Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez

pjl44 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

pjl44 said:

Looking forward to some lifer from the US Forest Service getting dressed down by a Resistance soldier

There is a difference between career civil servants and executive branch hires by the winning candidate’s administration.

I'm certain the All Cops Are Klan crew can be trusted to make that distinction 

Halifax2TheMax said:

pjl44 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

pjl44 said:

Looking forward to some lifer from the US Forest Service getting dressed down by a Resistance soldier

There is a difference between career civil servants and executive branch hires by the winning candidate’s administration.

I'm certain the All Cops Are Klan crew can be trusted to make that distinction 

I don’t think the Forest Service lifer has anything to worry about.

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

Maybe I'm particularly sensitive to this because there are people I used to respect who showed their ass publicly multiple times during this administration. Rand Paul is a perfect example. If he runs for President in 4 years or whatever, I want journalists (or someone) to pull that shit out, put it in front of him, and ask him to explain it.

And you think those words and public statements are going to go missing?

I mean...are you talking about the internet archive? Again, I think you're taking what she said too literally. 

Why would one be figurative about something so Orwellian and polarizing.  Again,  how does this expand the Democratic majority?

I think we're just interpreting her differently. If I read it the same way you have we'd be Batman and Robin on this one.

Politico with an article on it today.  https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/aoc-cancel-worked-for-trump-435293

Not eating my hat yet.  This text from the website. The only text from said website in question in fact. 

We should welcome in our fellow Americans with whom we differ politically.

But those who took a paycheck from the Trump Administration should not profit from their efforts to tear our democracy apart. The world should never forget those who, when faced with a decision, chose to put their money, their time, and their reputations behind separating children from their families, encouraging racism and anti-Semitism, and negligently causing the unnecessary loss of life and economic devastation from our country's failed response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

We should not allow the following groups of people to profit from their experience:

Those who elected him

Those who elected him.

Individuals who worked for the Trump for President campaign, Republican National Committee, and affiliated PACs in 2016 or 2020.

Those who staffed his government.

Individuals who worked in any role as a political appointee in the Trump Administration.

Those who funded him.

Individuals who used their massive personal wealth and influence to bundle money for Trump.

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The tweet in question.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1324807776510595078?s=20

so far no link to AOC or the accountability project, or who actually owns or staffs or other than Politico alleging it sprang up because of AOC wanting to hold people that were complicit in Trumpism accountable, and an NY Post article saying that it is the project of a former Obama staffer.

lol the idea that first they came for Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnel, then They came for Kayleigh mcEnemy, then they came for me energy going around about this.

But what does "profiting" mean?  Does that mean holding a job?  That gets back to the point I made yesterday.  Some mid/low level staffer should never work again?

I still say if you knowingly signed a piece of paper that said you were going to help Donald trump advance his agenda you should absolutely be held accountable for that support.   There are jobs out there that don’t involve working for Trump, especially for republicans that think it’s no big deal for someone to lose their high paying corporate gig to a layoff and then have to deliver food or take up a retail job or both to make ends meet.   The only way I would agree with you about the low/mid level staffers thing would be if Trump wasn’t in fact as bad as we all know he is.  If you made it through a good school with a polisci degree you obviously have the critical thinking skills to look at Trumps life before being president and his record as president and make a judgement call.  The brainwashed uneducated masses, not so much, although still complicit they at least have the excuse of ignorance. 

Maybe, and likely, you just signed a piece of paper that you were going to work 40 hours a week for $75k doing administrative or data mining for the State Department.  But that would put you in the "accountable" bucket.  

If there was some loyalty oath about advancing the agenda of DJT, I'd like to see it. 

mrussel1 said:

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static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

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pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

Maybe I'm particularly sensitive to this because there are people I used to respect who showed their ass publicly multiple times during this administration. Rand Paul is a perfect example. If he runs for President in 4 years or whatever, I want journalists (or someone) to pull that shit out, put it in front of him, and ask him to explain it.

And you think those words and public statements are going to go missing?

