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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Meltdown99 said:
    PJNB said:
    rgambs said:
    PJNB said:
    I think its obvious kids can spread the virus therefore schools can be mega spreaders especially the schools that do not have strong guidelines in place to restrict the spread. I would be surprised if one person on this site would disagree with that statement.


    With regards to community sports I think practices and drills should be allowed still. We can tailor certain activities towards the kids to allow them to stay active as well as do it in a safe manner. 
    That's the biggest risk period.  Locker rooms, shared equipment, heavy breathing...forget about it.  I'm sick of hearing about the "mental health" and how much kids are suffering and missing out on...wars, famine, depression, other pandemics...
    We are so spoiled, as a civilization, that we can't tell the difference anymore between what's ideal and what's necessary.  It's pathetic.
    Sorry, not sorry, quit your whining and bitching, grow a pair, and realize it's all privilege, not necessity.  
    There are no locker rooms. You come prepared to play and with a mask on and no contact allowed with other players. Who shares equipment that could spread coronavirus? What sports are we talking about here? Hey bud can I borrow your mouthguard I forgot mine! 

    You need to chill out with your whining and bitching comments too. Learn to have a discussion with someone that has a difference of opinion than you with out the emotions then maybe we can continue to have an adult conversation here. 
    Lol.  Basketball 🏀 and volleyball  (they share the ball).  Hockey 🥅 is a contact sport as is football...

    In Canada those are 3 of the most popular sports that students play in winter...give us a solution.  There are none.

    you sounds like our useless PM.  You can’t have your cake and eat it as well.  This virus is going no where.  North America has no leadership anymore...

    5 million people have entered Canada since this pandemic started with no order to quarantine.
     
    And you expect these same politicians to allow sports go ahead safely.  It will not happen.
     

    Well, about 5 million entries, not 5 million different people. The vast majority of those are essential workers like cross border health care workers, truck drivers, air crews and the like, the same people going back and forth. I don't see any alternative to letting truckers come in with goods, honestly, and there's no way that we'd get any deliveries if the drivers had to quarantine for 14 days every time. 
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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    edited November 2020
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    PJNB said:
    rgambs said:
    PJNB said:
    I think its obvious kids can spread the virus therefore schools can be mega spreaders especially the schools that do not have strong guidelines in place to restrict the spread. I would be surprised if one person on this site would disagree with that statement.


    With regards to community sports I think practices and drills should be allowed still. We can tailor certain activities towards the kids to allow them to stay active as well as do it in a safe manner. 
    That's the biggest risk period.  Locker rooms, shared equipment, heavy breathing...forget about it.  I'm sick of hearing about the "mental health" and how much kids are suffering and missing out on...wars, famine, depression, other pandemics...
    We are so spoiled, as a civilization, that we can't tell the difference anymore between what's ideal and what's necessary.  It's pathetic.
    Sorry, not sorry, quit your whining and bitching, grow a pair, and realize it's all privilege, not necessity.  
    There are no locker rooms. You come prepared to play and with a mask on and no contact allowed with other players. Who shares equipment that could spread coronavirus? What sports are we talking about here? Hey bud can I borrow your mouthguard I forgot mine! 

    You need to chill out with your whining and bitching comments too. Learn to have a discussion with someone that has a difference of opinion than you with out the emotions then maybe we can continue to have an adult conversation here. 
    Lol.  Basketball 🏀 and volleyball  (they share the ball).  Hockey 🥅 is a contact sport as is football...

    In Canada those are 3 of the most popular sports that students play in winter...give us a solution.  There are none.

    you sounds like our useless PM.  You can’t have your cake and eat it as well.  This virus is going no where.  North America has no leadership anymore...

    5 million people have entered Canada since this pandemic started with no order to quarantine.
     
    And you expect these same politicians to allow sports go ahead safely.  It will not happen.
     

    Solutions:
    -In basketball, players must  sanitize the ball before passing to another player.
    -No sucking on the hockey puck.
    -In baseball, all players must wear gloves on both hands.
    -Same in football for anyone handling the ball.  Kickers must wear shoes. 
    But sucking on the hockey puck is a tradition up here! 
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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,108
    Cant these things stop for  a while  to slow it all down? whats the real harm honestly if you have to call off some  pastimes?


