Donald Trump

mrussel1 · September 2020

bootlegger10 said:

I can at least understand the not-panic perspective even if I don’t agree with it. Even if he wanted to go that route there is no excuse to belittle people for wearing masks. The country is not going to panic if they are asked to wear masks. He is ridiculous.

I can too. The guy who yells about caravans, terrorists, left wing mobs burning our cities down definitely does not want to cause a panic. I appreciate his benevolence on this.

Gern Blansten · September 2020

Lerxst1992 said:

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Anyone have a link to the audio of these tapes?

Cnn.com. I think they’re everywhere

Yeah it's here: https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/bob-woodward-rage-book-trump-coronavirus/index.html

I don't think this is a big a deathnail in his presidency as you've made it out to be in your previous few posts....because it's not really new information. He's been minimizing the threat the entire time. He'll spin the audio as "not trying to cause a panic" being a positive thing (it's not, but that's how it'll be spun). And it's consistent with how he's been the entire time. "There's 15 cases, but it'll be down to zero next week." There's been millions of cases. "It will go away when the weather gets warm." It didn't. And various other examples of him minimizing it. I don't think this audio is any worse than those statements. Actually, it's better. Those statements were flat-out false and he sounded stupid saying them. Here, again from a spin-perspective, he could at least hang his red hat on not wanting to cause a panic.

All that said, this will be used in ads against him and could hurt him. But I don't think it's any more "devestating" than the rest of his day-to-day bullshit be used in ads against him.

When people look back at this race, they're gonna talk about this book and the tapes, in particular, as the pivotal moment. Just wait and see. I know they just came out, and I am speculating, but yeah, this is a pretty, pretty big deal, folks.

Looking forward to 60 Minutes on Sunday.

to be fair, i think future generations are going to look at the tape of him mocking the r,disabled reporter on the campaign in 2016 and wonder how the fuck he survived that moment. the rest just adds to the astonishment.

True. I'm specifically talking about the state of this campaign though. I think Biden's picking up momentum from this.

as long as he can remain coherent on his campaign stops and during the debates....which is a big if.

Debates will be huge, no doubt. One of the main differences between this year and 2016, other than Biden's steady lead and consistently sitting around 50% compared to HRC in the mid 40's, is how many people have already made up their minds though.

We may be focusing on the wrong recordings today. It may not be the covid one that seals trumps fate.

It might be his use of the p word this time that sinks him.

All Biden needs to do to win the debates:

" Y'know Don, we have many generals and military leaders watching us debate right now, who didn't get their daddy to bribe a doctor to get them a medical deferment to avoid serving America in wartime.

Please Don, look straight into the camera and explain to your fellow Americans how these leaders and Generals are pussies and you are not."

Mic drop.

I like this but Biden got deferrals too....not as suspect as tRump's of course

Gern Blansten · September 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

Gern Blansten said:

Will it matter to his 40%? Unfortunately I doubt it...

Who cares about them? It's the other 5% who seem to be on board with him every now and then who matters.

ALL polling says Covid is far and away the biggest issue right now. Here we have ON TAPE Trump admitting he downplayed the fucking thing.

Game over.

overheard in 2016: "here we have ON TAPE trump admitting he sexually assaults women. game over".

You realize an hour later trump had stone call assange to get the illegally seized emails released...which fed right into the "Hillary email" problem.

You realize we had no idea at the time trump was coordinating this with putin. You realize at the time we had no idea trump was sharing detailed polling data with Russian spies to micro target social media ads in WI & MI

You realize Biden is not Hilary?

i'm not sure what you are going on about. my post was basically highlighting the fact that over the past 5 years, every single idiotic/illegal thing he has done has been apparently "the end of his presidency", only it never was.

Yeah I have reached my limit on that phrase...I'm guilty of saying it myself. The GOP has sold its soul...otherwise we would have impeached that piece of shit.

josevolution · September 2020

Wait so he didn’t want to panic everybody on C19 yet every single day he’s spewing panic over mail in ballots lol you can’t make up how absurd he truly is besides being a total idiot!

Gern Blansten · September 2020

josevolution said:

Wait so he didn’t want to panic everybody on C19 yet every single day he’s spewing panic over mail in ballots lol you can’t make up how absurd he truly is besides being a total idiot!

Yeah that's the first thing I thought...he is giving daily speeches about how the suburbs will be overrun with black people if Biden is elected, chaos and anarchy if Biden is elected, etc....but he can't say "hey this thing is bad let's all wear masks and listen to Dr Fauci"

josevolution · September 2020

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1304060630656311296?s=21
Total panic! The blacks/brown people are coming blacks are coming blacks are coming!

Ledbetterman10 · September 2020

josevolution said:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1304060630656311296?s=21
Total panic! The blacks/brown people are coming blacks are coming blacks are coming!

So “low-income projects, anarchists, agitators, and looters” are all black and brown people? That’s what you’re saying? Because anyone who’s watched the footage of these riots knows that’s not the case. And obviously it’s not just black/brown people that live in projects. And Trump himself didn't make mention of anybody's color in that tweet. It's like you want him to be more racist than he already is.

