Anyone here tried this new thing called "jogging" ?

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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    I haven’t missed a lift since January but I just can’t get into cardio.  Someone give me a pep talk.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,809
    If you want to enjoy life into your late 90s to see they 72 grandkids and great grandkids you guys will have then your weight lifting is only part of the equation.  You need to mix in 1-2 days of cardio per week!

    That could be your Why....once you have a Why, you have everything you need.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    edited September 2020
    I like it Brett. Thank you.  
    Just did 21:00 2.38 on the elliptical.  It s a good start.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,809
    There you go!

    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    F Me In The Brain said:
    17 m this morning.  Rained lightly for the first 6 miles.  The last three miles it rained pretty hard.

    Joy.


    Awesome effort! If you can find all-weather versions of your favorite shoes, I highly recommend them -- the soles drain faster, some are even waterproof. Quick-draining = less feeling like you have cinderblocks attached to your ankles.

    I ran 14 this morning, longest I've run in a while. I'm training for a half that isn't going to happen. Oh well. :s
    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,809
    Excellent!  

    Good call on the shoes I will take a look.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    mcgruff10 said:
    I haven’t missed a lift since January but I just can’t get into cardio.  Someone give me a pep talk.  

    I think it's all about finding the cardio you enjoy -- doesn't have to be running, could be biking, swimming, skating; I got a slideboard that I'm trying for cross-training. It could be CrossFit. As my kids' doctor said, the best exercise is the kind you will do consistently.

    I'll say that I am NOT a big proponent of HIIT for cardio. Research is showing that most people just don't go at it hard enough to get the benefits it's supposed to offer. And while my heartrate skyrockets when I'm deadlifting for 20 reps,  that's not really enough cardio to build stamina and heart health.

    Like F Me said, you need to find your Why. Being able to play with your grandkids is good motivation. If, like some of us, you struggle with anxiety, depression or addiction, cardio can help with that (although TBH I get a big emotional boost from lifting, too). Getting outdoors in the winter helps combat SAD. Having the time to clear your head, turn off parts of your brain, and go with the flow is important for many of us.

    There's a lot of back-and-forth between the running world and the lifting world, i.e. will cardio kill my gains? I believe current consensus is, a LOT of cardio will eat into your gains. Personal example:  I used to run 65 miles/ week (now I do 50), and hitting the gym for leg day after running 10.5 miles that morning was brutal. Cutting back on my mileage led to strength gains in the gym. But what I've read recently suggests that as long as you are running for less than an hour, you should be okay gains-wise. 
    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    curmudgeoness said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I haven’t missed a lift since January but I just can’t get into cardio.  Someone give me a pep talk.  

    I think it's all about finding the cardio you enjoy -- doesn't have to be running, could be biking, swimming, skating; I got a slideboard that I'm trying for cross-training. It could be CrossFit. As my kids' doctor said, the best exercise is the kind you will do consistently.

    I'll say that I am NOT a big proponent of HIIT for cardio. Research is showing that most people just don't go at it hard enough to get the benefits it's supposed to offer. And while my heartrate skyrockets when I'm deadlifting for 20 reps,  that's not really enough cardio to build stamina and heart health.

    Like F Me said, you need to find your Why. Being able to play with your grandkids is good motivation. If, like some of us, you struggle with anxiety, depression or addiction, cardio can help with that (although TBH I get a big emotional boost from lifting, too). Getting outdoors in the winter helps combat SAD. Having the time to clear your head, turn off parts of your brain, and go with the flow is important for many of us.

    There's a lot of back-and-forth between the running world and the lifting world, i.e. will cardio kill my gains? I believe current consensus is, a LOT of cardio will eat into your gains. Personal example:  I used to run 65 miles/ week (now I do 50), and hitting the gym for leg day after running 10.5 miles that morning was brutal. Cutting back on my mileage led to strength gains in the gym. But what I've read recently suggests that as long as you are running for less than an hour, you should be okay gains-wise. 
    great advice!  thank you.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,080
    F Me In The Brain said:
    The rain was not too big a deal until I hit a puddle that was deeper than I thought and my feet were quite a bit heavier for the rest of the time.