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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    edited November 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    Except for the ball/puck kids don’t share equipment.  My son participated in fall baseball and it went off without a hitch.   Now something like wrestling or ice hockey is definitely cause for concern.  But yes, kids absolutely need sports and to many it is a necessity because it is such a big part of their life.  I just passed a varsity football game in town, limited to 150 fans on each side, temp checks, change the football every so many downs.  Again is their risk, absolutely but I don’t feel sports should be shut down.  
    And again it comes down to personal choice.  You don’t want your kid participating in sports then keep them out.  You don’t want to go eat indoors then don’t go.  To each their own.  
    I will be sure to send a memo to the starving kids in Darfur and the migrants on sinking boats in the Mediterranean that they NEED to get some sports going, right away.  

    With statements like this second one, you don't show an appreciation or understanding of virology, how a pandemic works, or even really how a society functions.
    This is literally exactly, verbatim, what the dumbest, craziest, Michigan State House protesting Trumpers say every day.
    Post edited by rgambs on
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,238
    rgambs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Except for the ball/puck kids don’t share equipment.  My son participated in fall baseball and it went off without a hitch.   Now something like wrestling or ice hockey is definitely cause for concern.  But yes, kids absolutely need sports and to many it is a necessity because it is such a big part of their life.  I just passed a varsity football game in town, limited to 150 fans on each side, temp checks, change the football every so many downs.  Again is their risk, absolutely but I don’t feel sports should be shut down.  
    And again it comes down to personal choice.  You don’t want your kid participating in sports then keep them out.  You don’t want to go eat indoors then don’t go.  To each their own.  
    I will be sure to send a memo to the starving kids in Darfur and the migrants on sinking boats in the Mediterranean that they NEED to get some sports going, right away.  

    With statements like this, you don't seem to understand virology, how a pandemic works, or even really how a society functions.
    This is literally exactly, verbatim, what the dumbest, craziest, Michigan State House protesting Trumpers say every day.
    Holy dramatic.  You need to settle the hell down. I don’t know who pissed in your Cheerios but it wasn’t me so no need to throw personal insults.  Go take a run or something and learn to have a discussion like an adult. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    mcgruff10 said:
    rgambs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Except for the ball/puck kids don’t share equipment.  My son participated in fall baseball and it went off without a hitch.   Now something like wrestling or ice hockey is definitely cause for concern.  But yes, kids absolutely need sports and to many it is a necessity because it is such a big part of their life.  I just passed a varsity football game in town, limited to 150 fans on each side, temp checks, change the football every so many downs.  Again is their risk, absolutely but I don’t feel sports should be shut down.  
    And again it comes down to personal choice.  You don’t want your kid participating in sports then keep them out.  You don’t want to go eat indoors then don’t go.  To each their own.  
    I will be sure to send a memo to the starving kids in Darfur and the migrants on sinking boats in the Mediterranean that they NEED to get some sports going, right away.  

    With statements like this, you don't seem to understand virology, how a pandemic works, or even really how a society functions.
    This is literally exactly, verbatim, what the dumbest, craziest, Michigan State House protesting Trumpers say every day.
    Holy dramatic.  You need to settle the hell down. I don’t know who pissed in your Cheerios but it wasn’t me so no need to throw personal insults.  Go take a run or something and learn to have a discussion like an adult. 
    People are dying.  Hospitals are foundering.  The whole system is on the verge of tipping into an unprecedented disaster. 
    It's the adults in the room that are facing the hard choices, not prevaricating and mincing.  

    Sports are not a necessity, period.  The very definition of the word precludes it.  
    The second bolded portion is literally what I see on Facebook every day, and I mean literally in the true sense, from the worst of the worst.  It is a statement that completely ignores the nature of pandemic spread and how it jumps from people who don't take precautions to people who take every precaution they can.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Don't take it too personally.  No, you didn't piss in my Cheerios personally, either, but things are bad here.  Things are nearing disaster in so many places, so many people are hurting so bad...it's time for people to get serious for a minute. 
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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    rgambs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    rgambs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Except for the ball/puck kids don’t share equipment.  My son participated in fall baseball and it went off without a hitch.   Now something like wrestling or ice hockey is definitely cause for concern.  But yes, kids absolutely need sports and to many it is a necessity because it is such a big part of their life.  I just passed a varsity football game in town, limited to 150 fans on each side, temp checks, change the football every so many downs.  Again is their risk, absolutely but I don’t feel sports should be shut down.  
    And again it comes down to personal choice.  You don’t want your kid participating in sports then keep them out.  You don’t want to go eat indoors then don’t go.  To each their own.  
    I will be sure to send a memo to the starving kids in Darfur and the migrants on sinking boats in the Mediterranean that they NEED to get some sports going, right away.  