I mean...are you talking about the internet archive? Again, I think you're taking what she said too literally. 

Why would one be figurative about something so Orwellian and polarizing.  Again,  how does this expand the Democratic majority?

I think we're just interpreting her differently. If I read it the same way you have we'd be Batman and Robin on this one.

Politico with an article on it today.  https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/aoc-cancel-worked-for-trump-435293

Not eating my hat yet.  This text from the website. The only text from said website in question in fact. 

We should welcome in our fellow Americans with whom we differ politically.

But those who took a paycheck from the Trump Administration should not profit from their efforts to tear our democracy apart. The world should never forget those who, when faced with a decision, chose to put their money, their time, and their reputations behind separating children from their families, encouraging racism and anti-Semitism, and negligently causing the unnecessary loss of life and economic devastation from our country's failed response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

We should not allow the following groups of people to profit from their experience:

Those who elected him

Those who elected him.

Individuals who worked for the Trump for President campaign, Republican National Committee, and affiliated PACs in 2016 or 2020.

Those who staffed his government.

Individuals who worked in any role as a political appointee in the Trump Administration.

Those who funded him.

Individuals who used their massive personal wealth and influence to bundle money for Trump.

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The tweet in question.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1324807776510595078?s=20

so far no link to AOC or the accountability project, or who actually owns or staffs or other than Politico alleging it sprang up because of AOC wanting to hold people that were complicit in Trumpism accountable, and an NY Post article saying that it is the project of a former Obama staffer.

lol the idea that first they came for Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnel, then They came for Kayleigh mcEnemy, then they came for me energy going around about this.

But what does "profiting" mean?  Does that mean holding a job?  That gets back to the point I made yesterday.  Some mid/low level staffer should never work again?

Just not in a dem administration. They can go pump gas. Its not uncommon for administrations to purge and refuse to hire the staff or enablers of the previous. And honestly, fuck those people who enabled the worst administration in this nation's history. 237,000 dead Americans, and counting.

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

Maybe I'm particularly sensitive to this because there are people I used to respect who showed their ass publicly multiple times during this administration. Rand Paul is a perfect example. If he runs for President in 4 years or whatever, I want journalists (or someone) to pull that shit out, put it in front of him, and ask him to explain it.

And you think those words and public statements are going to go missing?

I mean...are you talking about the internet archive? Again, I think you're taking what she said too literally. 

Why would one be figurative about something so Orwellian and polarizing.  Again,  how does this expand the Democratic majority?

I think we're just interpreting her differently. If I read it the same way you have we'd be Batman and Robin on this one.

Politico with an article on it today.  https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/aoc-cancel-worked-for-trump-435293

Not eating my hat yet.  This text from the website. The only text from said website in question in fact. 

We should welcome in our fellow Americans with whom we differ politically.

But those who took a paycheck from the Trump Administration should not profit from their efforts to tear our democracy apart. The world should never forget those who, when faced with a decision, chose to put their money, their time, and their reputations behind separating children from their families, encouraging racism and anti-Semitism, and negligently causing the unnecessary loss of life and economic devastation from our country's failed response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

We should not allow the following groups of people to profit from their experience:

Those who elected him

Those who elected him.

Individuals who worked for the Trump for President campaign, Republican National Committee, and affiliated PACs in 2016 or 2020.

Those who staffed his government.

Individuals who worked in any role as a political appointee in the Trump Administration.

Those who funded him.

Individuals who used their massive personal wealth and influence to bundle money for Trump.

Sign up for updates

The tweet in question.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1324807776510595078?s=20

so far no link to AOC or the accountability project, or who actually owns or staffs or other than Politico alleging it sprang up because of AOC wanting to hold people that were complicit in Trumpism accountable, and an NY Post article saying that it is the project of a former Obama staffer.

lol the idea that first they came for Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnel, then They came for Kayleigh mcEnemy, then they came for me energy going around about this.

But what does "profiting" mean?  Does that mean holding a job?  That gets back to the point I made yesterday.  Some mid/low level staffer should never work again?

