Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

Spiritual_Chaos said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Quite honestly, either way, it's irresponsible of a candidate NOT to ask for a recount given the legal framework.

Why?

Because I know this place - I don't think it will change a thing. 

To answer your question, you've asked people to support you. You come within the legally created limit to ask for a 2nd count to make sure the count is correct (And btw, the count WILL change - not outcome, but the actual count).  Don't you think it's irresponsible of someone asking for your support to NOT take every reasonable consideration to make sure that support is properly recognized?

I'm not talking court challenges and stuff. I'm staying clear of that.  But, recount?  Really? You don't think that's not only a reasonable thing to do, but an obligation?

EdsonNascimento said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Quite honestly, either way, it's irresponsible of a candidate NOT to ask for a recount given the legal framework.

Why?

Because I know this place - I don't think it will change a thing. 

To answer your question, you've asked people to support you. You come within the legally created limit to ask for a 2nd count to make sure the count is correct (And btw, the count WILL change - not outcome, but the actual count).  Don't you think it's irresponsible of someone asking for your support to NOT take every reasonable consideration to make sure that support is properly recognized?

I'm not talking court challenges and stuff. I'm staying clear of that.  But, recount?  Really? You don't think that's not only a reasonable thing to do, but an obligation?

Doesn't it 

1) cost money

2) slow down the process of an effective election

If there is no reason for a recount - as in super tight margins, or stuff being off, I would not do one. 

Spiritual_Chaos said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Quite honestly, either way, it's irresponsible of a candidate NOT to ask for a recount given the legal framework.

Why?

Because I know this place - I don't think it will change a thing. 

To answer your question, you've asked people to support you. You come within the legally created limit to ask for a 2nd count to make sure the count is correct (And btw, the count WILL change - not outcome, but the actual count).  Don't you think it's irresponsible of someone asking for your support to NOT take every reasonable consideration to make sure that support is properly recognized?

I'm not talking court challenges and stuff. I'm staying clear of that.  But, recount?  Really? You don't think that's not only a reasonable thing to do, but an obligation?

Doesn't it 

1) cost money

2) slow down the process of an effective election

If there is no reason for a recount - as in super tight margins, or stuff being off, I would not do one. 

Lol. Did you see the $100 M Bloomberg poured into Fla to help Biden lose by more than anyone had even thought possible?  Your first point is the cost of a recount?

It should not slow anything down. There should be more than enough time to do a recount between the next week (I don't know when each State certifies, but they're all by end of next week) and mid-December.

The inauguration isn't until the 3rd week of January. Biden doesn't become President until then.  There's plenty of time for a recount.

I think this is an issue everyone should be in favor of if they are truly about full and fair elections. Not asking for a recount is just plain stupid.  Biden would rightfully do exactly the same thing.  Gore didn't have to do it in 2000 because the Fla Sec'y of State stepped in and just ordered one. But, if she hadn't, he would have.

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1324069252555485189?s=20

Spiritual_Chaos said:

The Sinister Six is assembling. Someone call spiderman

https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1324062078731231233?s=20

I think its a good sign they are attacking PA.  Their internal data must show that it will slide to Biden as well.  

tbergs said:

Sums it up pretty well.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/liberal-election-fantasy-loses-trumpism-wins/2020/11/04/ca79be4c-1e91-11eb-90dd-abd0f7086a91_story.html

So you were hoping for a “repudiation.” A resounding rejection of Trump and Trumpism.

Election officials and news outlets had spent the better part of the month warning us that this would be an election week not an election day, and still in some liberal circles, there was a jacked-up fantasy that nobody would have to wait for Pennsylvania’s tortured ballot count because by 10 p.m. Joe Biden would turn Florida and North Carolina blue — and maybe Texas, why not?

Sorry. As John King or Steve Kornacki spent the night informing viewers from their respective magic walls, Donald Trump over-performed in myriad polling measures. There would be no landslides, only squeakers and clenched jaws — and, possibly, court fights.

Win or lose, Trumpism will not have been swept into the dustbin of history; it will remain all over the furniture. It’s part of the furniture. Unsweepable.