    With statements like this, you don't seem to understand virology, how a pandemic works, or even really how a society functions.
    This is literally exactly, verbatim, what the dumbest, craziest, Michigan State House protesting Trumpers say every day.
    Holy dramatic.  You need to settle the hell down. I don’t know who pissed in your Cheerios but it wasn’t me so no need to throw personal insults.  Go take a run or something and learn to have a discussion like an adult. 
    People are dying.  Hospitals are foundering.  The whole system is on the verge of tipping into an unprecedented disaster. 
    It's the adults in the room that are facing the hard choices, not prevaricating and mincing.  

    Sports are not a necessity, period.  The very definition of the word precludes it.  
    The second bolded portion is literally what I see on Facebook every day, and I mean literally in the true sense, from the worst of the worst.  It is a statement that completely ignores the nature of pandemic spread and how it jumps from people who don't take precautions to people who take every precaution they can.
    You are acting like he is saying that things should be normal in the sports world like the trumpsters are though. To compare to that measure is inaccurate and a huge insult and you know it. No we do not need sports. We do not need a lot of things. If we can do them safely however the benefit greatly outweighs the risks imo. We are going to be 1 year into this in a couple of months. We know a lot more now than we did back then. I was for the shutting down of everything back then. Now if we can do things that have been proven safe we should be able to do them period. 
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJNB said:
    rgambs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    rgambs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Except for the ball/puck kids don’t share equipment.  My son participated in fall baseball and it went off without a hitch.   Now something like wrestling or ice hockey is definitely cause for concern.  But yes, kids absolutely need sports and to many it is a necessity because it is such a big part of their life.  I just passed a varsity football game in town, limited to 150 fans on each side, temp checks, change the football every so many downs.  Again is their risk, absolutely but I don’t feel sports should be shut down.  
    And again it comes down to personal choice.  You don’t want your kid participating in sports then keep them out.  You don’t want to go eat indoors then don’t go.  To each their own.  
    I will be sure to send a memo to the starving kids in Darfur and the migrants on sinking boats in the Mediterranean that they NEED to get some sports going, right away.  

    With statements like this, you don't seem to understand virology, how a pandemic works, or even really how a society functions.
    This is literally exactly, verbatim, what the dumbest, craziest, Michigan State House protesting Trumpers say every day.
    Holy dramatic.  You need to settle the hell down. I don’t know who pissed in your Cheerios but it wasn’t me so no need to throw personal insults.  Go take a run or something and learn to have a discussion like an adult. 
    People are dying.  Hospitals are foundering.  The whole system is on the verge of tipping into an unprecedented disaster. 
    It's the adults in the room that are facing the hard choices, not prevaricating and mincing.  

