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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,072
    Halifax2TheMax said:
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    I just watched a video of a black guy with his hands at the back of his head, standing perfectly still, complying with officers as they surrounded him. one of them then jumpkicked him in the fucking back, causing him to turn around and be like "WTF?" so then the cops start tackling him and beating him for "resisting". then his girlfriend, filming from their car, gets choked by another officer before the video stops. 

    yeah, just comply. 

    UNREAL. 
    Where's the video? When and where did this happen?

    Jack booted thugs. And when the cops get off and don’t suffer any real consequences and people rightfully protest, they’ll be told to vote to “change the system.” And some wonder why shits being burned to the ground and there’s “peaceful” protest?
    I just looked into this.   They got the wrong guy, but also still arrested him and have charges for resisting arrest.  This is why I say pig 🐷 
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  • mace1229
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    oftenreading said:
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    DewieCox said:
    Why does it matter what he did? He’s standing there with his hands up and gets kicked from behind. We might all agree he deserves a jump kick but police simply have to be better than this video shows, regardless of what happened before.
    It matters 100%. If he just shot someone and cops are ordering him to lay on the ground and he's refusing, you don't think that matters? 
    And for the record I never said it was his fault, I just said I would like to know the context, because context and facts do matter. It was said he was eating brunch and was a case of mistaken identity, and if that's the case then yes its a terrible job on the cops.
    No, you are incorrect. The police can not assault a compliant suspect who is not posing a threat just because they feel like it. He clearly did not have a gun in his hands, his hands were in view, and he was standing still. If police had actually ordered him to lie down and he did not, then they stay there until he does and they use different tactics, they don’t just kick him out of the blue. 
    I feel like we can go in circles. From that short clip I don't know he's not armed and not posing a threat. That's why I said context matters in a clip. If he just robbed a liquor store and shot the clerk and they think he still has the gun on him and he refuses to get on the ground, absolutely they kick him to the ground.
    Now it sounds like that isn't the case, but I didn't know that when I made my first comment asking for context. If what you said is true, he was eating brunch and this was mistaken identity, then this was a terrible job by the police and there should be consequences, I don't disagree.
    I just don't understand why whenever someone asks for more information here they are treated like the bad guys. Why is information bad?