Ledbetterman10 · September 2020

Woodward's getting criticism for withholding those Trump comments for so long. As he should. He interviewed Trump in late March. And now he comes out with it five months later to promote his book? I guess Woodward didn't want to create a panic.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/woodward-criticized-not-releasing-trump-s-covid-19-comments-sooner-n1239707

josevolution · September 2020

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1304060630656311296?s=21
Total panic! The blacks/brown people are coming blacks are coming blacks are coming!

So “low-income projects, anarchists, agitators, and looters” are all black and brown people? That’s what you’re saying? Because anyone who’s watched the footage of these riots knows that’s not the case. And obviously it’s not just black/brown people that live in projects. And Trump himself didn't make mention of anybody's color in that tweet. It's like you want him to be more racist than he already is.

lol yeah ok it’s evident who he means and you can choose to see it your way, he’s a racist POS human every one knows who he means except you I guess..

Ledbetterman10 · September 2020

josevolution said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1304060630656311296?s=21
Total panic! The blacks/brown people are coming blacks are coming blacks are coming!

So “low-income projects, anarchists, agitators, and looters” are all black and brown people? That’s what you’re saying? Because anyone who’s watched the footage of these riots knows that’s not the case. And obviously it’s not just black/brown people that live in projects. And Trump himself didn't make mention of anybody's color in that tweet. It's like you want him to be more racist than he already is.

lol yeah ok it’s evident who he means and you can choose to see it your way, he’s a racist POS human every one knows who he means except you I guess..

Let's break down Trump's comments based on all the footage of riots and "peaceful protests" over the past few months. Going by skin color, since that matters to you, what I've seen is....

Anarchists - mostly white
Agiators - mostly white
Looters - mostly black

mrussel1 · September 2020

Ledbetterman10 said:

Woodward's getting criticism for withholding those Trump comments for so long. As he should. He interviewed Trump in late March. And now he comes out with it five months later to promote his book? I guess Woodward didn't want to create a panic.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/woodward-criticized-not-releasing-trump-s-covid-19-comments-sooner-n1239707

Bob Woodward is the issue? The journalist? The author that wants to sell books? Sorry, that is bullshit and a distraction. Woodward is not a public health official or elected politician. Total distraction and deflection.

Ledbetterman10 · September 2020

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Woodward's getting criticism for withholding those Trump comments for so long. As he should. He interviewed Trump in late March. And now he comes out with it five months later to promote his book? I guess Woodward didn't want to create a panic.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/woodward-criticized-not-releasing-trump-s-covid-19-comments-sooner-n1239707

Bob Woodward is the issue? The journalist? The author that wants to sell books? Sorry, that is bullshit and a distraction. Woodward is not a public health official or elected politician. Total distraction and deflection.

No it's not deflecting at all. What would it deflect or distract from? It's saying that anybody that has the ability to expose any sort of Trump shadiness, especially regarding the dangers of a deadly virus, should do it as soon as possible. Not wait five months when you have the audio.

To be critical of Woodward (or Mueller, or any of your other "He's going to take down Trump" heroes) doesn't mean you're defending, sticking up for, or deflecting on behalf of Trump.

HughFreakingDillon · September 2020

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Woodward's getting criticism for withholding those Trump comments for so long. As he should. He interviewed Trump in late March. And now he comes out with it five months later to promote his book? I guess Woodward didn't want to create a panic.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/woodward-criticized-not-releasing-trump-s-covid-19-comments-sooner-n1239707

Bob Woodward is the issue? The journalist? The author that wants to sell books? Sorry, that is bullshit and a distraction. Woodward is not a public health official or elected politician. Total distraction and deflection.

No it's not deflecting at all. What would it deflect or distract from? It's saying that anybody that has the ability to expose any sort of Trump shadiness, especially regarding the dangers of a deadly virus, should do it as soon as possible. Not wait five months when you have the audio.

To be critical of Woodward (or Mueller, or any of your other "He's going to take down Trump" heroes) doesn't mean you're defending, sticking up for, or deflecting on behalf of Trump.

actually, it is a complete deflection to take the position that it was the responsibility of a guy interviewing the president instead of saying it was the responsibility of the president himself.

mrussel1 · September 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Woodward's getting criticism for withholding those Trump comments for so long. As he should. He interviewed Trump in late March. And now he comes out with it five months later to promote his book? I guess Woodward didn't want to create a panic.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/woodward-criticized-not-releasing-trump-s-covid-19-comments-sooner-n1239707

Bob Woodward is the issue? The journalist? The author that wants to sell books? Sorry, that is bullshit and a distraction. Woodward is not a public health official or elected politician. Total distraction and deflection.

No it's not deflecting at all. What would it deflect or distract from? It's saying that anybody that has the ability to expose any sort of Trump shadiness, especially regarding the dangers of a deadly virus, should do it as soon as possible. Not wait five months when you have the audio.

To be critical of Woodward (or Mueller, or any of your other "He's going to take down Trump" heroes) doesn't mean you're defending, sticking up for, or deflecting on behalf of Trump.

actually, it is a complete deflection to take the position that it was the responsibility of a guy interviewing the president instead of saying it was the responsibility of the president himself.

