The coronavirus

I was definitely nervous about going into work in September but I got used to it and now when I go in I know what I need to do to be safe.  Like anything else in life there is definitely risk but the lack of cases in our district (and we have a huge ass district) shows we are doing something right.  

I have never been upset that people are staying healthy, alive, learning in school, or at home. I don't understand why people keep accusing me of that. At one point I even directly said, "I wish you continued success," and before I was told to F off by one poster, he accused me of being disingenuous, and now here we go again.

We are having a discussion about data. About science. All the science lovers on here should know that the data being reported from schools is, for lack of a better word, corrupt because every state, and in some states, every district, is collecting and reporting data differently, if they are even collecting it at all. Every school in America is implementing safety procedures differently. This is not how science is done. I guess I'm a fool for expecting that we have a unified, data driven approach to making decisions and judgments about the safety of in-person learning. In the absence of that, all we have are thoughts and prayers. 

That was my point in the beginning. That is my point now. It's a head scratcher to me that people don't understand my point. 

F Me In The Brain said:

How many NFL or NCAA games are allowing fans in the stands this weekend?
(I don't know the answer but know a bunch are.  This is needless.)

I cant believe people  want to go to any gatherings.  Madness

lastexitlondon said:

F Me In The Brain said:

How many NFL or NCAA games are allowing fans in the stands this weekend?
(I don't know the answer but know a bunch are.  This is needless.)

I cant believe people  want to go to any gatherings.  Madness

https://youtu.be/DeY_NCp1rGo

23scidoo said:

lastexitlondon said:

F Me In The Brain said:

How many NFL or NCAA games are allowing fans in the stands this weekend?
(I don't know the answer but know a bunch are.  This is needless.)

I cant believe people  want to go to any gatherings.  Madness

https://youtu.be/DeY_NCp1rGo

What is happening here

PJNB said:

I think its obvious kids can spread the virus therefore schools can be mega spreaders especially the schools that do not have strong guidelines in place to restrict the spread. I would be surprised if one person on this site would disagree with that statement.


With regards to community sports I think practices and drills should be allowed still. We can tailor certain activities towards the kids to allow them to stay active as well as do it in a safe manner. 

I work in facility services for a school board.  I agree, schools can be super spreaders.  We have an entire school on quarantine for 14 days.

I do not think many really understand how schools systems work and how staffing works...

School boards rely on replacement employees when regular employees are off.  Most of these school boards pay replacement employee at lower wage than regular employees (I make $7.00/hour less per hour, no benefits and no sick time)...there are currently 60 of us replacement employees...now if we experience symptoms the right thing to do is stay home...I know I would.  But I am under no allusion, many of my replacement colleagues need the pay and cannot afford to be off and I suspect many would show up if the symptoms are mild.  Is that there fault or poor leader from our premier.  In my opinion, the province should be demanding that the school boards extend those benefits to all employees and to suspend any disciplinary measures against replacement employees who stay home because of potential COVID illness.  

And with winter coming on many of us will get colds, sore throats, the flu and winter fatigue.  

what dreams said:

I have never been upset that people are staying healthy, alive, learning in school, or at home. I don't understand why people keep accusing me of that. At one point I even directly said, "I wish you continued success," and before I was told to F off by one poster, he accused me of being disingenuous, and now here we go again.

We are having a discussion about data. About science. All the science lovers on here should know that the data being reported from schools is, for lack of a better word, corrupt because every state, and in some states, every district, is collecting and reporting data differently, if they are even collecting it at all. Every school in America is implementing safety procedures differently. This is not how science is done. I guess I'm a fool for expecting that we have a unified, data driven approach to making decisions and judgments about the safety of in-person learning. In the absence of that, all we have are thoughts and prayers. 

That was my point in the beginning. That is my point now. It's a head scratcher to me that people don't understand my point. 

what I find interesting is you claim there is no data, yet you and gambs seem to "know" something we don't. all I'm going by is the evidence I have in front of me: no evidence of major spread in the school system in the city where I live. that's all. 

maybe you're right and there is massive spread in the schools and we just don't know about it because all the kids are magically asymptomatic and none of them are spreading it to their families at home. that would be, well, somewhat statistically highly improbable. 

rgambs said:

PJNB said:

I think its obvious kids can spread the virus therefore schools can be mega spreaders especially the schools that do not have strong guidelines in place to restrict the spread. I would be surprised if one person on this site would disagree with that statement.


With regards to community sports I think practices and drills should be allowed still. We can tailor certain activities towards the kids to allow them to stay active as well as do it in a safe manner. 

That's the biggest risk period.  Locker rooms, shared equipment, heavy breathing...forget about it.  I'm sick of hearing about the "mental health" and how much kids are suffering and missing out on...wars, famine, depression, other pandemics...
We are so spoiled, as a civilization, that we can't tell the difference anymore between what's ideal and what's necessary.  It's pathetic.
Sorry, not sorry, quit your whining and bitching, grow a pair, and realize it's all privilege, not necessity.  