Anecdote isn’t evidence, but I’ll note that for the past two years, the demographic in my inbox who most fervently believed in a 2020 blue landslide were White liberal men and occasionally White liberal women. Surely, they insisted, what had happened in 2016 was a blip. Hillary Clinton had been uniquely flawed, the country uniquely complacent, Donald Trump uniquely novel. The results didn’t really reflect America. Black women would save the party; Black women would save us all.

The Black women who wrote to me, meanwhile, were exhausted and often worried. To them, 2016 didn’t feel like a blip. It felt like the America they’d already been living in for decades was finally made visible to the rest of the country. Yes, it had always been racist. Yes, it had always been sexist. Yes, yes, yes.

If you, like Joe Biden, have had the recurring privilege of sadly shaking your head and saying, “This isn’t who we are,” what you really meant was, “This isn’t who I’ve ever had to see us be.” What you really meant was, “This isn’t my America . . .Crap, is it yours?”

Meanwhile, the Supreme Court was reshaped, and conspiracy theories multiplied, and 230,000 Americans died in a pandemic, and children were in cages, and however the race ends up, as of mid-Wednesday morning Donald Trump had amassed 3 million more votes nationwide than he did in 2016: according to exit polls, he performed worse among White men, but slightly better among voters of color (Biden, at the same time Wednesday, was ahead in the popular vote by more than 2 million). On Tuesday a Georgia congressional seat was won by a QAnon believer, and a North Carolina seat was won by a 25-year-old Republican who used the dawning moments of his term as a United States representative to tweet out, “Cry more, lib.”

The bad parts of America are not blips, they’re characteristics. For every stone monument to democracy, an enslaved person forced to build a monument to democracy. For every “All men are created equal,” a reminder that it really did only mean men, and only some of them. For every barrier-breaker like Sarah McBride, the newly elected transgender Delaware state senator, who openheartedly tweeted, “Thank you, thank you, thank you,” there is a “cry more, lib.” Do you know how hard it is to love this place sometimes?

Maybe the closeness of this election will make us revisit Hillary Clinton: It wasn’t so much that she was flawed as that we were. Older white male candidates don’t guarantee a tidal wave, either.

Still, votes are being counted.

Wisconsin was red for most of the night, and then Milwaukee and the mail-ins arrived, and around 4 or 5 in the morning, Biden pulled tenuously ahead. By 9 a.m. CNN’s chryon read, “Biden takes lead in tight Michigan race,” and a Detroit election official tersely told Chris Cuomo that more results could have come in while she was waiting on air to talk to him.

Pennsylvania isn’t guaranteeing anything until Friday, officials have said, and chances are decent that it will come down to Pennsylvania again. Georgia isn’t out of the game for Democrats, either — its mail-in ballots are still trickling in.

Biden might not lose. But some of the pillars of Americana he ran on — decency, truthfulness (or at least accountability for lying your tail off), a prevailing respect for science and history — may emerge all the shakier.

You can’t effectively repudiate a worldview that nearly half the country believes in. Or at least, is willing to vote for.

yeah, i hoped it was a blip. it ain't. i may have to just stop paying attention. 

Great news SC!  Keep the twitter updates coming.

JimmyV said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1324071062359969795?s=20

While I hope this is true, I will believe this when I see it. 

Im thinking the Trump camp knows the calculation, which is why team Rudy is rushing to Philadelphia

Ledbetterman10 said:

Breaking news:

Kanye West has conceded the election. He received about 60,000 votes nationwide. 

Goofy as the whole thing was, he actually received more votes in Iowa than the Green Party candidate. Close margin though. Will Hawkins demand a recount?

Well that does it.  I'm going to kill myself.   

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1324071062359969795?s=20

Thinking about out spring chats about sanders and m4a. Hopefully this election demonstrates America is at least ten years away from supporting policies like that. Maybe more.

If Biden picked either Sanders or Warren as a running mate, trump wins by a larger margin than last time imo.

Florida voted for 15 dollar minimun wage, but for Trump.

What does that demonstrate about this America?

I don't know, but they both seem tied to individual wealth and the American dream of being filthy rich.