Just not in a dem administration. They can go pump gas. Its not uncommon for administrations to purge and refuse to hire the staff or enablers of the previous. And honestly, fuck those people who enabled the worst administration in this nation's history. 237,000 dead Americans, and counting.

You don't need a list, db, or anything for that.  You don't need announce anything either.  Those are part of federal job records.  Will this list be used to pressure corporate America?  That's what I was talking about yesterday.  Cancel culture is real, as you know.  

C'mon, man. Do you really think corporate America HR departments or the average left wing communist socialist ANTIIIIIIIFA is going to keep tabs on all of these people and start a BDS movement against said corporations? AOC is reminding people to not forget who stood for what where and when it mattered. Would you be comfortable if Sarah Hucksterabee Sanders became Google's, GM's, Kraft's, McDonalds' or Unilever's, or any other corporation in America's press spokesperson? Would you stop buying their products? I wouldn't but I'd question their hiring decisions. Lindsey Flimsy Flip Flop Faloozy Graham challenged the voters of Georgia to hold him to his word and they didn't. AOC is reminding people to do that. Was the woman who started the Me Too list wrong to have done so? Actions speak louder than words and when you choose a side, be prepared to live with any potential consequences, particularly if you run for office. Both sides are not the same.

1. I'm not talking about policy makers and senior officials.
2. Do I think corporate HR is keeping a list?  No.  Do I think it's possible the left wing keeps a list and tries to pressure corporate America?  Maybe.  That's my concern.  

Again, this is beyond AOC's tweet, which was covered.  The text of the website is about "taking a paycheck".  Who took a paycheck? Lots and lots of people.  What does it mean to "profit"?  I don't know what they mean.  That's a loaded term.  Am I profiting every other Wed when I get paid?  

The FEC keeps a list. Does that concern you? What is wrong with pressuring corporate America to be responsible? Rushbo has been screaming for years how they'll keep tabs on folks, remember how they voted and who they supported. Does the left do that? Hell, his rhetoric in the 90's got abortion providers murdered. Do you think anyone knows the name of the lowly staffer? Or that the average American would change their spending habits because a company hired the 26 year old communications major who spent two years working in the WH press office for Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat?

You know what? Fuck the My Pillow guy, Hobby Lobby and Chik-fil-a  and I stopped buying Goya, no list needed. Does that make me evil? Has anyone seen "the list?" Where is it available? Maybe someone I know is on it?

Are you profiting every other Wednesday? I don't know. Are you well compensated for how much you work or are you working your ass off for peanuts with no health plan? Personally, I profit from my employer, although I wish I could retire already. Fuck work.

Telling me about how the right wing has done this and that isn't a compelling argument to me.  

I don't understand the question about the elections commission. 

Third,  how this site defines "profiting" is pretty important.  And no one will convince me that mid and low level staffers should be prevented from having a job in the future,  through left wing pressure campaigns. 

The FEC has a list of every donation made to a candidate, all candidates, if the candidate and campaign have been honest in their reporting. Should this list exist? I can access this list right now. I can dig deep and look at my local state/city/town races. I can look up any contractor/company or random name I come in contact with and see if they donated and to whom. Should I be allowed to have access to such a list?

I'm not sure what your concern is, then? Because dems or a dem House member exhorts people to remember which side people were on, its suddenly an issue? Let me know when the lowly Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat staffer is unemployable because of a "left wing pressure campaign." You're bordering on hysteria.

Yes, I'm hysterical.  

I said you were bordering on it, not that you are/were.

No, I'm telling you that I"m there now.  Previous post was bordering.  Now I'm locked in. 

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

Maybe I'm particularly sensitive to this because there are people I used to respect who showed their ass publicly multiple times during this administration. Rand Paul is a perfect example. If he runs for President in 4 years or whatever, I want journalists (or someone) to pull that shit out, put it in front of him, and ask him to explain it.

And you think those words and public statements are going to go missing?

I mean...are you talking about the internet archive? Again, I think you're taking what she said too literally. 