    Nope, still wrong, and this thinking is why policing is so fucked up in the US - people giving the benefit of the doubt to police every single time and being unaware of better policing practices. 
    The only messed up thing is being shunned for asking for information and facts. I didn't give anyone the benefit of the doubt. I asked for context and I get 4 people accusing me of things. How does that make sense?
    I never defended what happened, I just asked why and gave a possible scenario in which I believe would make it okay and stated clearly if that is not the case then this is wrong. 
    But I'm whats wrong with policing because I look for facts. My bad guys. I'll stop asking questions and stop looking for facts and the police problem will be over.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mace1229 said:
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    Jacob Blake was shackled to his hospital bed until today. Can someone please explain to me why the police, after shooting him 7 times in the back, paralyzing him from the waist down and having to have his colon removed and his kidneys and liver damaged, felt it necessary to shackle him by the ankle to his hospital bed? I'm sure someone can come up with a reasonable explanation. "Just comply."
    Because he's under arrest for sexual assualt. I believe its common practice to handcuff people while under arrest while in the hospital. Being shot doesnt eliminate his criminal record, I'm sure his sexual assault victim would also agree.
    And how is this an argument to not comply? If he had to do it over again do you think Blake would still fight back and reach for a knife, or do you think maybe he just wishes he went quietly?
    Yes, 7 times is excessive. But I don't see the argument against complying in this case, seems like pretty good reason to comply when being arrested actually.
    Clearly you didn't see the guy standing still get kicked in the back by the Po Po but somehow I knew you'd defend further abhorrent behavior by law enforcement (and I know its a different case). Excuse me, was he convicted of sexual assault and did he reach for a knife? Guilty until proven innocent, I think I saw that posted today but the perp was white. No surprise. "Just comply."
    I didn't defend the cop. I asked for context to the video.
    But you defended shackling a paralyzed police abuse victim and insinuated that he committed sexual assault and reached for a knife to justify it. Prior to him having been convicted of either by a jury of his peers. Nice.
    Yes. Many reports have indicated he had a warrant out for sexual assault, which is why they tried to arrest him. They also released information that a knife was found on the floorboard of his car, exactly where he was reaching when he was shot. How is bringing any of this up bad? Most major news outlets have reported it. Am I supposed to pretend those reports don't happen, like the peaceful protesting CNN reporter?
    Did he deserve to get shot 7 times? No
    Does he deserve to have his arrest warrant erased and be set free because he was shot 7 times? No
    Hence why he is under arrest now and in cuffs.
    Where do you get your facts?
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  • nicknyr15
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    I hate to make light of this, but that was one pathetic drop kick. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mace1229 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mace1229 said:
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    DewieCox said:
    Why does it matter what he did? He’s standing there with his hands up and gets kicked from behind. We might all agree he deserves a jump kick but police simply have to be better than this video shows, regardless of what happened before.
    It matters 100%. If he just shot someone and cops are ordering him to lay on the ground and he's refusing, you don't think that matters? 
    And for the record I never said it was his fault, I just said I would like to know the context, because context and facts do matter. It was said he was eating brunch and was a case of mistaken identity, and if that's the case then yes its a terrible job on the cops.
    No, you are incorrect. The police can not assault a compliant suspect who is not posing a threat just because they feel like it. He clearly did not have a gun in his hands, his hands were in view, and he was standing still. If police had actually ordered him to lie down and he did not, then they stay there until he does and they use different tactics, they don’t just kick him out of the blue. 
    I feel like we can go in circles. From that short clip I don't know he's not armed and not posing a threat. That's why I said context matters in a clip. If he just robbed a liquor store and shot the clerk and they think he still has the gun on him and he refuses to get on the ground, absolutely they kick him to the ground.
    Now it sounds like that isn't the case, but I didn't know that when I made my first comment asking for context. If what you said is true, he was eating brunch and this was mistaken identity, then this was a terrible job by the police and there should be consequences, I don't disagree.
    I just don't understand why whenever someone asks for more information here they are treated like the bad guys. Why is information bad?

    Nope, still wrong, and this thinking is why policing is so fucked up in the US - people giving the benefit of the doubt to police every single time and being unaware of better policing practices. 
    The only messed up thing is being shunned for asking for information and facts. I didn't give anyone the benefit of the doubt. I asked for context and I get 4 people accusing me of things. How does that make sense?
    I never defended what happened, I just asked why and gave a possible scenario in which I believe would make it okay and stated clearly if that is not the case then this is wrong. 
    But I'm whats wrong with policing because I look for facts. My bad guys. I'll stop asking questions and stop looking for facts and the police problem will be over.
    You justified shackling (gee, do I have to explain the history of shackles?) a paralyzed, comatose victim of police brutality by accusations of sexual assault and reaching for a knife. I guess now “reporting” Is the same as “convicted.” Oh, and he’s been unshackled and the police have rescinded the arrest warrant and he’s no longer “under arrest.” I wonder why?
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  • mace1229
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    edited August 2020
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jacob-blake-warrant-arrest-vacated-no-handcuffs-hospital-bed/

    "Our policy indicates that all people in custody outside of our jail facility shall be secured with restraints," said Lieutenant Eric Klinkhammer.

