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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Biden
    This is what we are up against in this country 🤦‍♂️
    Trump's "spiritual advisor" 🤣
    https://youtu.be/s0naYcVvemA
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,521
    I'm sitting this one out
    "Cops and the Klan are the same and also I can't understand why I'm having a difficult time building a coalition on meaningful police reform"
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,521
    I'm sitting this one out
    My reaction to that picture is the same as when I watch the Libertarian National Convention and they cut to the guy with rainbow suspenders and a 9/11 Was An Inside Job button
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    Biden
    rgambs said:
    This is what we are up against in this country 🤦‍♂️
    Trump's "spiritual advisor" 🤣
    https://youtu.be/s0naYcVvemA
    She's fucking insane. and by insane, i mean a conartist with no soul ripping the money and souls out of innocent lost people. 
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Biden
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    rgambs said:
    This is what we are up against in this country 🤦‍♂️
    Trump's "spiritual advisor" 🤣
    https://youtu.be/s0naYcVvemA
    She's fucking insane. and by insane, i mean a conartist with no soul ripping the money and souls out of innocent lost people. 
    Innocent DUMB people 🤣

    😒
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Cool your jets, people. It doesn’t say that they are “the same”. It says that all three groups are behind the GOP and all three groups make it difficult to “come together” and “set aside differences” and all of that. 

    Could definitely have had fundamentalist Christian leaders in there with the same implication. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    oftenreading said:
    mrussel1 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mrussel1 said:
    oftenreading said:
    The cartoon shows the police on the side of the GOP, and indeed they are. The National Association of Police Organizations endorsed Trump.
    But so are religious leaders,  military,  some business people,  but they aren't represented there.  And certainly people on the far left (probably left of actually voting) were part of riots at some level,  but that's not represented.  

    Just how crowded do you want that cartoon to be? 

    And I don't think the point of the cartoon involved riots. Perhaps you should draw your own. 
    I'm saying I think the cartoon is wrong.  Those aren't the two sides.  Cartoonists can do what they want, but don't expect me or anyone else not to say... meh that's kind of bullshit. 
    Nah. There are lots of other groups that could have been included, sure, but there’s nothing incorrect about the placement of those particular groups in the cartoon. 
    Thanks for symbolically showing us why the D's expected to win the Senate and 15 House seats, but will only end up +1 on the Senate and -4 in the House.  
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    Biden
    oftenreading said:
    Cool your jets, people. It doesn’t say that they are “the same”. It says that all three groups are behind the GOP and all three groups make it difficult to “come together” and “set aside differences” and all of that. 

    Could definitely have had fundamentalist Christian leaders in there with the same implication. 
    i didn't see any cartoon. i was referring to the poster
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,396
    Biden
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    rgambs said:
    This is what we are up against in this country 🤦‍♂️
    Trump's "spiritual advisor" 🤣
    https://youtu.be/s0naYcVvemA
    She's fucking insane. and by insane, i mean a conartist with no soul ripping the money and souls out of innocent lost people. 
    You just described the next former president
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,754
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    oftenreading said:
    Cool your jets, people. It doesn’t say that they are “the same”. It says that all three groups are behind the GOP and all three groups make it difficult to “come together” and “set aside differences” and all of that. 

    Could definitely have had fundamentalist Christian leaders in there with the same implication. 
    i didn't see any cartoon. i was referring to the poster
    The poster was shitty, the political cartoon was fair. 

    White supremacy in law enforcement is a very real problem, and ignoring it isn't going to make it go away. 


    https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/10/house-panel-examines-white-supremacy-in-law-enforcement/

    https://law.lclark.edu/live/files/28080-lcb231article2johnsonpdf

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement

    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/hidden-plain-sight-racism-white-supremacy-and-far-right-militancy-law


  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,065
    edited November 2020
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:

    Do you really want to have a discussion about how ridiculous, over the top, and in many cases, factually wrong this paper is?  Do you really think the conclusions, particularly that America is a "failed state" are true?  Does this writer even know what a failed state is?  If he has a different definition than the rest of the civilized world (which apparently my group isn't a part of), then he should share his made up one. 
    Im gonna reread it and get back to you after work.  I saw the article as meant to be inflammatory and lead to discussion amongst us white people.  After a deeper reread I’m happy to have a discussion.  
    Well it's definitely inflammatory.  It's also pretty racist.  
    Ok reread.  I’ll agree with you that calling the United States a failed state is some extreme language, but like most of the language in the article I think it is designed to upset and get a reaction and start a conversation. As far as the article being racist goes...nah. My view personally as well as many others of the younger generations is that the oppressed  can’t be racist, because true racism comes from the oppressor.  Minority populations do not have the power and cultural sway to oppress the oppressor as it were.  Is the article highly critical of White people? Yes.  Does it draw conclusions on white people as a group? Yes.   The main point of this article/opinion piece is in my estimation to point out that everything bad that has happened in modern America has been supported by a majority of the white population.  Those of us who are progressive and well meaning overestimate our numbers. Let’s look at Trump/Trumpism through this lens.   Donald Trump pulled the majority of the white vote in 2016 and in 2020 grew his majority white support.   Is that all white people? No, but it is certainly enough that if you look at the numbers it shows that the majority of white voters support the personality, platform and positions of Donald J Trump e.g. racism, xenophobia etc.  I don’t know how we reach out to those people or even if we can, my solution would be to try reaching out to the disengaged white voter and try to organize and educate them.  I know we don’t share the view that most Trump voters are irredeemable at worst or just obstinate at best, I hope your opinion wins out and enough people can come out from under the spell and join us.  To be sure, time isn’t going to solve this problem for us, nor are any outside forces.  It’s going to take some hard conversations within the greater white population as well within our own families and social groups and sometimes even some hard consequences.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:

