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  • Ledbetterman10
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
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    I'll ask Milt (the best wide receiver the Winnipeg Blue Bombers/CFL has ever seen) if he has more info. 
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  • mace1229
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I just watched a video of a black guy with his hands at the back of his head, standing perfectly still, complying with officers as they surrounded him. one of them then jumpkicked him in the fucking back, causing him to turn around and be like "WTF?" so then the cops start tackling him and beating him for "resisting". then his girlfriend, filming from their car, gets choked by another officer before the video stops. 

    yeah, just comply. 

    UNREAL. 
    I would still recommend compliance. And here's why. How much worse would it have been if he was throwing punches? Instead, we have a video that he can show in social media to spread awareness and start bringing change. It used to be uncommon to post things like this, it was just accepted by some. Bring more awareness, bring in legal action, bring in change. I can't see how starting a physical fight is going to help anyone out in this case.
  • mace1229
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    All that being said above, there is still no context to this video. As bad as it looks, videos still need context. I know the usual haters are going to have fun with that, but its true. DId they just commit armed robbery and have they been yelling at him for 5 minutes to get on his knees and he doesn't? I would be okay with knocking him to the ground if that is the case.
    Was this for driving without insurance and some punk cop was looking to take a cheap shot? He should be charged with assualt and fired if that is the case. But we have no idea. Its hard to get fired up when I have zero information leading up to a short video like that.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mace1229 said:
    All that being said above, there is still no context to this video. As bad as it looks, videos still need context. I know the usual haters are going to have fun with that, but its true. DId they just commit armed robbery and have they been yelling at him for 5 minutes to get on his knees and he doesn't? I would be okay with knocking him to the ground if that is the case.
    Was this for driving without insurance and some punk cop was looking to take a cheap shot? He should be charged with assualt and fired if that is the case. But we have no idea. Its hard to get fired up when I have zero information leading up to a short video like that.

    If you click on the link, it says that he had just finished eating brunch and was in the parking lot when police rolled up and mistook him for someone else.

    There is never an excuse for police to assault a compliant individual who is standing still, hands raised, like that. 

    But I'm sure it's still his fault somehow. 
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  • DewieCox
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    Why does it matter what he did? He’s standing there with his hands up and gets kicked from behind. We might all agree he deserves a jump kick but police simply have to be better than this video shows, regardless of what happened before.
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    DewieCox said:
    Why does it matter what he did? He’s standing there with his hands up and gets kicked from behind. We might all agree he deserves a jump kick but police simply have to be better than this video shows, regardless of what happened before.
    exactly. the only time a video needs context is if the video starts mid-event. this one is clear: he's standing, compliant, hands back of the head, fingers crossed. and they still fucking kick him in the back. 