Why would one be figurative about something so Orwellian and polarizing.  Again,  how does this expand the Democratic majority?

I think we're just interpreting her differently. If I read it the same way you have we'd be Batman and Robin on this one.

Politico with an article on it today.  https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/aoc-cancel-worked-for-trump-435293

Not eating my hat yet.  This text from the website. The only text from said website in question in fact. 

We should welcome in our fellow Americans with whom we differ politically.

But those who took a paycheck from the Trump Administration should not profit from their efforts to tear our democracy apart. The world should never forget those who, when faced with a decision, chose to put their money, their time, and their reputations behind separating children from their families, encouraging racism and anti-Semitism, and negligently causing the unnecessary loss of life and economic devastation from our country's failed response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

We should not allow the following groups of people to profit from their experience:

Those who elected him

Those who elected him.

Individuals who worked for the Trump for President campaign, Republican National Committee, and affiliated PACs in 2016 or 2020.

Those who staffed his government.

Individuals who worked in any role as a political appointee in the Trump Administration.

Those who funded him.

Individuals who used their massive personal wealth and influence to bundle money for Trump.

Sign up for updates

The tweet in question.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1324807776510595078?s=20

so far no link to AOC or the accountability project, or who actually owns or staffs or other than Politico alleging it sprang up because of AOC wanting to hold people that were complicit in Trumpism accountable, and an NY Post article saying that it is the project of a former Obama staffer.

lol the idea that first they came for Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnel, then They came for Kayleigh mcEnemy, then they came for me energy going around about this.

But what does "profiting" mean?  Does that mean holding a job?  That gets back to the point I made yesterday.  Some mid/low level staffer should never work again?

Just not in a dem administration. They can go pump gas. Its not uncommon for administrations to purge and refuse to hire the staff or enablers of the previous. And honestly, fuck those people who enabled the worst administration in this nation's history. 237,000 dead Americans, and counting.

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

Maybe I'm particularly sensitive to this because there are people I used to respect who showed their ass publicly multiple times during this administration. Rand Paul is a perfect example. If he runs for President in 4 years or whatever, I want journalists (or someone) to pull that shit out, put it in front of him, and ask him to explain it.

And you think those words and public statements are going to go missing?

I mean...are you talking about the internet archive? Again, I think you're taking what she said too literally. 

Why would one be figurative about something so Orwellian and polarizing.  Again,  how does this expand the Democratic majority?

I think we're just interpreting her differently. If I read it the same way you have we'd be Batman and Robin on this one.

Politico with an article on it today.  https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/aoc-cancel-worked-for-trump-435293

Not eating my hat yet.  This text from the website. The only text from said website in question in fact. 

We should welcome in our fellow Americans with whom we differ politically.

But those who took a paycheck from the Trump Administration should not profit from their efforts to tear our democracy apart. The world should never forget those who, when faced with a decision, chose to put their money, their time, and their reputations behind separating children from their families, encouraging racism and anti-Semitism, and negligently causing the unnecessary loss of life and economic devastation from our country's failed response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

We should not allow the following groups of people to profit from their experience:

Those who elected him

Those who elected him.

Individuals who worked for the Trump for President campaign, Republican National Committee, and affiliated PACs in 2016 or 2020.

Those who staffed his government.

Individuals who worked in any role as a political appointee in the Trump Administration.

Those who funded him.

Individuals who used their massive personal wealth and influence to bundle money for Trump.

Sign up for updates

The tweet in question.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1324807776510595078?s=20

so far no link to AOC or the accountability project, or who actually owns or staffs or other than Politico alleging it sprang up because of AOC wanting to hold people that were complicit in Trumpism accountable, and an NY Post article saying that it is the project of a former Obama staffer.

lol the idea that first they came for Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnel, then They came for Kayleigh mcEnemy, then they came for me energy going around about this.

But what does "profiting" mean?  Does that mean holding a job?  That gets back to the point I made yesterday.  Some mid/low level staffer should never work again?