    So yes, they cuffed him. But now you claim its because he's black? Or did you mean something else by explaining the history of shackles to me?
    To answer your question, the cuffs have since been removed after posting bond. No longer under arrest after bond has been posted. 
    Haven't read anything about charges being dropped. Just posted bail.
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    nicknyr15 said:
    I hate to make light of this, but that was one pathetic drop kick. 
    I'm guessing his partner is in charge of kicking in doors. That cop couldn't kick his way out of a paper bag. Tough guy with a gun, but no game.
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  • static111
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    Can we take a minute from
    attacking each other and address That the man that was just finishing brunch was the wrong guy and still was charged with resisting arrest after being jump kicked from behind by cop.
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  • static111
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    mace1229 said:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jacob-blake-warrant-arrest-vacated-no-handcuffs-hospital-bed/

    "Our policy indicates that all people in custody outside of our jail facility shall be secured with restraints," said Lieutenant Eric Klinkhammer.

    So yes, they cuffed him. But now you claim its because he's black? Or did you mean something else by explaining the history of shackles to me?
    To answer your question, the cuffs have since been removed after posting bond. No longer under arrest after bond has been posted. 
    Haven't read anything about charges being dropped. Just posted bail.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mace1229 said:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jacob-blake-warrant-arrest-vacated-no-handcuffs-hospital-bed/

    "Our policy indicates that all people in custody outside of our jail facility shall be secured with restraints," said Lieutenant Eric Klinkhammer.

    So yes, they cuffed him. But now you claim its because he's black? Or did you mean something else by explaining the history of shackles to me?
    To answer your question, the cuffs have since been removed after posting bond. No longer under arrest after bond has been posted. 
    Haven't read anything about charges being dropped. Just posted bail.
    You seriously believe a white, comatose, paralyzed victim of police brutality would be shackled by the leg while in police custody at the hospital? The history of shackles and black men being what it is, I believe they shackled him by the leg as further humiliation and degradation because to them, black lives don't matter, hence 7 shots in the back. But go ahead, justify it.

    Here's what his attorney had to say and we know the police never lie:

    Patrick Cafferty, a defense attorney who is representing Blake in the case, said the warrant was vacated as of midday Friday and the handcuffs removed, though the case remained active. He said it was vacated by the Kenosha County Sheriff’s Department; a spokesman there said he did not know if the warrant was vacated and referred questions to the district attorney’s office. 

    The Milwaukee County Sheriff’s Office said Friday it had aided the Kenosha sheriff’s office with Blake’s custody while he was being treated in a hospital in Milwaukee County. The Milwaukee sheriff’s office posted on Twitter that Blake posted bond for the warrant, “enabling his release from custody.”

    Seems the cops are trying really hard to get their story straight.


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  • gimmesometruth27
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    well, they paralyzed him. i guess they think that is a more appropriate punishment than prison.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mace1229 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mace1229 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mace1229 said:
    DewieCox said:
    Why does it matter what he did? He’s standing there with his hands up and gets kicked from behind. We might all agree he deserves a jump kick but police simply have to be better than this video shows, regardless of what happened before.
    It matters 100%. If he just shot someone and cops are ordering him to lay on the ground and he's refusing, you don't think that matters? 
    And for the record I never said it was his fault, I just said I would like to know the context, because context and facts do matter. It was said he was eating brunch and was a case of mistaken identity, and if that's the case then yes its a terrible job on the cops.
    No, you are incorrect. The police can not assault a compliant suspect who is not posing a threat just because they feel like it. He clearly did not have a gun in his hands, his hands were in view, and he was standing still. If police had actually ordered him to lie down and he did not, then they stay there until he does and they use different tactics, they don’t just kick him out of the blue. 
    I feel like we can go in circles. From that short clip I don't know he's not armed and not posing a threat. That's why I said context matters in a clip. If he just robbed a liquor store and shot the clerk and they think he still has the gun on him and he refuses to get on the ground, absolutely they kick him to the ground.
    Now it sounds like that isn't the case, but I didn't know that when I made my first comment asking for context. If what you said is true, he was eating brunch and this was mistaken identity, then this was a terrible job by the police and there should be consequences, I don't disagree.
    I just don't understand why whenever someone asks for more information here they are treated like the bad guys. Why is information bad?

