The coronavirus

Meltdown99 said:

https://twitter.com/kinsellawarren/status/1329983389445844992

Hope you are stocked up on ass wipe...

rgambs said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

who said it was proven the virus doesn't spread in schools? all I've seen is anecdotal evidence (mine included). 

Nobody did. 

Nobody said it was proven, but it was stated with extreme confidence that transmission wasn't occuring in school.  The point was that not having recorded cases of in school transmission is not the same as not having transmission. 
There are a ton of factors at play here and many, if not most, local health authorities are unable to conduct the contact tracing that would identify spread through asymptomatic, pre-symptomatic, and untruthful individuals.

The number of people who are quietly spreading and not getting tested is terrifying...people don't want the attention of a positive test and notifying people they've been in contact with and more than that, people don't want to quarantine when they didn't get very ill.  Double that for teens in sports and their parents.

If I had a nickel for everyone in my community who tested positive but "always wore a mask and was not in close contact with anyone outside the home"...I'd have a nice little fortune. 

No people were just stating current situations in the schools they knew. Takes some mental gymnastics to assume that means transmission doesn’t happen in schools

cincybearcat said:

rgambs said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

who said it was proven the virus doesn't spread in schools? all I've seen is anecdotal evidence (mine included). 

Nobody did. 

Nobody said it was proven, but it was stated with extreme confidence that transmission wasn't occuring in school.  The point was that not having recorded cases of in school transmission is not the same as not having transmission. 
There are a ton of factors at play here and many, if not most, local health authorities are unable to conduct the contact tracing that would identify spread through asymptomatic, pre-symptomatic, and untruthful individuals.

The number of people who are quietly spreading and not getting tested is terrifying...people don't want the attention of a positive test and notifying people they've been in contact with and more than that, people don't want to quarantine when they didn't get very ill.  Double that for teens in sports and their parents.

If I had a nickel for everyone in my community who tested positive but "always wore a mask and was not in close contact with anyone outside the home"...I'd have a nice little fortune. 

No people were just stating current situations in the schools they knew. Takes some mental gymnastics to assume that means transmission doesn’t happen in schools

No, it doesn't.  That was the implication...the ever insidious, "maybe happens somewhere else but not here" syndrome.
That being said, I do think some districts are probably doing much better than others due to intelligent and conscientious populations, and I'm inclined to believe Canadians fit that condition more readily than Americans.

what dreams said:

rgambs said:

cincybearcat said:

rgambs said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

who said it was proven the virus doesn't spread in schools? all I've seen is anecdotal evidence (mine included). 

Nobody did. 

Nobody said it was proven, but it was stated with extreme confidence that transmission wasn't occuring in school.  The point was that not having recorded cases of in school transmission is not the same as not having transmission. 
There are a ton of factors at play here and many, if not most, local health authorities are unable to conduct the contact tracing that would identify spread through asymptomatic, pre-symptomatic, and untruthful individuals.

The number of people who are quietly spreading and not getting tested is terrifying...people don't want the attention of a positive test and notifying people they've been in contact with and more than that, people don't want to quarantine when they didn't get very ill.  Double that for teens in sports and their parents.

If I had a nickel for everyone in my community who tested positive but "always wore a mask and was not in close contact with anyone outside the home"...I'd have a nice little fortune. 

No people were just stating current situations in the schools they knew. Takes some mental gymnastics to assume that means transmission doesn’t happen in schools

No, it doesn't.  That was the implication...the ever insidious, "maybe happens somewhere else but not here" syndrome.
That being said, I do think some districts are probably doing much better than others due to intelligent and conscientious populations, and I'm inclined to believe Canadians fit that condition more readily than Americans.

I'm inclined to think small, affluent, predominantly white districts are doing much better. 

Yes, I would agree.  I also think that they are having higher levels of undetected spread than they are willing to accept and admit, as well.

Meltdown99 said:

https://twitter.com/kinsellawarren/status/1329983389445844992

Hope you are stocked up on ass wipe...

yeah. they havent left the White House yet.

I was super skeptical about sending our kids back to school. I thought it would be a disaster, but as I stated before, we really had no choice with our oldest son. 

I've been blown away at how well the precautions that the schools have taken have worked so far. They are doing a phenomenal job in a very stressful circumstance. The virus is everywhere in my community, but mostly because of adults not listening to the experts and taking unnecessary risks. That's not what is happening in the schools here, they are taking the necessary precautions. I've seen it myself and the proof is in the numbers and limited spread within schools here.

Kids are getting the virus, but in almost all cases here they get it from home and take it to school, where it doesn't continue to spread because of the rules they have in place.

dignin said:

I was super skeptical about sending our kids back to school. I thought it would be a disaster, but as I stated before, we really had no choice with our oldest son. 

I've been blown away at how well the precautions that the schools have taken have worked so far. They are doing a phenomenal job in a very stressful circumstance. The virus is everywhere in my community, but mostly because of adults not listening to the experts and taking unnecessary risks. That's not what is happening in the schools here, they are taking the necessary precautions. I've seen it myself and the proof is in the numbers and limited spread within schools here.

Kids are getting the virus, but in almost all cases here they get it from home and take it to school, where it doesn't continue to spread because of the rules they have in place.

Bingo.  I don’t know about other states but nj gave the option of sending your kid to school or keep them home and learn virtually. If you want to keep your kid home then by all means do it.  To each their own.  

dignin said:

rgambs said:

what dreams said:

rgambs said:

cincybearcat said:

rgambs said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

who said it was proven the virus doesn't spread in schools? all I've seen is anecdotal evidence (mine included). 

Nobody did. 

