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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,131
    HughFreakingDillon said:
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Does anyone remember the role of local Law enforcement in the deaths of Medgar Evers, Chaney, Goodman and Schwerner? Does anyone think that shit just dried up and went away in 1965? Couldn’t possibly exist in significance in this day and age? Denial or delusional, take your pick.
    what are you even talking about? who is denying racism in the police force exists? 
    People upset that the police are on the same side of the KKK and whatever the other stick figure depiction was.
    I don't really see anyone upset. you do know that we can have a discussion here without having to project other people's supposed "hysteria", right?
    You mean like your false characterization of my response to you and your use of ALL CAPS in that response?
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  • dignin
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
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    oftenreading said:
    Cool your jets, people. It doesn’t say that they are “the same”. It says that all three groups are behind the GOP and all three groups make it difficult to “come together” and “set aside differences” and all of that. 

    Could definitely have had fundamentalist Christian leaders in there with the same implication. 
    i didn't see any cartoon. i was referring to the poster
    The poster was shitty, the political cartoon was fair. 

    White supremacy in law enforcement is a very real problem, and ignoring it isn't going to make it go away. 


    https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/10/house-panel-examines-white-supremacy-in-law-enforcement/

    https://law.lclark.edu/live/files/28080-lcb231article2johnsonpdf

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement

    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/hidden-plain-sight-racism-white-supremacy-and-far-right-militancy-law


    again, of course it exists. of course ignoring it isn't going away. but to suggest it's 100% of the force is asinine. 

    i don't know if the political cartoon was really fair. i mean, you have two obvious racist groups and a cop. that obviously points to all cops as a racist group, which is absolutely untrue. 

    should they have put a construction worker on that side as well because of the prevailing stereotype of them all being women harassers? 
    It doesn't point to all cops being racist. It shows a black man and lgbtq supporters on the left side. We know that some black men and members of the lgbtq community support Trump. It's not all or nothing.

    But I do remember Trump bragging about all the police unions endorsed him. So the cartoon is based in reality.
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,208
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
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    static111 said:

    Do you really want to have a discussion about how ridiculous, over the top, and in many cases, factually wrong this paper is?  Do you really think the conclusions, particularly that America is a "failed state" are true?  Does this writer even know what a failed state is?  If he has a different definition than the rest of the civilized world (which apparently my group isn't a part of), then he should share his made up one. 
    Im gonna reread it and get back to you after work.  I saw the article as meant to be inflammatory and lead to discussion amongst us white people.  After a deeper reread I’m happy to have a discussion.  
    Well it's definitely inflammatory.  It's also pretty racist.  
    Ok reread.  I’ll agree with you that calling the United States a failed state is some extreme language, but like most of the language in the article I think it is designed to upset and get a reaction and start a conversation. As far as the article being racist goes...nah. My view personally as well as many others of the younger generations is that the oppressed  can’t be racist, because true racism comes from the oppressor.  Minority populations do not have the power and cultural sway to oppress the oppressor as it were.  Is the article highly critical of White people? Yes.  Does it draw conclusions on white people as a group? Yes.   The main point of this article/opinion piece is in my estimation to point out that everything bad that has happened in modern America has been supported by a majority of the white population.  Those of us who are progressive and well meaning overestimate our numbers. Let’s look at Trump/Trumpism through this lens.   Donald Trump pulled the majority of the white vote in 2016 and in 2020 grew his majority white support.   Is that all white people? No, but it is certainly enough that if you look at the numbers it shows that the majority of white voters support the personality, platform and positions of Donald J Trump e.g. racism, xenophobia etc.  I don’t know how we reach out to those people or even if we can, my solution would be to try reaching out to the disengaged white voter and try to organize and educate them.  I know we don’t share the view that most Trump voters are irredeemable at worst or just obstinate at best, I hope your opinion wins out and enough people can come out from under the spell and join us.  To be sure, time isn’t going to solve this problem for us, nor are any outside forces.  It’s going to take some hard conversations within the greater white population as well within our own families and social groups and sometimes even some hard consequences.
    The problem is that inflammatory articles only speak to the people on your team.  If that's your goal, well great.  But if you're actually trying to effect change, it's a failed strategy.  And you lose even people like me who are inclined to support that position.  If you lose people on your team, well that's not a great result.  
    Regarding the racism argument, to split a slight hair, there are plenty of examples of minority populations being racist and oppressive.  South Africa apartheid regime is an easy one.  But I am with Dr. King and his perspective on this topic.  Plus, if you want 80% of Americans (white people) to move to your argument, calling them a racist isn't getting it done.  I'm using "you" in the general sense, obviously not you personally. 
    I see your point and it’s fair.  I think this article is for our team so that we (we collective) realize how serious of a problem we have and how much work there is to do.
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,208
    Biden
    Bentleyspop said:
    The current white house making its supporters proud....