    Do you really want to have a discussion about how ridiculous, over the top, and in many cases, factually wrong this paper is?  Do you really think the conclusions, particularly that America is a "failed state" are true?  Does this writer even know what a failed state is?  If he has a different definition than the rest of the civilized world (which apparently my group isn't a part of), then he should share his made up one. 
    Im gonna reread it and get back to you after work.  I saw the article as meant to be inflammatory and lead to discussion amongst us white people.  After a deeper reread I’m happy to have a discussion.  
    Well it's definitely inflammatory.  It's also pretty racist.  
    Ok reread.  I’ll agree with you that calling the United States a failed state is some extreme language, but like most of the language in the article I think it is designed to upset and get a reaction and start a conversation. As far as the article being racist goes...nah. My view personally as well as many others of the younger generations is that the oppressed  can’t be racist, because true racism comes from the oppressor.  Minority populations do not have the power and cultural sway to oppress the oppressor as it were.  Is the article highly critical of White people? Yes.  Does it draw conclusions on white people as a group? Yes.   The main point of this article/opinion piece is in my estimation to point out that everything bad that has happened in modern America has been supported by a majority of the white population.  Those of us who are progressive and well meaning overestimate our numbers. Let’s look at Trump/Trumpism through this lens.   Donald Trump pulled the majority of the white vote in 2016 and in 2020 grew his majority white support.   Is that all white people? No, but it is certainly enough that if you look at the numbers it shows that the majority of white voters support the personality, platform and positions of Donald J Trump e.g. racism, xenophobia etc.  I don’t know how we reach out to those people or even if we can, my solution would be to try reaching out to the disengaged white voter and try to organize and educate them.  I know we don’t share the view that most Trump voters are irredeemable at worst or just obstinate at best, I hope your opinion wins out and enough people can come out from under the spell and join us.  To be sure, time isn’t going to solve this problem for us, nor are any outside forces.  It’s going to take some hard conversations within the greater white population as well within our own families and social groups and sometimes even some hard consequences.
    The problem is that inflammatory articles only speak to the people on your team.  If that's your goal, well great.  But if you're actually trying to effect change, it's a failed strategy.  And you lose even people like me who are inclined to support that position.  If you lose people on your team, well that's not a great result.  
    Regarding the racism argument, to split a slight hair, there are plenty of examples of minority populations being racist and oppressive.  South Africa apartheid regime is an easy one.  But I am with Dr. King and his perspective on this topic.  Plus, if you want 80% of Americans (white people) to move to your argument, calling them a racist isn't getting it done.  I'm using "you" in the general sense, obviously not you personally. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    Biden
    Merkin Baller said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    oftenreading said:
    Cool your jets, people. It doesn’t say that they are “the same”. It says that all three groups are behind the GOP and all three groups make it difficult to “come together” and “set aside differences” and all of that. 

    Could definitely have had fundamentalist Christian leaders in there with the same implication. 
    i didn't see any cartoon. i was referring to the poster
    The poster was shitty, the political cartoon was fair. 

    White supremacy in law enforcement is a very real problem, and ignoring it isn't going to make it go away. 


    https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/10/house-panel-examines-white-supremacy-in-law-enforcement/

    https://law.lclark.edu/live/files/28080-lcb231article2johnsonpdf

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement

    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/hidden-plain-sight-racism-white-supremacy-and-far-right-militancy-law


    again, of course it exists. of course ignoring it isn't going away. but to suggest it's 100% of the force is asinine. 

    i don't know if the political cartoon was really fair. i mean, you have two obvious racist groups and a cop. that obviously points to all cops as a racist group, which is absolutely untrue. 

    should they have put a construction worker on that side as well because of the prevailing stereotype of them all being women harassers? 
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,396
    Biden
    The current white house making its supporters proud....


  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,015
    Does anyone remember the role of local Law enforcement in the deaths of Medgar Evers, Chaney, Goodman and Schwerner? Does anyone think that shit just dried up and went away in 1965? Couldn’t possibly exist in significance in this day and age? Denial or delusional, take your pick.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    Biden
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Does anyone remember the role of local Law enforcement in the deaths of Medgar Evers, Chaney, Goodman and Schwerner? Does anyone think that shit just dried up and went away in 1965? Couldn’t possibly exist in significance in this day and age? Denial or delusional, take your pick.
    what are you even talking about? who is denying racism in the police force exists? 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,015
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Does anyone remember the role of local Law enforcement in the deaths of Medgar Evers, Chaney, Goodman and Schwerner? Does anyone think that shit just dried up and went away in 1965? Couldn’t possibly exist in significance in this day and age? Denial or delusional, take your pick.
    what are you even talking about? who is denying racism in the police force exists? 
    People upset that the police are on the same side of the KKK and whatever the other stick figure depiction was.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,015
    Bentleyspop said:
    The current white house making its supporters proud....


    How’s that for a “loyalty oath?”
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    Biden
    Bentleyspop said:
    The current white house making its supporters proud....


    fuck you for wanting to have continuity in your  finances and food on your table. JESUS. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    Biden
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Does anyone remember the role of local Law enforcement in the deaths of Medgar Evers, Chaney, Goodman and Schwerner? Does anyone think that shit just dried up and went away in 1965? Couldn’t possibly exist in significance in this day and age? Denial or delusional, take your pick.
    what are you even talking about? who is denying racism in the police force exists? 
    People upset that the police are on the same side of the KKK and whatever the other stick figure depiction was.
    I don't really see anyone upset. you do know that we can have a discussion here without having to project other people's supposed "hysteria", right?
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