    Great job on expanding the normal boundaries of your distance.  Seems like you are comfortable at 5-6+ now!
    Thanks. All of you super long distance runners on here certainly have my admiration. I will likely never reach those kinds of mileage. But I learned in yoga a long time ago not to compare myself to others, but to measure my progress against myself. So, in that respect I have gone from 3.5-4 miles runs to 5-6.5 mile runs. That is progress for me. I am going to likely stop here for a while and savor this before trying to kick it up again in several months. 
  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,080
    edited September 2020
    curmudgeoness said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I haven’t missed a lift since January but I just can’t get into cardio.  Someone give me a pep talk.  

    I think it's all about finding the cardio you enjoy -- doesn't have to be running, could be biking, swimming, skating; I got a slideboard that I'm trying for cross-training. It could be CrossFit. As my kids' doctor said, the best exercise is the kind you will do consistently.

    I'll say that I am NOT a big proponent of HIIT for cardio. Research is showing that most people just don't go at it hard enough to get the benefits it's supposed to offer. And while my heartrate skyrockets when I'm deadlifting for 20 reps,  that's not really enough cardio to build stamina and heart health.

    Like F Me said, you need to find your Why. Being able to play with your grandkids is good motivation. If, like some of us, you struggle with anxiety, depression or addiction, cardio can help with that (although TBH I get a big emotional boost from lifting, too). Getting outdoors in the winter helps combat SAD. Having the time to clear your head, turn off parts of your brain, and go with the flow is important for many of us.

    There's a lot of back-and-forth between the running world and the lifting world, i.e. will cardio kill my gains? I believe current consensus is, a LOT of cardio will eat into your gains. Personal example:  I used to run 65 miles/ week (now I do 50), and hitting the gym for leg day after running 10.5 miles that morning was brutal. Cutting back on my mileage led to strength gains in the gym. But what I've read recently suggests that as long as you are running for less than an hour, you should be okay gains-wise. 
    As always, your advice is spot on and very informative. I have been learning quite a bit from this thread in general. It also has a great motivation factor. It is nice to have to have people to share with. Some of my friends are sick of my talking about running  :s
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  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    GlowGirl said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    The rain was not too big a deal until I hit a puddle that was deeper than I thought and my feet were quite a bit heavier for the rest of the time.

    Great job on expanding the normal boundaries of your distance.  Seems like you are comfortable at 5-6+ now!
    Thanks. All of you super long distance runners on here certainly have my admiration. I will likely never reach those kinds of mileage. But I learned in yoga a long time ago not to compare myself to others, but to measure my progress against myself. So, in that respect I have gone from 3.5-4 miles runs to 5-6.5 mile runs. That is progress for me. I am going to likely stop here for a while and savor this before trying to kick it up again in several months. 
    I think that's a great attitude to have! Do what works for you, keep it enjoyable. :-)

    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    For what it's worth, I see that Brooks has introduced its latest waterproof running shoe, the Ghost GTX. It's $160 (the Goretex shoes cost more than regular ones).

    I've never bought a GTX shoe from Brooks (I've tried their ASR shoes -- all-season runners). But I'm really liking the regular Ghost (switched from Adrenalines about 18 months ago) and am a long-time (25 years+) Brooks customer. (No, I'm not paid to say that.)

    I think the Goretex shoe could be overkill for most people, but if you live somewhere such as the PNW where it's generally wet, and especially if you like to do trail running, I think it could be money well spent.

    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    Meanwhile, my "yogging" remains an indoor activity until air quality improves. :-(
    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,809
    Thanks for the share.  ghosts are what I wear as well.  I tried a lighter Brooks shoes but sent it back.  My feet like the Ghosts better.
    Will bookmark the GTX ones and see - well, the men's version.  ;)

    18 on Saturday and I felt much better than I did the previous weekend on 17.  Ankle is still what it is but everything else recovered better.
    This morning's 5 seemed a breeze.  Was in 40s when I left but had a sweat going in no time and it was comfortable.

    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,080
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Thanks for the share.  ghosts are what I wear as well.  I tried a lighter Brooks shoes but sent it back.  My feet like the Ghosts better.
    Will bookmark the GTX ones and see - well, the men's version.  ;)

    18 on Saturday and I felt much better than I did the previous weekend on 17.  Ankle is still what it is but everything else recovered better.
    This morning's 5 seemed a breeze.  Was in 40s when I left but had a sweat going in no time and it was comfortable.