Yes, this is my position. This is nothing but muddying the issue, creating false equivalency.

Ledbetterman10 · September 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Woodward's getting criticism for withholding those Trump comments for so long. As he should. He interviewed Trump in late March. And now he comes out with it five months later to promote his book? I guess Woodward didn't want to create a panic.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/woodward-criticized-not-releasing-trump-s-covid-19-comments-sooner-n1239707

Bob Woodward is the issue? The journalist? The author that wants to sell books? Sorry, that is bullshit and a distraction. Woodward is not a public health official or elected politician. Total distraction and deflection.

No it's not deflecting at all. What would it deflect or distract from? It's saying that anybody that has the ability to expose any sort of Trump shadiness, especially regarding the dangers of a deadly virus, should do it as soon as possible. Not wait five months when you have the audio.

To be critical of Woodward (or Mueller, or any of your other "He's going to take down Trump" heroes) doesn't mean you're defending, sticking up for, or deflecting on behalf of Trump.

actually, it is a complete deflection to take the position that it was the responsibility of a guy interviewing the president instead of saying it was the responsibility of the president himself.

No, because I'm not absolving Trump of any responsibility. If anything, I'm asking to hold him accountable (or provide the information that will allow the public to hold him accountable) sooner.

HughFreakingDillon · September 2020

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Woodward's getting criticism for withholding those Trump comments for so long. As he should. He interviewed Trump in late March. And now he comes out with it five months later to promote his book? I guess Woodward didn't want to create a panic.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/woodward-criticized-not-releasing-trump-s-covid-19-comments-sooner-n1239707

Bob Woodward is the issue? The journalist? The author that wants to sell books? Sorry, that is bullshit and a distraction. Woodward is not a public health official or elected politician. Total distraction and deflection.

No it's not deflecting at all. What would it deflect or distract from? It's saying that anybody that has the ability to expose any sort of Trump shadiness, especially regarding the dangers of a deadly virus, should do it as soon as possible. Not wait five months when you have the audio.

To be critical of Woodward (or Mueller, or any of your other "He's going to take down Trump" heroes) doesn't mean you're defending, sticking up for, or deflecting on behalf of Trump.

actually, it is a complete deflection to take the position that it was the responsibility of a guy interviewing the president instead of saying it was the responsibility of the president himself.

No, because I'm not absolving Trump of any responsibility. If anything, I'm asking to hold him accountable (or provide the information that will allow the public to hold him accountable) sooner.

yes, and you're putting the onus on the interviewer to do so. maybe he was hoping that there was SOMEONE in the administration with a soul that would right the ship?

dignin · September 2020

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1304060630656311296?s=21
Total panic! The blacks/brown people are coming blacks are coming blacks are coming!

So “low-income projects, anarchists, agitators, and looters” are all black and brown people? That’s what you’re saying? Because anyone who’s watched the footage of these riots knows that’s not the case. And obviously it’s not just black/brown people that live in projects. And Trump himself didn't make mention of anybody's color in that tweet. It's like you want him to be more racist than he already is.

Oh come on now. This shit is very apparent. Anyone with a simple understanding of the historical context knows exactly what Trump is up to with that kind of language.

Ledbetterman10 · September 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Woodward's getting criticism for withholding those Trump comments for so long. As he should. He interviewed Trump in late March. And now he comes out with it five months later to promote his book? I guess Woodward didn't want to create a panic.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/woodward-criticized-not-releasing-trump-s-covid-19-comments-sooner-n1239707

Bob Woodward is the issue? The journalist? The author that wants to sell books? Sorry, that is bullshit and a distraction. Woodward is not a public health official or elected politician. Total distraction and deflection.

No it's not deflecting at all. What would it deflect or distract from? It's saying that anybody that has the ability to expose any sort of Trump shadiness, especially regarding the dangers of a deadly virus, should do it as soon as possible. Not wait five months when you have the audio.

To be critical of Woodward (or Mueller, or any of your other "He's going to take down Trump" heroes) doesn't mean you're defending, sticking up for, or deflecting on behalf of Trump.

actually, it is a complete deflection to take the position that it was the responsibility of a guy interviewing the president instead of saying it was the responsibility of the president himself.

No, because I'm not absolving Trump of any responsibility. If anything, I'm asking to hold him accountable (or provide the information that will allow the public to hold him accountable) sooner.

yes, and you're putting the onus on the interviewer to do so. maybe he was hoping that there was SOMEONE in the administration with a soul that would right the ship?

That ship has sailed and a guy that has closely covered presidents for decades knows that. This administration isn’t like any of the others, and you should know that.

HughFreakingDillon · September 2020

so it's up to him. got it.

Ledbetterman10 · September 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

so it's up to him. got it.

It's up to him to do whatever he wants with the information he has. If he wants to present it to the public, or to the congress, or to whoever might benefit from hearing it as soon as possible, he could. If he wants to sit on it for 5 months, and use it to promote a book, he could. He chose the latter.

Donald Trump

Comments

Categories