    Sports are not a necessity, period.  The very definition of the word precludes it.  
    The second bolded portion is literally what I see on Facebook every day, and I mean literally in the true sense, from the worst of the worst.  It is a statement that completely ignores the nature of pandemic spread and how it jumps from people who don't take precautions to people who take every precaution they can.
    You are acting like he is saying that things should be normal in the sports world like the trumpsters are though. To compare to that measure is inaccurate and a huge insult and you know it. No we do not need sports. We do not need a lot of things. If we can do them safely however the benefit greatly outweighs the risks imo. We are going to be 1 year into this in a couple of months. We know a lot more now than we did back then. I was for the shutting down of everything back then. Now if we can do things that have been proven safe we should be able to do them period. 
    The problem is that the things in question have not been proven safe, they absolutely have not been proven safe.  Anecdotal data from seriously biased sources is the only backing.  
    Necessity should be the first concern, not safety.  If it isn't necessary, the safety is irrelevant, it needs to be tossed.  That's the only way to truly prioritize and create safety for the things that ARE necessity.  
    It's an insult to front line health workers to put them at increased risk of contracting coronavirus because some people think life just can't go on without 7th grade basketball.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,238
    rgambs said:
    Don't take it too personally.  No, you didn't piss in my Cheerios personally, either, but things are bad here.  Things are nearing disaster in so many places, so many people are hurting so bad...it's time for people to get serious for a minute. 
    Dude I get it.  We had 4,679 positive cases reported today.  Nj has been in the crosshairs since March and from that experience I think we have learned how to safely live life as safely as possible.  Our Governor really has done a great job so when I see it working here in the most densely populated state I truly believe it could work in other areas of the country. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    mcgruff10 said:
    rgambs said:
    Don't take it too personally.  No, you didn't piss in my Cheerios personally, either, but things are bad here.  Things are nearing disaster in so many places, so many people are hurting so bad...it's time for people to get serious for a minute. 
    Dude I get it.  We had 4,679 positive cases reported today.  Nj has been in the crosshairs since March and from that experience I think we have learned how to safely live life as safely as possible.  Our Governor really has done a great job so when I see it working here in the most densely populated state I truly believe it could work in other areas of the country. 
    Well, we had 8,800 yesterday, and it's because of people who use the se arguments and justifications as you...now, the fact is, most of them are half as smart and half half as much class as you, so they botch it up in all the ways that you don't.  But it's still super frustrating that the arguments that leave the doors open for things like sports and congregating leave the doors open not just for you, but for the (literal) toothless moron that walks in behind you as well.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,815
    PJNB said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    PJNB said:
    rgambs said:
    PJNB said:
    I think its obvious kids can spread the virus therefore schools can be mega spreaders especially the schools that do not have strong guidelines in place to restrict the spread. I would be surprised if one person on this site would disagree with that statement.


    With regards to community sports I think practices and drills should be allowed still. We can tailor certain activities towards the kids to allow them to stay active as well as do it in a safe manner. 
    That's the biggest risk period.  Locker rooms, shared equipment, heavy breathing...forget about it.  I'm sick of hearing about the "mental health" and how much kids are suffering and missing out on...wars, famine, depression, other pandemics...
    We are so spoiled, as a civilization, that we can't tell the difference anymore between what's ideal and what's necessary.  It's pathetic.
    Sorry, not sorry, quit your whining and bitching, grow a pair, and realize it's all privilege, not necessity.  
    There are no locker rooms. You come prepared to play and with a mask on and no contact allowed with other players. Who shares equipment that could spread coronavirus? What sports are we talking about here? Hey bud can I borrow your mouthguard I forgot mine! 

    You need to chill out with your whining and bitching comments too. Learn to have a discussion with someone that has a difference of opinion than you with out the emotions then maybe we can continue to have an adult conversation here. 
    Lol.  Basketball 🏀 and volleyball  (they share the ball).  Hockey 🥅 is a contact sport as is football...

    In Canada those are 3 of the most popular sports that students play in winter...give us a solution.  There are none.

    you sounds like our useless PM.  You can’t have your cake and eat it as well.  This virus is going no where.  North America has no leadership anymore...

    5 million people have entered Canada since this pandemic started with no order to quarantine.
     
    And you expect these same politicians to allow sports go ahead safely.  It will not happen.
     

    Solutions:
    -In basketball, players must  sanitize the ball before passing to another player.
    -No sucking on the hockey puck.
    -In baseball, all players must wear gloves on both hands.
    -Same in football for anyone handling the ball.  Kickers must wear shoes. 
    But sucking on the hockey puck is a tradition up here! 

    :lol:
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  • elvistheking44
    elvistheking44 Posts: 4,553
    rgambs said:
    Don't take it too personally.  No, you didn't piss in my Cheerios personally, either, but things are bad here.  Things are nearing disaster in so many places, so many people are hurting so bad...it's time for people to get serious for a minute. 
    Mental health is very serious for some teens. The physical aspect of sport is crucial to some. Some of these kids have played sport as their outlet for their entire life. Shutting it completely off is damaging their mental health in ways we’ve never seen. Is it as deadly as starving kids in far away lands, no. But to say it’s a pointless and unnecessary thing for kids is far from the truth.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,977
    rgambs said:
    Sorry, but you guys are believing what you want to believe.  
    Yeah specific data on specific schools where you are pretending to know everything based off of what exactly?
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    cincybearcat said:
    rgambs said:
    Sorry, but you guys are believing what you want to believe.  
    Yeah specific data on specific schools where you are pretending to know everything based off of what exactly?
     Based off a different definition for what constitutes "data" lol
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,977
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I was definitely nervous about going into work in September but I got used to it and now when I go in I know what I need to do to be safe.  Like anything else in life there is definitely risk but the lack of cases in our district (and we have a huge ass district) shows we are doing something right.  
    I don't get why people are upset that so far your district has been a success. That somehow it's dangerous or a belief. 