Just not in a dem administration. They can go pump gas. Its not uncommon for administrations to purge and refuse to hire the staff or enablers of the previous. And honestly, fuck those people who enabled the worst administration in this nation's history. 237,000 dead Americans, and counting.

You don't need a list, db, or anything for that.  You don't need announce anything either.  Those are part of federal job records.  Will this list be used to pressure corporate America?  That's what I was talking about yesterday.  Cancel culture is real, as you know.  

C'mon, man. Do you really think corporate America HR departments or the average left wing communist socialist ANTIIIIIIIFA is going to keep tabs on all of these people and start a BDS movement against said corporations? AOC is reminding people to not forget who stood for what where and when it mattered. Would you be comfortable if Sarah Hucksterabee Sanders became Google's, GM's, Kraft's, McDonalds' or Unilever's, or any other corporation in America's press spokesperson? Would you stop buying their products? I wouldn't but I'd question their hiring decisions. Lindsey Flimsy Flip Flop Faloozy Graham challenged the voters of Georgia to hold him to his word and they didn't. AOC is reminding people to do that. Was the woman who started the Me Too list wrong to have done so? Actions speak louder than words and when you choose a side, be prepared to live with any potential consequences, particularly if you run for office. Both sides are not the same.

1. I'm not talking about policy makers and senior officials.
2. Do I think corporate HR is keeping a list?  No.  Do I think it's possible the left wing keeps a list and tries to pressure corporate America?  Maybe.  That's my concern.  

Again, this is beyond AOC's tweet, which was covered.  The text of the website is about "taking a paycheck".  Who took a paycheck? Lots and lots of people.  What does it mean to "profit"?  I don't know what they mean.  That's a loaded term.  Am I profiting every other Wed when I get paid?  

The FEC keeps a list. Does that concern you? What is wrong with pressuring corporate America to be responsible? Rushbo has been screaming for years how they'll keep tabs on folks, remember how they voted and who they supported. Does the left do that? Hell, his rhetoric in the 90's got abortion providers murdered. Do you think anyone knows the name of the lowly staffer? Or that the average American would change their spending habits because a company hired the 26 year old communications major who spent two years working in the WH press office for Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat?

You know what? Fuck the My Pillow guy, Hobby Lobby and Chik-fil-a  and I stopped buying Goya, no list needed. Does that make me evil? Has anyone seen "the list?" Where is it available? Maybe someone I know is on it?

Are you profiting every other Wednesday? I don't know. Are you well compensated for how much you work or are you working your ass off for peanuts with no health plan? Personally, I profit from my employer, although I wish I could retire already. Fuck work.

Telling me about how the right wing has done this and that isn't a compelling argument to me.  

I don't understand the question about the elections commission. 

Third,  how this site defines "profiting" is pretty important.  And no one will convince me that mid and low level staffers should be prevented from having a job in the future,  through left wing pressure campaigns. 

The FEC has a list of every donation made to a candidate, all candidates, if the candidate and campaign have been honest in their reporting. Should this list exist? I can access this list right now. I can dig deep and look at my local state/city/town races. I can look up any contractor/company or random name I come in contact with and see if they donated and to whom. Should I be allowed to have access to such a list?

I'm not sure what your concern is, then? Because dems or a dem House member exhorts people to remember which side people were on, its suddenly an issue? Let me know when the lowly Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat staffer is unemployable because of a "left wing pressure campaign." You're bordering on hysteria.

Yes, I'm hysterical.  

I said you were bordering on it, not that you are/were.

No, I'm telling you that I"m there now.  Previous post was bordering.  Now I'm locked in. 

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holding people financially accountable for their right as a citizen protected under the constitution sounds fucking fascist to me. 

Well, if people dont have to make cakes for gay couples and a Catholic school can refuse to hire a lesbian for a position for which they’re qualified, then what’s the problem with refusing to hire someone who supported Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat?

so because I disagree with what AOC is proposing, that means I'm for what trump has proposed/supported in the past? funny how that always seems to be the driving theme behind everything these days. 