There are no locker rooms. You come prepared to play and with a mask on and no contact allowed with other players. Who shares equipment that could spread coronavirus? What sports are we talking about here? Hey bud can I borrow your mouthguard I forgot mine! 

You need to chill out with your whining and bitching comments too. Learn to have a discussion with someone that has a difference of opinion than you with out the emotions then maybe we can continue to have an adult conversation here. 

PJNB said:

rgambs said:

PJNB said:

I think its obvious kids can spread the virus therefore schools can be mega spreaders especially the schools that do not have strong guidelines in place to restrict the spread. I would be surprised if one person on this site would disagree with that statement.


With regards to community sports I think practices and drills should be allowed still. We can tailor certain activities towards the kids to allow them to stay active as well as do it in a safe manner. 

That's the biggest risk period.  Locker rooms, shared equipment, heavy breathing...forget about it.  I'm sick of hearing about the "mental health" and how much kids are suffering and missing out on...wars, famine, depression, other pandemics...
We are so spoiled, as a civilization, that we can't tell the difference anymore between what's ideal and what's necessary.  It's pathetic.
Sorry, not sorry, quit your whining and bitching, grow a pair, and realize it's all privilege, not necessity.  

There are no locker rooms. You come prepared to play and with a mask on and no contact allowed with other players. Who shares equipment that could spread coronavirus? What sports are we talking about here? Hey bud can I borrow your mouthguard I forgot mine! 

You need to chill out with your whining and bitching comments too. Learn to have a discussion with someone that has a difference of opinion than you with out the emotions then maybe we can continue to have an adult conversation here. 

Lol.  Basketball 🏀 and volleyball  (they share the ball).  Hockey 🥅 is a contact sport as is football...

In Canada those are 3 of the most popular sports that students play in winter...give us a solution.  There are none.

you sounds like our useless PM.  You can’t have your cake and eat it as well.  This virus is going no where.  North America has no leadership anymore...

5 million people have entered Canada since this pandemic started with no order to quarantine.
 

Meltdown99 said:

PJNB said:

rgambs said:

PJNB said:

I think its obvious kids can spread the virus therefore schools can be mega spreaders especially the schools that do not have strong guidelines in place to restrict the spread. I would be surprised if one person on this site would disagree with that statement.


With regards to community sports I think practices and drills should be allowed still. We can tailor certain activities towards the kids to allow them to stay active as well as do it in a safe manner. 

That's the biggest risk period.  Locker rooms, shared equipment, heavy breathing...forget about it.  I'm sick of hearing about the "mental health" and how much kids are suffering and missing out on...wars, famine, depression, other pandemics...
We are so spoiled, as a civilization, that we can't tell the difference anymore between what's ideal and what's necessary.  It's pathetic.
Sorry, not sorry, quit your whining and bitching, grow a pair, and realize it's all privilege, not necessity.  

There are no locker rooms. You come prepared to play and with a mask on and no contact allowed with other players. Who shares equipment that could spread coronavirus? What sports are we talking about here? Hey bud can I borrow your mouthguard I forgot mine! 

You need to chill out with your whining and bitching comments too. Learn to have a discussion with someone that has a difference of opinion than you with out the emotions then maybe we can continue to have an adult conversation here. 

Lol.  Basketball 🏀 and volleyball  (they share the ball).  Hockey 🥅 is a contact sport as is football...

In Canada those are 3 of the most popular sports that students play in winter...give us a solution.  There are none.

you sounds like our useless PM.  You can’t have your cake and eat it as well.  This virus is going no where.  North America has no leadership anymore...

5 million people have entered Canada since this pandemic started with no order to quarantine.
 

And you expect these same politicians to allow sports go ahead safely.  It will not happen.
 

Sports in my province is practice only as of yesterday and though we are going to blow up a lot here in the next couple of weeks still doing miles better than other provinces. This is mostly due to density of our population. 

With regards to Basketball and Hockey there are plenty of drills that can be done that can limit the chances of spreading covid. Are basketball players going to be doing 1 on 1 drills where the defender is leaning in and trying to steal the ball from them? No they should not be. There are plenty of shooting drills and running drills that still can be done. Hockey is even easier to allow practices since there is no hands on with the puck and you can have no contact drills to limit the distance from the defence/forward. Volleyball would be a no go for me if it was my kids practices or not. There is no way to do that safely imo and still maintain a decent argument that it is worth anyones time. 

All I am saying is there are ways to do this safely instead of cutting it out completely. Maybe I am just looking at what is going on in my province and not the rest of the world but safe practices make sense to me to keep people active.