marjen said:

bbiggs said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Wow, MN doing what should be done.  People gonna freak out.
The idea that people are traveling and mixing households for turkey day is crazy.  
Enjoy killing your relatives in the name of tradition.

I think this can be done safely if both households quarantine before getting together.  For people that are working outside of the house and interacting with several people every day, that's another story.  The idea of no one getting together with family under any circumstance is extreme in my opinion, assuming the pre-gathering quarantine takes place.  I'm not saying that you were suggesting this shouldn't happen under any circumstance, by the way.  Just adding my $.02 on the topic.

The only problem with this is a proper quarantine period is like 2 weeks. Is anyone really going to not leave their house for 2 weeks? Based on what is happening with the numbers I think its not likely. 
To try and take some precautions before finally cancelling our family thanksgiving I suggested everyone get tested Monday of next week then stay put for a couple of days and everyone in the family was either insulted or thought I was crazy. 

mace1229 said:

nicknyr15 said:

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

I am hugely unhappy with our California governor Newsom who, at the outset, was doing a very good job of leading us to be safe around the coronavirus but has now shown himself to by a hypocrite.  I had questioned Hedonist's earlier diatribe against Newsom, but she had it right.  It's really discouraging to see even some Democrat leaders dropping the ball on COVID like this.  Very disappointing.  This is the kind of thing that makes me suspicious of politicians in general.  Not that there aren't good ones, but they are hard to find these days.

https://www.sacbee.com/article247249454.html

Gavin Newsom’s executive powers under scrutiny as he copes with French Laundry mistake

I tend to not talk out of my ass 🙄

It’s about imagery. Even his “apology” was disingenuous. He says he should’ve gotten in his car and driven back home. I call bullshit. The governor of California drove all the way there, just him and his wife? No security to accompany him, let alone to vet the place and number of attendees? 

Yeah, I stand by my earlier assessment. He’s a useless POS liar. 

Almost as disingenuous as apologizing for “getting set up” at a hair salon. 

Lightfoot still has my favorite response of all. I'm on TV, I'm important and I care about my hygiene, so I need my hair cut.

bbiggs said:

mace1229 said:

nicknyr15 said:

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

I am hugely unhappy with our California governor Newsom who, at the outset, was doing a very good job of leading us to be safe around the coronavirus but has now shown himself to by a hypocrite.  I had questioned Hedonist's earlier diatribe against Newsom, but she had it right.  It's really discouraging to see even some Democrat leaders dropping the ball on COVID like this.  Very disappointing.  This is the kind of thing that makes me suspicious of politicians in general.  Not that there aren't good ones, but they are hard to find these days.

https://www.sacbee.com/article247249454.html

Gavin Newsom’s executive powers under scrutiny as he copes with French Laundry mistake

I tend to not talk out of my ass 🙄

It’s about imagery. Even his “apology” was disingenuous. He says he should’ve gotten in his car and driven back home. I call bullshit. The governor of California drove all the way there, just him and his wife? No security to accompany him, let alone to vet the place and number of attendees? 

Yeah, I stand by my earlier assessment. He’s a useless POS liar. 

Almost as disingenuous as apologizing for “getting set up” at a hair salon. 

Lightfoot still has my favorite response of all. I'm on TV, I'm important and I care about my hygiene, so I need my hair cut.

She has an even better one.  “They we’re going to gather whether I was there or not” when she was called out for bring in a group in the streets with zero social distancing.  I’m paraphrasing.  Speaking of Chicago, two iconic restaurants both announced they’re closing.  Lawrys and Morton’s.  Both have been staples since the 70’s.  Plenty more to come.  

bbiggs said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

new crazy restrictions in manitoba effective tomorrow. no one allowed in your house if they don't live there, with some exceptions (health care, child care, etc). stores only allowed to sell essentials. all other items are to be removed from shelves by saturday open. no outdoor gatherings of more than 5. ticket of $298 for not wearing a mask inside. 