THERE IS NO GREY, PEOPLE. ALL YOU 'PURPLE' FOLKS, CLEAR THE FUCK OUT. 

i obviously get not hiring trump staffers or contributors for the WH, but beyond that, let them live their lives. 

pretty sure kayleigh maceneny wasn't looking for a job on MSNBC crying next to rachel maddow anyway. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

holding people financially accountable for their right as a citizen protected under the constitution sounds fucking fascist to me. 

Well, if people dont have to make cakes for gay couples and a Catholic school can refuse to hire a lesbian for a position for which they’re qualified, then what’s the problem with refusing to hire someone who supported Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat?

so because I disagree with what AOC is proposing, that means I'm for what trump has proposed/supported in the past? funny how that always seems to be the driving theme behind everything these days. 

THERE IS NO GREY, PEOPLE. ALL YOU 'PURPLE' FOLKS, CLEAR THE FUCK OUT. 

i obviously get not hiring trump staffers or contributors for the WH, but beyond that, let them live their lives. 

pretty sure kayleigh maceneny wasn't looking for a job on MSNBC crying next to rachel maddow anyway. 

I never said any of what you allege I did. Did I say you supported Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat because you disagreed with AOC? FFS.

because you used, as you are oft to do, a red herring. what does the gay issue have to do with AOC and her list? absolutely zero. the choices aren't always binary. i can disagree with both. 

FFS indeed. 

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

pjl44 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

pjl44 said:

Looking forward to some lifer from the US Forest Service getting dressed down by a Resistance soldier

There is a difference between career civil servants and executive branch hires by the winning candidate’s administration.

I'm certain the All Cops Are Klan crew can be trusted to make that distinction 

I don’t think the Forest Service lifer has anything to worry about.

As a lifer,  he's not changing jobs... by definition

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

Maybe I'm particularly sensitive to this because there are people I used to respect who showed their ass publicly multiple times during this administration. Rand Paul is a perfect example. If he runs for President in 4 years or whatever, I want journalists (or someone) to pull that shit out, put it in front of him, and ask him to explain it.

And you think those words and public statements are going to go missing?

I mean...are you talking about the internet archive? Again, I think you're taking what she said too literally. 

Why would one be figurative about something so Orwellian and polarizing.  Again,  how does this expand the Democratic majority?

I think we're just interpreting her differently. If I read it the same way you have we'd be Batman and Robin on this one.

Politico with an article on it today.  https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/aoc-cancel-worked-for-trump-435293

Not eating my hat yet.  This text from the website. The only text from said website in question in fact. 

We should welcome in our fellow Americans with whom we differ politically.

But those who took a paycheck from the Trump Administration should not profit from their efforts to tear our democracy apart. The world should never forget those who, when faced with a decision, chose to put their money, their time, and their reputations behind separating children from their families, encouraging racism and anti-Semitism, and negligently causing the unnecessary loss of life and economic devastation from our country's failed response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

We should not allow the following groups of people to profit from their experience:

Those who elected him

Those who elected him.

Individuals who worked for the Trump for President campaign, Republican National Committee, and affiliated PACs in 2016 or 2020.

Those who staffed his government.

Individuals who worked in any role as a political appointee in the Trump Administration.

Those who funded him.

Individuals who used their massive personal wealth and influence to bundle money for Trump.

Sign up for updates

The tweet in question.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1324807776510595078?s=20

so far no link to AOC or the accountability project, or who actually owns or staffs or other than Politico alleging it sprang up because of AOC wanting to hold people that were complicit in Trumpism accountable, and an NY Post article saying that it is the project of a former Obama staffer.

lol the idea that first they came for Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnel, then They came for Kayleigh mcEnemy, then they came for me energy going around about this.

But what does "profiting" mean?  Does that mean holding a job?  That gets back to the point I made yesterday.  Some mid/low level staffer should never work again?