    what would they have done if the woman he was with wasn't recording??
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Jacob Blake was shackled to his hospital bed until today. Can someone please explain to me why the police, after shooting him 7 times in the back, paralyzing him from the waist down and having to have his colon removed and his kidneys and liver damaged, felt it necessary to shackle him by the ankle to his hospital bed? I'm sure someone can come up with a reasonable explanation. "Just comply."
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  • DewieCox
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    So someone doesn’t break him out, duh. 
  • mace1229
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    DewieCox said:
    Why does it matter what he did? He’s standing there with his hands up and gets kicked from behind. We might all agree he deserves a jump kick but police simply have to be better than this video shows, regardless of what happened before.
    It matters 100%. If he just shot someone and cops are ordering him to lay on the ground and he's refusing, you don't think that matters? 
    And for the record I never said it was his fault, I just said I would like to know the context, because context and facts do matter. It was said he was eating brunch and was a case of mistaken identity, and if that's the case then yes its a terrible job on the cops.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    DewieCox said:
    So someone doesn’t break him out, duh. 
    Those radical leftists and ANTIFA types sure are crafty. Don't prisons have hospital wings? I mean someone could come in and wheel him out in bed. In fact, he could have wheeled himself out in his bed.
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  • mace1229
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Jacob Blake was shackled to his hospital bed until today. Can someone please explain to me why the police, after shooting him 7 times in the back, paralyzing him from the waist down and having to have his colon removed and his kidneys and liver damaged, felt it necessary to shackle him by the ankle to his hospital bed? I'm sure someone can come up with a reasonable explanation. "Just comply."
    Because he's under arrest for sexual assualt. I believe its common practice to handcuff people while under arrest while in the hospital. Being shot doesnt eliminate his criminal record, I'm sure his sexual assault victim would also agree.
    And how is this an argument to not comply? If he had to do it over again do you think Blake would still fight back and reach for a knife, or do you think maybe he just wishes he went quietly?
    Yes, 7 times is excessive. But I don't see the argument against complying in this case, seems like pretty good reason to comply when being arrested actually.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mace1229 said:
    DewieCox said:
    Why does it matter what he did? He’s standing there with his hands up and gets kicked from behind. We might all agree he deserves a jump kick but police simply have to be better than this video shows, regardless of what happened before.
    It matters 100%. If he just shot someone and cops are ordering him to lay on the ground and he's refusing, you don't think that matters? 
    And for the record I never said it was his fault, I just said I would like to know the context, because context and facts do matter. It was said he was eating brunch and was a case of mistaken identity, and if that's the case then yes its a terrible job on the cops.
    No, you are incorrect. The police can not assault a compliant suspect who is not posing a threat just because they feel like it. He clearly did not have a gun in his hands, his hands were in view, and he was standing still. If police had actually ordered him to lie down and he did not, then they stay there until he does and they use different tactics, they don’t just kick him out of the blue. 
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  • DewieCox
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    Nah, doesn’t matter. Police don’t get a chance to put in their licks, even with the most heinous of crimes. Am I gonna weep for a killer? No, but I’m not gonna for an overzealous cop that thinks abusing people is his right either. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Jacob Blake was shackled to his hospital bed until today. Can someone please explain to me why the police, after shooting him 7 times in the back, paralyzing him from the waist down and having to have his colon removed and his kidneys and liver damaged, felt it necessary to shackle him by the ankle to his hospital bed? I'm sure someone can come up with a reasonable explanation. "Just comply."
    Because he's under arrest for sexual assualt. I believe its common practice to handcuff people while under arrest while in the hospital. Being shot doesnt eliminate his criminal record, I'm sure his sexual assault victim would also agree.
    And how is this an argument to not comply? If he had to do it over again do you think Blake would still fight back and reach for a knife, or do you think maybe he just wishes he went quietly?
    Yes, 7 times is excessive. But I don't see the argument against complying in this case, seems like pretty good reason to comply when being arrested actually.
    Clearly you didn't see the guy standing still get kicked in the back by the Po Po but somehow I knew you'd defend further abhorrent behavior by law enforcement (and I know its a different case). Excuse me, was he convicted of sexual assault and did he reach for a knife? Guilty until proven innocent, I think I saw that posted today but the perp was white. No surprise. "Just comply."
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    mace1229 said:
    DewieCox said:
    Why does it matter what he did? He’s standing there with his hands up and gets kicked from behind. We might all agree he deserves a jump kick but police simply have to be better than this video shows, regardless of what happened before.
    It matters 100%. If he just shot someone and cops are ordering him to lay on the ground and he's refusing, you don't think that matters? 
    And for the record I never said it was his fault, I just said I would like to know the context, because context and facts do matter. It was said he was eating brunch and was a case of mistaken identity, and if that's the case then yes its a terrible job on the cops.
    even if they were ordering him to the ground and he wasn't complying, a kick to the back is excessive use of force, especially when he wasn't moving. 

