dignin said:

static111 said:

dignin said:

mickeyrat said:

dignin said:

Just like Trump, the guy makes fun of people for wearing masks. During a pandemic. That's dangerous.

There is a long list of conspiracy theories he has peddled to his audience of millions, that's also very dangerous.

the nerve. who does he think he is? some kind of comedian?

That's a pretty convenient excuse. If he was just a comedian, then why does he have serious guests on and discuss serious content. Why is he even being brought up as a possible debate moderator?

You can't have it both ways. 

Does anyone think that people don't take him seriously? Just because you don't, doesn't mean that others don't. He has an audience of millions.

The conspiracy driven discourse we currently find ourselves in didn't happen in a vacuum. Joe Rogan is a part of that.

Johnny Carson, David Letterman, Leno, Colbert.  All comedians that have had crazy people on their shows! It’s kind of like it’s an American tradition.

Joe Rogan is the host, and he's the crazy person. 

I can't think of any of those hosts spouting conspiracy nonsense.

Joe Rogan is just a 21st century podcaster.  The evolution of the popular talk show format of the XX century. 

there is a valid point in what dignin is trying to say: Joe Rogan has a massive audience. Some of which take everything he says at his word. Does he have a responsibility to the idiots to change his style, or should he just be as he started, just a guy in his basement chatting with his buddies getting stoned, and it happens to be over the airwaves?

he's not a journalist. he's a conversationalist. he likes to have conversations with people, whether they be ted nugent or neil de grasse tyson.

Most of us are smart enough to know the difference. Does fame automatically obligate you to change your behaviour? In this case, because he comes right out and says what he is, I say no. I say he is successful because of this format and his style, and he should stick to it. 

do I think he should host a debate with two presidential candidates? No, I don't. at least not one sanctioned by the committees. if they want to sit down on their own time and shoot the shit, have at er. But I think Biden would have to be insane to agree to that prior to the election. Seems more of a "once biden is out of office" type of podcast to have. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

there is a valid point in what dignin is trying to say: Joe Rogan has a massive audience. Some of which take everything he says at his word. Does he have a responsibility to the idiots to change his style, or should he just be as he started, just a guy in his basement chatting with his buddies getting stoned, and it happens to be over the airwaves?

he's not a journalist. he's a conversationalist. he likes to have conversations with people, whether they be ted nugent or neil de grasse tyson.

Most of us are smart enough to know the difference. Does fame automatically obligate you to change your behaviour? In this case, because he comes right out and says what he is, I say no. I say he is successful because of this format and his style, and he should stick to it. 

do I think he should host a debate with two presidential candidates? No, I don't. at least not one sanctioned by the committees. if they want to sit down on their own time and shoot the shit, have at er. But I think Biden would have to be insane to agree to that prior to the election. Seems more of a "once biden is out of office" type of podcast to have. 

I have to agree with you here.   I see dignin’s point a bit clearer from this angle.   If joe was saying he was a genius and has all the answers and not to question him like Shapiro, Limbaugh and Hannity that’s one thing, but the guy says that he is a stoned dude having a talk show in his basement and likes to talk....I mean I first listened when he had Steven Tyler on and I checked out NDT, Musk, Bernie and others and when he has serious guests he’s serious....when he has but cases on he just gets stoned and follows that nutcase thread and says that his show is entertainment, so I have a hard time finding Joe Rogan on the enemies list.

HughFreakingDillon said:

one thing that gets to me is that he doesn't tend to challenge his guests on the hard issues, which goes to my earlier point that he doesn't consider himself a journalist of any kind. which can give rise to the "he shouldn't give pedophiles and white supremacists a platform", to which I agree with somewhat; if he'd at least call out their bullshit, I'd be ok with it, but to have alex jones on, tell everyone he's your buddy and he's harmless can give credence to the guy in the eyes of the general public. he has said on multiple occasions that jones is nuts and he legitimately worries about him, but never when he's sitting there in front of him. which is when people are watching. 

I don’t think he’s had Alex on since he went full crazy has he?

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

one thing that gets to me is that he doesn't tend to challenge his guests on the hard issues, which goes to my earlier point that he doesn't consider himself a journalist of any kind. which can give rise to the "he shouldn't give pedophiles and white supremacists a platform", to which I agree with somewhat; if he'd at least call out their bullshit, I'd be ok with it, but to have alex jones on, tell everyone he's your buddy and he's harmless can give credence to the guy in the eyes of the general public. he has said on multiple occasions that jones is nuts and he legitimately worries about him, but never when he's sitting there in front of him. which is when people are watching. 

I don’t think he’s had Alex on since he went full crazy has he?

i'm not sure what you are referring to, I don't follow alex jones really, but in the second one they talked a lot about alex having undergone some type of crazy episode in his life. 

dignin said:

DewieCox said:

What conspiracy nonsense?

Fake moon landing, 9/11 truth type stuff to name a few. It's all out there.

Apparently he backs down from some of that stuff when really challenged, which is good, but he sure likes a good conspiracy theory. 

The one thing I heard from him specifically referencing that was that it did indeed take those who wanted to fly those planes on 9/11 to conspire together to do so. “Conspiracy” is sometimes used literally, no?

I find it all curiously humorous. He’s a guy with a show, answers to no one, admits when he’s wrong, ignorant or misinformed. It seems like some fear him, or his supposed sway?

Also, I haven’t witnessed the speaking out of both sides of the mouth thing, but I’m not a fan of that either, from anyone. 

dignin said:

hedonist said:

dignin said:

DewieCox said:

What conspiracy nonsense?

Fake moon landing, 9/11 truth type stuff to name a few. It's all out there.

Apparently he backs down from some of that stuff when really challenged, which is good, but he sure likes a good conspiracy theory. 

The one thing I heard from him specifically referencing that was that it did indeed take those who wanted to fly those planes on 9/11 to conspire together to do so. “Conspiracy” is sometimes used literally, no?

I find it all curiously humorous. He’s a guy with a show, answers to no one, admits when he’s wrong, ignorant or misinformed. It seems like some fear him, or his supposed sway?

Also, I haven’t witnessed the speaking out of both sides of the mouth thing, but I’m not a fan of that either, from anyone. 

He's stated that he thinks tower 7 was a controlled demolition.

Who knows what he says now.

I don't fear him, I think that people should be informed. 

Yeah, I don’t watch him regularly enough to know the all the minutiae or how/when his views shift. 

He had Snowden on today; may check it out later.