I still say if you knowingly signed a piece of paper that said you were going to help Donald trump advance his agenda you should absolutely be held accountable for that support.   There are jobs out there that don’t involve working for Trump, especially for republicans that think it’s no big deal for someone to lose their high paying corporate gig to a layoff and then have to deliver food or take up a retail job or both to make ends meet.   The only way I would agree with you about the low/mid level staffers thing would be if Trump wasn’t in fact as bad as we all know he is.  If you made it through a good school with a polisci degree you obviously have the critical thinking skills to look at Trumps life before being president and his record as president and make a judgement call.  The brainwashed uneducated masses, not so much, although still complicit they at least have the excuse of ignorance. 

Maybe, and likely, you just signed a piece of paper that you were going to work 40 hours a week for $75k doing administrative or data mining for the State Department.  But that would put you in the "accountable" bucket.  

If there was some loyalty oath about advancing the agenda of DJT, I'd like to see it. 

So now you are equating everyone with a government job as being complicit with Donald Trump or are you saying people that want to hold those who supported Trump accountable can’t tell the difference from someone that works for the federal government and someone that was literally part of the Trump administration.   I don’t think people are so obtuse that they believe that everyone in the federal government that falls under the Aegis of the executive branch is in support of the president no matter who it happens to be.  I don’t think the point is that everyone from the janitor at the lowest level of the state department to the intelligence analyst at their desk is part of the problem.  Those jobs need to be filled no matter who the president is.  I know from conversing with you on this board over the last few months that you are an intelligent and thoughtful person, so it is hard for me to see that you believe that a list meant to hold Trump supporters and enablers accountable is the same thing as a list of every position of the federal government that falls under the executive branch.  This is about the McEnemys, the Faloozy Flip Flops, Moscow Mitches, and the staff that surrounds them and helps them out as well as donors etc.  it has nothing to do with someone filling a desk for the department of education looking at FAFSA paperwork, so please stop pretending it does.

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holding people financially accountable for their right as a citizen protected under the constitution sounds fucking fascist to me. 

Well, if people dont have to make cakes for gay couples and a Catholic school can refuse to hire a lesbian for a position for which they’re qualified, then what’s the problem with refusing to hire someone who supported Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat?

so because I disagree with what AOC is proposing, that means I'm for what trump has proposed/supported in the past? funny how that always seems to be the driving theme behind everything these days. 

THERE IS NO GREY, PEOPLE. ALL YOU 'PURPLE' FOLKS, CLEAR THE FUCK OUT. 

i obviously get not hiring trump staffers or contributors for the WH, but beyond that, let them live their lives. 

pretty sure kayleigh maceneny wasn't looking for a job on MSNBC crying next to rachel maddow anyway. 

I never said any of what you allege I did. Did I say you supported Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat because you disagreed with AOC? FFS.

because you used, as you are oft to do, a red herring. what does the gay issue have to do with AOC and her list? absolutely zero. the choices aren't always binary. i can disagree with both. 

FFS indeed. 

For the last time, She. Doesn’t. Have. A. List.... i quoted the tweet a few pages back no mention of a list anywhere, the list shit started on right wing media and people for whatever reason picked it up and ran with it.

Wait, so it’s not a former Obama staffer that started the (actual) list which I only became aware of because they replied to AOC’s tweet that they (TAP) were compiling a list? I’ll grab a screenshot of that tweet/reply as well.

If a list exists it isn’t AOCs. She never called for a fucking list.  According to the NY post article the alleged list is run by a former Obama staffer.  To be sure no one knows who runs the trump accountability project website that the article also mentions existed before AOC rightfully said let’s hold these people accountable.  Again Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez does not have a list. 

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Maybe I'm particularly sensitive to this because there are people I used to respect who showed their ass publicly multiple times during this administration. Rand Paul is a perfect example. If he runs for President in 4 years or whatever, I want journalists (or someone) to pull that shit out, put it in front of him, and ask him to explain it.

And you think those words and public statements are going to go missing?

I mean...are you talking about the internet archive? Again, I think you're taking what she said too literally. 