I don’t get stores only selling essentials.  Does covid attach more to non essential items?

no, they just don't want anyone going to the store unless it is expressly for essentials. taking away non-essentials takes away many of the customers coming to get stuff they don't necessarily need at the moment.

cabela's worked around that restriction previously by starting to sell propane when they weren't before, because hey, everyone needs a new tent a bowie knife during a pandemic, right?

I'm definitely not a fan of those types of lockdowns.  I can go into home depot or costco with 200 people but I cant go into a little mom and pop store?  Dumb as hell (we did this in new jersey for a few months).  Mask up, wash hands and keep your distance.  

Bingo.  Simple.  And who defines “essential?”  Liquor stores that sell nothing but booze are essential but restaurants are closing by the dozen.  Makes perfect sense. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

bbiggs said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

new crazy restrictions in manitoba effective tomorrow. no one allowed in your house if they don't live there, with some exceptions (health care, child care, etc). stores only allowed to sell essentials. all other items are to be removed from shelves by saturday open. no outdoor gatherings of more than 5. ticket of $298 for not wearing a mask inside. 

I don’t get stores only selling essentials.  Does covid attach more to non essential items?

no, they just don't want anyone going to the store unless it is expressly for essentials. taking away non-essentials takes away many of the customers coming to get stuff they don't necessarily need at the moment.

cabela's worked around that restriction previously by starting to sell propane when they weren't before, because hey, everyone needs a new tent a bowie knife during a pandemic, right?

I'm definitely not a fan of those types of lockdowns.  I can go into home depot or costco with 200 people but I cant go into a little mom and pop store?  Dumb as hell (we did this in new jersey for a few months).  Mask up, wash hands and keep your distance.  

Bingo.  Simple.  And who defines “essential?”  Liquor stores that sell nothing but booze are essential but restaurants are closing by the dozen.  Makes perfect sense. 

Exactly.  What is essential to me might be non essential to you and vice versa.  

liquor is considered essential because you don't want addicts to start having health issues as a result of cutting them off. and that's exactly what the premier said. severe alcoholics would literally go into shock and start dropping dead.  i was actually impressed that he was point blank about it. 

not only that, you lock people in their homes, you can't also instill prohibition. they know the public wouldn't stand for it. there would be riots. like it or not, alcohol and drugs have become an essential part of our society. 

tbergs said:

bbiggs said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

new crazy restrictions in manitoba effective tomorrow. no one allowed in your house if they don't live there, with some exceptions (health care, child care, etc). stores only allowed to sell essentials. all other items are to be removed from shelves by saturday open. no outdoor gatherings of more than 5. ticket of $298 for not wearing a mask inside. 

I don’t get stores only selling essentials.  Does covid attach more to non essential items?

no, they just don't want anyone going to the store unless it is expressly for essentials. taking away non-essentials takes away many of the customers coming to get stuff they don't necessarily need at the moment.

cabela's worked around that restriction previously by starting to sell propane when they weren't before, because hey, everyone needs a new tent a bowie knife during a pandemic, right?

I'm definitely not a fan of those types of lockdowns.  I can go into home depot or costco with 200 people but I cant go into a little mom and pop store?  Dumb as hell (we did this in new jersey for a few months).  Mask up, wash hands and keep your distance.  

Bingo.  Simple.  And who defines “essential?”  Liquor stores that sell nothing but booze are essential but restaurants are closing by the dozen.  Makes perfect sense. 

It makes sense because you don't sit down and remain in the liquor store with your mask off for 45 - 60 mins drinking Schnapps unless your name is Otis Campbell. I agree, liquor stores and other big box stores staying open seems dumb, but technically they should be 100x safer than being seated in a crowded restaurant or drunk at the bar at 10pm. In MN they tracked the majority of community spread to bars, restaurants and gyms so they are getting closed.

