mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

oftenreading said:

mace1229 said:

DewieCox said:

Why does it matter what he did? He’s standing there with his hands up and gets kicked from behind. We might all agree he deserves a jump kick but police simply have to be better than this video shows, regardless of what happened before.

It matters 100%. If he just shot someone and cops are ordering him to lay on the ground and he's refusing, you don't think that matters? 
And for the record I never said it was his fault, I just said I would like to know the context, because context and facts do matter. It was said he was eating brunch and was a case of mistaken identity, and if that's the case then yes its a terrible job on the cops.

No, you are incorrect. The police can not assault a compliant suspect who is not posing a threat just because they feel like it. He clearly did not have a gun in his hands, his hands were in view, and he was standing still. If police had actually ordered him to lie down and he did not, then they stay there until he does and they use different tactics, they don’t just kick him out of the blue. 

I feel like we can go in circles. From that short clip I don't know he's not armed and not posing a threat. That's why I said context matters in a clip. If he just robbed a liquor store and shot the clerk and they think he still has the gun on him and he refuses to get on the ground, absolutely they kick him to the ground.
Now it sounds like that isn't the case, but I didn't know that when I made my first comment asking for context. If what you said is true, he was eating brunch and this was mistaken identity, then this was a terrible job by the police and there should be consequences, I don't disagree.
I just don't understand why whenever someone asks for more information here they are treated like the bad guys. Why is information bad?

if he had a gun and was standing there ready to surrender, kicking him in the back, which made him turn around, is probably the worst thing a cop could do. he could have drawn his gun and shot him. 

information isn't bad. there are some instances where questions need to be answered. in my opinion, this clearly was not one of those instances. 

We’ll have to disagree I guess. If someone’s a threat they are less of a threat face down on the ground, that’s why they ask people to do that who pose a big threat. If they aren’t complying with that order, they should be knocked down.
But it’s a moot point as I’ve learned that wasn’t the case here, and have since said several times after learning the details this was poor policing at best. Excessive force was used and appropriate reprimands should follow.
But some are so anti cop here that merely just asking questions and not immediately demanding justice despite having little to none of the story is offensive and will consider looking for facts as supporting bad policing. 

tempo_n_groove said:

That cop should not have kicked that guy in the back.  That is NEVER warranted.

The comment about handcuffing someone as "Shackling" is race baiting.  Good job.

Smellyman said:

Yikes.  If true......Not surprising.

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2020/08/31/whistleblower--deputy-killed-teen-to-join-department-s--gang--

Whistleblower: California Deputy Killed Teen to Join Department’s “Gang”

Los Angeles – The deputy who shot and killed 18-year-old Andres Guardado outside a car shop in Gardena was a prospective member of a violent clique inside the Compton Sheriff’s station, according to the sworn testimony of a whistleblower.

Miguel Vega’s attorney did not respond to a request for comment but the law firm working with Guardado’s family, Panish Shea and Boyle LLP, confirmed they are looking into the allegations.

DewieCox said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

That cop should not have kicked that guy in the back.  That is NEVER warranted.

The comment about handcuffing someone as "Shackling" is race baiting.  Good job.

Handcuffs are used on your wrists to control your hands and arms. Shackles are used on your ankles to control your feet and legs. He was shackled at his ankle on legs and feet that are paralyzed. Nice reminder to him and his family of times of yore. Have you heard the sheriff of Kenosha speak to warehousing blacks and preventing them from having kids? Nice race baiting. Oh, he was comatose too and a real flight risk and threat.

Is it SOP to shackle someone in a bed  connected to a bunch of machines by way of upper body. I can understand why the staff would want to keep that area free while still following the protocol for a flight risk. 

Halifax2TheMax said:

DewieCox said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

That cop should not have kicked that guy in the back.  That is NEVER warranted.

The comment about handcuffing someone as "Shackling" is race baiting.  Good job.

Handcuffs are used on your wrists to control your hands and arms. Shackles are used on your ankles to control your feet and legs. He was shackled at his ankle on legs and feet that are paralyzed. Nice reminder to him and his family of times of yore. Have you heard the sheriff of Kenosha speak to warehousing blacks and preventing them from having kids? Nice race baiting. Oh, he was comatose too and a real flight risk and threat.

Is it SOP to shackle someone in a bed  connected to a bunch of machines by way of upper body. I can understand why the staff would want to keep that area free while still following the protocol for a flight risk. 

Someone in a coma and paralyzed from the waist down is not a flight risk, never mind having had their colon removed and suffering from liver and kidney damage.

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

You might be surprised as to how many high profile black individuals report still being regularly stopped and hassled by police. I’m seeing stories about this regularly in the media lately. Being wealthy and even relatively famous doesn’t mean this stops. 

I can’t remember who it was but recently a Black musician posted a story about how often he is stopped when he’s out in his expensive sports car and the general disbelief of the police that he is actually the legal owner. 

Often, I get it and I read it too and that is part of the point though.  Being pulled over and profiled is different to me than being hunted down and killed but if it is done a certain way then I can see it that way.

I'm thinking about this more and empathizing.

I think that if I were being repeatedly stopped by police when I was doing nothing wrong, simply because they assumed I was a thief or worse because of the colour of my skin, I might start to feel hunted. And each time I was stopped by police I’m sure there would be massive anxiety - what if this is the one? What if this cop is the guy who misinterprets me reaching for my ID as reaching for a gun, what if this is the time that he barks contradictory orders and then decides I’m not complying? What if this is the time the cop shoots? Then I would definitely feel hunted. 

@oftenreading I took your advice and decided to talk to one of my buddies about this.  I literally had no idea what POC go through when they are pulled over.

We had a long and deep conversation about a few things.  He thanked me after for asking the questions I did and I want to thank you also for challenging me.

I appreciate you letting me (us) know, but much more I appreciate that you had the conversation you had, even though it meant leaving the comfort zone.