Why would one be figurative about something so Orwellian and polarizing.  Again,  how does this expand the Democratic majority?

I think we're just interpreting her differently. If I read it the same way you have we'd be Batman and Robin on this one.

Politico with an article on it today.  https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/aoc-cancel-worked-for-trump-435293

Not eating my hat yet.  This text from the website. The only text from said website in question in fact. 

We should welcome in our fellow Americans with whom we differ politically.

But those who took a paycheck from the Trump Administration should not profit from their efforts to tear our democracy apart. The world should never forget those who, when faced with a decision, chose to put their money, their time, and their reputations behind separating children from their families, encouraging racism and anti-Semitism, and negligently causing the unnecessary loss of life and economic devastation from our country's failed response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

We should not allow the following groups of people to profit from their experience:

Those who elected him

Those who elected him.

Individuals who worked for the Trump for President campaign, Republican National Committee, and affiliated PACs in 2016 or 2020.

Those who staffed his government.

Individuals who worked in any role as a political appointee in the Trump Administration.

Those who funded him.

Individuals who used their massive personal wealth and influence to bundle money for Trump.

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The tweet in question.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1324807776510595078?s=20

so far no link to AOC or the accountability project, or who actually owns or staffs or other than Politico alleging it sprang up because of AOC wanting to hold people that were complicit in Trumpism accountable, and an NY Post article saying that it is the project of a former Obama staffer.

lol the idea that first they came for Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnel, then They came for Kayleigh mcEnemy, then they came for me energy going around about this.

But what does "profiting" mean?  Does that mean holding a job?  That gets back to the point I made yesterday.  Some mid/low level staffer should never work again?

I still say if you knowingly signed a piece of paper that said you were going to help Donald trump advance his agenda you should absolutely be held accountable for that support.   There are jobs out there that don’t involve working for Trump, especially for republicans that think it’s no big deal for someone to lose their high paying corporate gig to a layoff and then have to deliver food or take up a retail job or both to make ends meet.   The only way I would agree with you about the low/mid level staffers thing would be if Trump wasn’t in fact as bad as we all know he is.  If you made it through a good school with a polisci degree you obviously have the critical thinking skills to look at Trumps life before being president and his record as president and make a judgement call.  The brainwashed uneducated masses, not so much, although still complicit they at least have the excuse of ignorance. 

Maybe, and likely, you just signed a piece of paper that you were going to work 40 hours a week for $75k doing administrative or data mining for the State Department.  But that would put you in the "accountable" bucket.  

If there was some loyalty oath about advancing the agenda of DJT, I'd like to see it. 

So now you are equating everyone with a government job as being complicit with Donald Trump or are you saying people that want to hold those who supported Trump accountable can’t tell the difference from someone that works for the federal government and someone that was literally part of the Trump administration.   I don’t think people are so obtuse that they believe that everyone in the federal government that falls under the Aegis of the executive branch is in support of the president no matter who it happens to be.  I don’t think the point is that everyone from the janitor at the lowest level of the state department to the intelligence analyst at their desk is part of the problem.  Those jobs need to be filled no matter who the president is.  I know from conversing with you on this board over the last few months that you are an intelligent and thoughtful person, so it is hard for me to see that you believe that a list meant to hold Trump supporters and enablers accountable is the same thing as a list of every position of the federal government that falls under the executive branch.  This is about the McEnemys, the Faloozy Flip Flops, Moscow Mitches, and the staff that surrounds them and helps them out as well as donors etc.  it has nothing to do with someone filling a desk for the department of education looking at FAFSA paperwork, so please stop pretending it does.

I'm still in the same place, that's why I keep brining up the staffers, mid and low levels.  The senior policy makers?  Sure.  Hold them accountable, whatever that means.  If they run for office, absolutely that history is fair game.  And that's all public record.  If that's really all we're talking about here, then the whole existence of this project is a terrible PR strategy.  You don't have to do this because everyone in DC knows who was making policy.  If it gets lower than policy makers, like the staffers, then I have a real problem with this.