    Is it ok for this guy to openly say he is keeping a list?
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  • PJNB
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    mcgruff10 said:
    @mrussel1 that might have been day old news.  My bad on that.  Ugh


    This was today.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Biden
    His legal team is whittled down to the laughable nobodies.  Pretty soon they will be calling Charley Kelly to see if they can work the Bird Law angle.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    PJNB said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    @mrussel1 that might have been day old news.  My bad on that.  Ugh


    This was today.
    How much money did they raise today claiming they were fighting the “steal?”
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  • dignin
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    PJNB said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    @mrussel1 that might have been day old news.  My bad on that.  Ugh


    This was today.
    How much money did they raise today claiming they were fighting the “steal?”
    The only answer is too much. Golden shitters are expensive.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Biden
    rgambs said:
    His legal team is whittled down to the laughable nobodies.  Pretty soon they will be calling Charley Kelly to see if they can work the Bird Law angle.
    The legal strategy is being spearheaded by David Bossie or something, who's not even a fucking lawyer.  If Don McGahn was in charge, I'd be more concerned. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Biden
    static111 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    The current white house making its supporters proud....


    Is it ok for this guy to openly say he is keeping a list?
    Fuck now.. but you know that's not our bar. 
  • rgambs
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    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    His legal team is whittled down to the laughable nobodies.  Pretty soon they will be calling Charley Kelly to see if they can work the Bird Law angle.
    The legal strategy is being spearheaded by David Bossie or something, who's not even a fucking lawyer.  If Don McGahn was in charge, I'd be more concerned. 
    Yeah, with Rudy Giuliani and Pam Bondi as his all-stars...I'll sleep easy enough 🤣
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,208
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    The current white house making its supporters proud....


    Is it ok for this guy to openly say he is keeping a list?
    Fuck now.. but you know that's not our bar. 
    We don’t have a list!  At best there is a website with an inflammatory name that may or may not have been started by a former Obama staffer.  The more I consider this non story the more I see it as tailor made Republican propaganda.  I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the next evolution of the Lincoln project now that they have ousted Trump.  This is all conjecture of course.   
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  • static111
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    Biden
    I Love AMT, but I have not eaten or done squat since I got off of work, and if I’m being totally honest for the last half hour of work.  Time to take a break eat and regroup.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Biden
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    The current white house making its supporters proud....


    Is it ok for this guy to openly say he is keeping a list?
    Fuck now.. but you know that's not our bar. 
    We don’t have a list!  At best there is a website with an inflammatory name that may or may not have been started by a former Obama staffer.  The more I consider this non story the more I see it as tailor made Republican propaganda.  I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the next evolution of the Lincoln project now that they have ousted Trump.  This is all conjecture of course.   
    You asked if it's okay, and I said no.. but our bar is not what they would do.  I'm not saying there's a list, but R's having a list doesn't make it okay for D to ahve a list. 
  • dignin
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    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    His legal team is whittled down to the laughable nobodies.  Pretty soon they will be calling Charley Kelly to see if they can work the Bird Law angle.
    The legal strategy is being spearheaded by David Bossie or something, who's not even a fucking lawyer.  If Don McGahn was in charge, I'd be more concerned. 
    Trump adviser overseeing campaign legal challenges gets coronavirus, sources say


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/09/politics/david-bossie-coronavirus/index.html
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
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    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    rgambs said:
    His legal team is whittled down to the laughable nobodies.  Pretty soon they will be calling Charley Kelly to see if they can work the Bird Law angle.
    The legal strategy is being spearheaded by David Bossie or something, who's not even a fucking lawyer.  If Don McGahn was in charge, I'd be more concerned. 
    Trump adviser overseeing campaign legal challenges gets coronavirus, sources say


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/09/politics/david-bossie-coronavirus/index.html
    Oh sweet,  sweet irony 
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,192
    Biden
    PJNB said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    @mrussel1 that might have been day old news.  My bad on that.  Ugh


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  • gimmesometruth27
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    Biden
    check out www.loser.com
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  • brianlux
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    gimmesometruth27 said:
    check out www.loser.com

    lol  That's funny!
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