    It's a head scratcher.

    Personally, I'm very happy for you gruff.
    Me too.

    and I don’t get all these leaps. I’m just happy the the thought and protocols in my local schools is doing a damn good job. I’m proud of the people in the school system and the kids in class. I was concerned. I think the high school is not as good as the Middle school. And I can’t believe some of the extra curricular activities continue to happen.

    im also very happy that the protocols I put in place at my work place have given us a good shot at minimizing impact. I don’t think anything is free of risk. But I’m happy that some basic, easy thing really do seem to help a great deal if adhered to. 

    Seeing the neighborhood parties and crap pisses me the hell off and puts all the other things at risk. But the protocols when implement (and you have the $ for barriers, etc), certainly help reduce risk. 

    I’m not sure why schools and workplace doing well seems to piss off some people.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,977
    rgambs said:
    cincybearcat said:
    rgambs said:
    Sorry, but you guys are believing what you want to believe.  
    Yeah specific data on specific schools where you are pretending to know everything based off of what exactly?
     Based off a different definition for what constitutes "data" lol
    I get data directly from the school every week...you think they are lying or hiding things.

    I get data at work daily. You must think that they are lying too.

    yes you are basing your belief on my school system and workplace off of NO data. 
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  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    I’m gonna try to make you all laugh for a minute...so I’m on another site discussing the virus with a trumpster who won’t wear a mask...so I questioned if he should be permitted medical attention if he gets covid being that he believes it’s fake.  Here is is pleasant response,

     “this one's for you Cee You Next Tuesday anywhere you want, YOU DIRTY, SLUTYY C3?T

    Hope you found this amusing because I did. They are soooo mad right now! 

    Oh well carry on and please be nice to each other! 

  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    cincybearcat said:
    rgambs said:
    cincybearcat said:
    rgambs said:
    Sorry, but you guys are believing what you want to believe.  
    Yeah specific data on specific schools where you are pretending to know everything based off of what exactly?
     Based off a different definition for what constitutes "data" lol
    I get data directly from the school every week...you think they are lying or hiding things.

    I get data at work daily. You must think that they are lying too.

    yes you are basing your belief on my school system and workplace off of NO data. 
    I don't think they are liars, I don't think they have bad intentions.  I do think they are eager to believe that things are going well, but that's not the problem.  The problem is that the "data" they rely on is all based off self-reporting and trusting the veracity of the information gathered in contact tracing.  Don't get me wrong, it's absolutely something that has to be done, and it's the best option at our disposal right now, but it's ridiculously fraught with problems.  I personally know of people who have given their kids fever reducers and sent their kids to to school sick.  Families will illnesses that are hidden as best as possible is a regular occurrence.  The overt spread is only being tracked by the people conscientious or ill enough to get tests and self-report illness.  It's just not an effective enough system to justify the confidence people are having.  Again, i'm not saying that everyone should be remote because the risk never outweighs the benefit, but we shouldn't be pretending to certainty on the level of risk when we don't have truly reliable data.
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  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,965
    elvistheking44 said:
    rgambs said:
    Don't take it too personally.  No, you didn't piss in my Cheerios personally, either, but things are bad here.  Things are nearing disaster in so many places, so many people are hurting so bad...it's time for people to get serious for a minute. 
    Mental health is very serious for some teens. The physical aspect of sport is crucial to some. Some of these kids have played sport as their outlet for their entire life. Shutting it completely off is damaging their mental health in ways we’ve never seen. Is it as deadly as starving kids in far away lands, no. But to say it’s a pointless and unnecessary thing for kids is far from the truth.

    Agree whole-heartedly with this post.
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