It's unfortunate that this concept is lost on the general public. They need to drop the essential line from the description and just plainly say we haven't seen spread at these places so they stay open for now with increased restrictions on capacity and hours.

mcgruff10 said:

tbergs said:

bbiggs said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

new crazy restrictions in manitoba effective tomorrow. no one allowed in your house if they don't live there, with some exceptions (health care, child care, etc). stores only allowed to sell essentials. all other items are to be removed from shelves by saturday open. no outdoor gatherings of more than 5. ticket of $298 for not wearing a mask inside. 

I don’t get stores only selling essentials.  Does covid attach more to non essential items?

no, they just don't want anyone going to the store unless it is expressly for essentials. taking away non-essentials takes away many of the customers coming to get stuff they don't necessarily need at the moment.

cabela's worked around that restriction previously by starting to sell propane when they weren't before, because hey, everyone needs a new tent a bowie knife during a pandemic, right?

I'm definitely not a fan of those types of lockdowns.  I can go into home depot or costco with 200 people but I cant go into a little mom and pop store?  Dumb as hell (we did this in new jersey for a few months).  Mask up, wash hands and keep your distance.  

Bingo.  Simple.  And who defines “essential?”  Liquor stores that sell nothing but booze are essential but restaurants are closing by the dozen.  Makes perfect sense. 

It makes sense because you don't sit down and remain in the liquor store with your mask off for 45 - 60 mins drinking Schnapps unless your name is Otis Campbell. I agree, liquor stores and other big box stores staying open seems dumb, but technically they should be 100x safer than being seated in a crowded restaurant or drunk at the bar at 10pm. In MN they tracked the majority of community spread to bars, restaurants and gyms so they are getting closed.

It's unfortunate that this concept is lost on the general public. They need to drop the essential line from the description and just plainly say we haven't seen spread at these places so they stay open for now with increased restrictions on capacity and hours.

I hear ya but don't close those businesses down, limit them to 25-50% indoor capacity.  I went out to dinner last week and tables were six feet apart. 

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

tbergs said:

bbiggs said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

new crazy restrictions in manitoba effective tomorrow. no one allowed in your house if they don't live there, with some exceptions (health care, child care, etc). stores only allowed to sell essentials. all other items are to be removed from shelves by saturday open. no outdoor gatherings of more than 5. ticket of $298 for not wearing a mask inside. 

I don’t get stores only selling essentials.  Does covid attach more to non essential items?

no, they just don't want anyone going to the store unless it is expressly for essentials. taking away non-essentials takes away many of the customers coming to get stuff they don't necessarily need at the moment.

cabela's worked around that restriction previously by starting to sell propane when they weren't before, because hey, everyone needs a new tent a bowie knife during a pandemic, right?

I'm definitely not a fan of those types of lockdowns.  I can go into home depot or costco with 200 people but I cant go into a little mom and pop store?  Dumb as hell (we did this in new jersey for a few months).  Mask up, wash hands and keep your distance.  

Bingo.  Simple.  And who defines “essential?”  Liquor stores that sell nothing but booze are essential but restaurants are closing by the dozen.  Makes perfect sense. 

It makes sense because you don't sit down and remain in the liquor store with your mask off for 45 - 60 mins drinking Schnapps unless your name is Otis Campbell. I agree, liquor stores and other big box stores staying open seems dumb, but technically they should be 100x safer than being seated in a crowded restaurant or drunk at the bar at 10pm. In MN they tracked the majority of community spread to bars, restaurants and gyms so they are getting closed.

It's unfortunate that this concept is lost on the general public. They need to drop the essential line from the description and just plainly say we haven't seen spread at these places so they stay open for now with increased restrictions on capacity and hours.

I hear ya but don't close those businesses down, limit them to 25-50% indoor capacity.  I went out to dinner last week and tables were six feet apart. 

That won't do much when you are there for an extended period sharing air though, and eating out is 100% non-essential.
I'm over the "financial ruin" angle.  I just don't have it in me to care if your non-essential business goes under when people are dropping dead and hospitals are about to be overflowing.  
Of course, the simple solution is that the government props those businesses up until they can drop restrictions, but there's no money available...unless it's for warmongering and helping profiteers, of course.