    Yay for 18 miles!!! Glad you are feeling better. I heard that Brooks are great. I am happy with my ASICs for now, but will check out Brooks at some point. Glad you are recovering. I know ankles can take a while. My last two runs were hard for some reason. I was simply not motivated. It just felt like effort. I did 6.5 on Saturday, and 5 yesterday. Don't know why my motivation is so low. I will be out there again tomorrow morning. Maybe, it will be more enjoyable. Posting on this thread sometimes motivates me, so maybe this will work.

  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,809
    Make a commitment to find a stretch in there tomorrow that is enjoyable.  Hate the first two miles ...or the last two....but open yourself up to trying to enjoy some stretch.  Put yourself for a mile with no music and then go with something that gives you a great feeling.  (Who knows, just an idea/challenge!)
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,809
    curmudgeoness said:
    For what it's worth, I see that Brooks has introduced its latest waterproof running shoe, the Ghost GTX. It's $160 (the Goretex shoes cost more than regular ones).

    I've never bought a GTX shoe from Brooks (I've tried their ASR shoes -- all-season runners). But I'm really liking the regular Ghost (switched from Adrenalines about 18 months ago) and am a long-time (25 years+) Brooks customer. (No, I'm not paid to say that.)

    I think the Goretex shoe could be overkill for most people, but if you live somewhere such as the PNW where it's generally wet, and especially if you like to do trail running, I think it could be money well spent.

    Checked and the don't have wide.  No go with regular size....will have to keep my eyes open.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,080
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Make a commitment to find a stretch in there tomorrow that is enjoyable.  Hate the first two miles ...or the last two....but open yourself up to trying to enjoy some stretch.  Put yourself for a mile with no music and then go with something that gives you a great feeling.  (Who knows, just an idea/challenge!)
    Thanks. I think I am just tired. Work is picking up since it is getting to be midterm time for my semester. A lot of papers to grade, etc. So, I am feeling the stress, and it is spilling over onto my run. Hopefully, tomorrow will go better. I am going to try to get out there a bit earlier so I don't feel like I am wasting work time. I think that is part of the problem. My days are getting a bit packed for the next month or two. Onward and Upward!

  • crookedcross
    crookedcross Right Near Da Beach, Boiii Posts: 1,545
    edited October 2020
    F Me In The Brain said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    For what it's worth, I see that Brooks has introduced its latest waterproof running shoe, the Ghost GTX. It's $160 (the Goretex shoes cost more than regular ones).

    I've never bought a GTX shoe from Brooks (I've tried their ASR shoes -- all-season runners). But I'm really liking the regular Ghost (switched from Adrenalines about 18 months ago) and am a long-time (25 years+) Brooks customer. (No, I'm not paid to say that.)

    I think the Goretex shoe could be overkill for most people, but if you live somewhere such as the PNW where it's generally wet, and especially if you like to do trail running, I think it could be money well spent.

    Checked and the don't have wide.  No go with regular size....will have to keep my eyes open.
    Dude, perfect time for this thread to go back to shoes... just want to thank you for recommending Brooks. For the first time ever I went to an actual running store. Finally got the time to go this week. They watched me walk and run etc and the girl helping me gave me a dozen options until we got it down to two. She made sure I was sure with how my feet felt which I thought was real cool and meticulous of her. Must've been there an hour. I was starting to breathe hard from all the running to try the shoes she made me try, but was trying to act cool. Lol Sure enough, Brooks was the last one standing. Ended up with the Glycerine. Turns out I'm not full Neanderthal and was only a 2e. They were pretty expensive @ $140, but I said fuck it. Took em for a quick 4 miles today and I've never ran in shoes this fucking comfortable. I have some plantar fasciitis too and these shoes really help embrace the suck. 
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  • crookedcross
    crookedcross Right Near Da Beach, Boiii Posts: 1,545
    Side note. I asked about shoes here a few weeks ago, but didn't get the chance to take the time and go to a real running store until this week. While waiting for the chance to go, I picked up a pair of Nike Reacts that were on sale for $40 and they were also very comfortable if anyone is looking for a cheap alternative. 

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