    sorry, there are no excuses for the cop's behaviour, even prior to knowing the context. 
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,825
    edited August 2020
    oftenreading said:
    mace1229 said:
    DewieCox said:
    Why does it matter what he did? He’s standing there with his hands up and gets kicked from behind. We might all agree he deserves a jump kick but police simply have to be better than this video shows, regardless of what happened before.
    It matters 100%. If he just shot someone and cops are ordering him to lay on the ground and he's refusing, you don't think that matters? 
    And for the record I never said it was his fault, I just said I would like to know the context, because context and facts do matter. It was said he was eating brunch and was a case of mistaken identity, and if that's the case then yes its a terrible job on the cops.
    No, you are incorrect. The police can not assault a compliant suspect who is not posing a threat just because they feel like it. He clearly did not have a gun in his hands, his hands were in view, and he was standing still. If police had actually ordered him to lie down and he did not, then they stay there until he does and they use different tactics, they don’t just kick him out of the blue. 
    I feel like we can go in circles. From that short clip I don't know he's not armed and not posing a threat. That's why I said context matters in a clip. If he just robbed a liquor store and shot the clerk and they think he still has the gun on him and he refuses to get on the ground, absolutely they kick him to the ground.
    Now it sounds like that isn't the case, but I didn't know that when I made my first comment asking for context. If what you said is true, he was eating brunch and this was mistaken identity, then this was a terrible job by the police and there should be consequences, I don't disagree.
    I just don't understand why whenever someone asks for more information here they are treated like the bad guys. Why is information bad?
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,825
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Jacob Blake was shackled to his hospital bed until today. Can someone please explain to me why the police, after shooting him 7 times in the back, paralyzing him from the waist down and having to have his colon removed and his kidneys and liver damaged, felt it necessary to shackle him by the ankle to his hospital bed? I'm sure someone can come up with a reasonable explanation. "Just comply."
    Because he's under arrest for sexual assualt. I believe its common practice to handcuff people while under arrest while in the hospital. Being shot doesnt eliminate his criminal record, I'm sure his sexual assault victim would also agree.
    And how is this an argument to not comply? If he had to do it over again do you think Blake would still fight back and reach for a knife, or do you think maybe he just wishes he went quietly?
    Yes, 7 times is excessive. But I don't see the argument against complying in this case, seems like pretty good reason to comply when being arrested actually.
    Clearly you didn't see the guy standing still get kicked in the back by the Po Po but somehow I knew you'd defend further abhorrent behavior by law enforcement (and I know its a different case). Excuse me, was he convicted of sexual assault and did he reach for a knife? Guilty until proven innocent, I think I saw that posted today but the perp was white. No surprise. "Just comply."
    I didn't defend the cop. I asked for context to the video.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Jacob Blake was shackled to his hospital bed until today. Can someone please explain to me why the police, after shooting him 7 times in the back, paralyzing him from the waist down and having to have his colon removed and his kidneys and liver damaged, felt it necessary to shackle him by the ankle to his hospital bed? I'm sure someone can come up with a reasonable explanation. "Just comply."
    Because he's under arrest for sexual assualt. I believe its common practice to handcuff people while under arrest while in the hospital. Being shot doesnt eliminate his criminal record, I'm sure his sexual assault victim would also agree.
    And how is this an argument to not comply? If he had to do it over again do you think Blake would still fight back and reach for a knife, or do you think maybe he just wishes he went quietly?
    Yes, 7 times is excessive. But I don't see the argument against complying in this case, seems like pretty good reason to comply when being arrested actually.
    Clearly you didn't see the guy standing still get kicked in the back by the Po Po but somehow I knew you'd defend further abhorrent behavior by law enforcement (and I know its a different case). Excuse me, was he convicted of sexual assault and did he reach for a knife? Guilty until proven innocent, I think I saw that posted today but the perp was white. No surprise. "Just comply."
    I didn't defend the cop. I asked for context to the video.
    But you defended shackling a paralyzed police abuse victim and insinuated that he committed sexual assault and reached for a knife to justify it. Prior to him having been convicted of either by a jury of his peers. Nice.
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  • mace1229
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    edited August 2020
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Jacob Blake was shackled to his hospital bed until today. Can someone please explain to me why the police, after shooting him 7 times in the back, paralyzing him from the waist down and having to have his colon removed and his kidneys and liver damaged, felt it necessary to shackle him by the ankle to his hospital bed? I'm sure someone can come up with a reasonable explanation. "Just comply."
    Because he's under arrest for sexual assualt. I believe its common practice to handcuff people while under arrest while in the hospital. Being shot doesnt eliminate his criminal record, I'm sure his sexual assault victim would also agree.
    And how is this an argument to not comply? If he had to do it over again do you think Blake would still fight back and reach for a knife, or do you think maybe he just wishes he went quietly?
    Yes, 7 times is excessive. But I don't see the argument against complying in this case, seems like pretty good reason to comply when being arrested actually.
    Clearly you didn't see the guy standing still get kicked in the back by the Po Po but somehow I knew you'd defend further abhorrent behavior by law enforcement (and I know its a different case). Excuse me, was he convicted of sexual assault and did he reach for a knife? Guilty until proven innocent, I think I saw that posted today but the perp was white. No surprise. "Just comply."
    I didn't defend the cop. I asked for context to the video.
    But you defended shackling a paralyzed police abuse victim and insinuated that he committed sexual assault and reached for a knife to justify it. Prior to him having been convicted of either by a jury of his peers. Nice.
    Yes. Many reports have indicated he had a warrant out for sexual assault, which is why they tried to arrest him. They also released information that a knife was found on the floorboard of his car, exactly where he was reaching when he was shot. How is bringing any of this up bad? Most major news outlets have reported it. Am I supposed to pretend those reports don't happen, like the peaceful protesting CNN reporter?
    Did he deserve to get shot 7 times? No
    Does he deserve to have his arrest warrant erased and be set free because he was shot 7 times? No
    Hence why he is under arrest now and in cuffs.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mace1229 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mace1229 said:
    DewieCox said:
    Why does it matter what he did? He’s standing there with his hands up and gets kicked from behind. We might all agree he deserves a jump kick but police simply have to be better than this video shows, regardless of what happened before.
    It matters 100%. If he just shot someone and cops are ordering him to lay on the ground and he's refusing, you don't think that matters? 
    And for the record I never said it was his fault, I just said I would like to know the context, because context and facts do matter. It was said he was eating brunch and was a case of mistaken identity, and if that's the case then yes its a terrible job on the cops.
    No, you are incorrect. The police can not assault a compliant suspect who is not posing a threat just because they feel like it. He clearly did not have a gun in his hands, his hands were in view, and he was standing still. If police had actually ordered him to lie down and he did not, then they stay there until he does and they use different tactics, they don’t just kick him out of the blue. 
    I feel like we can go in circles. From that short clip I don't know he's not armed and not posing a threat. That's why I said context matters in a clip. If he just robbed a liquor store and shot the clerk and they think he still has the gun on him and he refuses to get on the ground, absolutely they kick him to the ground.
    Now it sounds like that isn't the case, but I didn't know that when I made my first comment asking for context. If what you said is true, he was eating brunch and this was mistaken identity, then this was a terrible job by the police and there should be consequences, I don't disagree.
    I just don't understand why whenever someone asks for more information here they are treated like the bad guys. Why is information bad?

    Nope, still wrong, and this thinking is why policing is so fucked up in the US - people giving the benefit of the doubt to police every single time and being unaware of better policing practices. 
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