Nobody said it was proven, but it was stated with extreme confidence that transmission wasn't occuring in school.  The point was that not having recorded cases of in school transmission is not the same as not having transmission. 
There are a ton of factors at play here and many, if not most, local health authorities are unable to conduct the contact tracing that would identify spread through asymptomatic, pre-symptomatic, and untruthful individuals.

The number of people who are quietly spreading and not getting tested is terrifying...people don't want the attention of a positive test and notifying people they've been in contact with and more than that, people don't want to quarantine when they didn't get very ill.  Double that for teens in sports and their parents.

If I had a nickel for everyone in my community who tested positive but "always wore a mask and was not in close contact with anyone outside the home"...I'd have a nice little fortune. 

No people were just stating current situations in the schools they knew. Takes some mental gymnastics to assume that means transmission doesn’t happen in schools

No, it doesn't.  That was the implication...the ever insidious, "maybe happens somewhere else but not here" syndrome.
That being said, I do think some districts are probably doing much better than others due to intelligent and conscientious populations, and I'm inclined to believe Canadians fit that condition more readily than Americans.

I'm inclined to think small, affluent, predominantly white districts are doing much better. 

Yes, I would agree.  I also think that they are having higher levels of undetected spread than they are willing to accept and admit, as well.

So you guys pondering about what you think may be happening is better than us sharing stories of what is actually happening in our communities. 

You guys may want to rethink this.

Much research has been documented about the health disparities between affluent white communities and low income communities of color. It doesn't take "mental gymnastics" to extrapolate that the data would extend to schools in those communities.

This is a far cry from saying "It's being proven that it can be done safely" when there is no reliably collected and reported evidence across the nation regarding school exposure. There are no consistent "safety" procedures in schools across America. There is practically no widespread testing of children in schools across America to see which are asympomatic carriers and spreaders. The research in schools does not exist. We cannot compare one district to another when school superintendents and principals have been left on their own to decide what constitutes an "outbreak" or how to report (or not report) cases in their communities. As with everything else about this virus, there is no national strategy. While we are in the middle of it, there is no way to know anything.

Talk to me in ten or twenty years about the school data when people have had years to study it and make sense of what is clearly a fucking national disaster. Right now, I will stand by my claim that it's all conjecture. At least I'm willing to openly admit that.

rgambs said:

To be clear, I'm not arguing that all schools are equal on the issue of transmission, that they are all super spreading, or that all schools should be fully remote...I'm just stating the obvious, which is that the idea of "zero spread" is, frankly, ridiculous.

Has anyone argued that there is zero spread?

what dreams said:

dignin said:

rgambs said:

what dreams said:

rgambs said:

cincybearcat said:

rgambs said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

who said it was proven the virus doesn't spread in schools? all I've seen is anecdotal evidence (mine included). 

Nobody did. 

Nobody said it was proven, but it was stated with extreme confidence that transmission wasn't occuring in school.  The point was that not having recorded cases of in school transmission is not the same as not having transmission. 
There are a ton of factors at play here and many, if not most, local health authorities are unable to conduct the contact tracing that would identify spread through asymptomatic, pre-symptomatic, and untruthful individuals.

The number of people who are quietly spreading and not getting tested is terrifying...people don't want the attention of a positive test and notifying people they've been in contact with and more than that, people don't want to quarantine when they didn't get very ill.  Double that for teens in sports and their parents.

If I had a nickel for everyone in my community who tested positive but "always wore a mask and was not in close contact with anyone outside the home"...I'd have a nice little fortune. 

No people were just stating current situations in the schools they knew. Takes some mental gymnastics to assume that means transmission doesn’t happen in schools

No, it doesn't.  That was the implication...the ever insidious, "maybe happens somewhere else but not here" syndrome.
That being said, I do think some districts are probably doing much better than others due to intelligent and conscientious populations, and I'm inclined to believe Canadians fit that condition more readily than Americans.

I'm inclined to think small, affluent, predominantly white districts are doing much better. 

Yes, I would agree.  I also think that they are having higher levels of undetected spread than they are willing to accept and admit, as well.

So you guys pondering about what you think may be happening is better than us sharing stories of what is actually happening in our communities. 

You guys may want to rethink this.

Much research has been documented about the health disparities between affluent white communities and low income communities of color. It doesn't take "mental gymnastics" to extrapolate that the data would extend to schools in those communities.

This is a far cry from saying "It's being proven that it can be done safely" when there is no reliably collected and reported evidence across the nation regarding school exposure. There are no consistent "safety" procedures in schools across America. There is practically no widespread testing of children in schools across America to see which are asympomatic carriers and spreaders. The research in schools does not exist. We cannot compare one district to another when school superintendents and principals have been left on their own to decide what constitutes an "outbreak" or how to report (or not report) cases in their communities. As with everything else about this virus, there is no national strategy. While we are in the middle of it, there is no way to know anything.

Talk to me in ten or twenty years about the school data when people have had years to study it and make sense of what is clearly a fucking national disaster. Right now, I will stand by my claim that it's all conjecture. At least I'm willing to openly admit that.

The difference here is that some of us were initially challenged for saying it has worked in our communities. The implication being either we are lying or have no idea what we are talking about. 

Anyone involved in the schools here is prioritized for testing. Straight to the front of the line along with healthcare workers. There is no evidence that anyone is hiding anything.

Everyone's situation is different. If something is working in your community I say great, we should be happy for the places that can achieve some bit of normality. I see no reason to be upset with success stories.

That is about the only thing that is going right in my province. Our leadership has been terrible here. No mask mandate, the only province in Canada with none. We still have bars and churches open here, where major outbreaks have occurred, causing our provincial cases to skyrocket. I fear they will have to eventually close schools here because of that stupidity. That's where the problems are, not our schools.