    Nope, still wrong, and this thinking is why policing is so fucked up in the US - people giving the benefit of the doubt to police every single time and being unaware of better policing practices. 
    The only messed up thing is being shunned for asking for information and facts. I didn't give anyone the benefit of the doubt. I asked for context and I get 4 people accusing me of things. How does that make sense?
    I never defended what happened, I just asked why and gave a possible scenario in which I believe would make it okay and stated clearly if that is not the case then this is wrong. 
    But I'm whats wrong with policing because I look for facts. My bad guys. I'll stop asking questions and stop looking for facts and the police problem will be over.
    You're saying that you're being shunned for asking for information, but that's not the case - you're excusing police behaviour that is inexcusable regardless of the circumstances or additional information about the context. It has nothing to do with asking for facts. 
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  • DewieCox
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    I get keeping tabs on the dude even with the shitty thing that happened to him. “Innocent until proven guilty” doesn’t apply to the situation because arresting isn’t presuming guilt. Seems fair to detain him and consider the actions taken against him later. 
  • PJPOWER
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    edited August 2020
    Never mind, too triggering 
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  • RiotZact
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    static111 said:
    Can we take a minute from
    attacking each other and address That the man that was just finishing brunch was the wrong guy and still was charged with resisting arrest after being jump kicked from behind by cop.
    I guess not 😂. Really goes to show how normalized this type of behavior is. 
  • mace1229
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    RiotZact said:
    static111 said:
    Can we take a minute from
    attacking each other and address That the man that was just finishing brunch was the wrong guy and still was charged with resisting arrest after being jump kicked from behind by cop.
    I guess not 😂. Really goes to show how normalized this type of behavior is. 
    Now I’m really pissed. Just got a new screen protector for my phone and can’t get a stupid bubble out!
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    mace1229 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mace1229 said:
    DewieCox said:
    Why does it matter what he did? He’s standing there with his hands up and gets kicked from behind. We might all agree he deserves a jump kick but police simply have to be better than this video shows, regardless of what happened before.
    It matters 100%. If he just shot someone and cops are ordering him to lay on the ground and he's refusing, you don't think that matters? 
    And for the record I never said it was his fault, I just said I would like to know the context, because context and facts do matter. It was said he was eating brunch and was a case of mistaken identity, and if that's the case then yes its a terrible job on the cops.
    No, you are incorrect. The police can not assault a compliant suspect who is not posing a threat just because they feel like it. He clearly did not have a gun in his hands, his hands were in view, and he was standing still. If police had actually ordered him to lie down and he did not, then they stay there until he does and they use different tactics, they don’t just kick him out of the blue. 
    I feel like we can go in circles. From that short clip I don't know he's not armed and not posing a threat. That's why I said context matters in a clip. If he just robbed a liquor store and shot the clerk and they think he still has the gun on him and he refuses to get on the ground, absolutely they kick him to the ground.
    Now it sounds like that isn't the case, but I didn't know that when I made my first comment asking for context. If what you said is true, he was eating brunch and this was mistaken identity, then this was a terrible job by the police and there should be consequences, I don't disagree.
    I just don't understand why whenever someone asks for more information here they are treated like the bad guys. Why is information bad?
    if he had a gun and was standing there ready to surrender, kicking him in the back, which made him turn around, is probably the worst thing a cop could do. he could have drawn his gun and shot him. 

    information isn't bad. there are some instances where questions need to be answered. in my opinion, this clearly was not one of those instances. 
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  • josevolution
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I just watched a video of a black guy with his hands at the back of his head, standing perfectly still, complying with officers as they surrounded him. one of them then jumpkicked him in the fucking back, causing him to turn around and be like "WTF?" so then the cops start tackling him and beating him for "resisting". then his girlfriend, filming from their car, gets choked by another officer before the video stops. 

    yeah, just comply. 

    UNREAL. 
    It’s sickening I saw the video! This is the worst I’ve ever felt about this country and where it’s headed! 
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,072
    josevolution said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I just watched a video of a black guy with his hands at the back of his head, standing perfectly still, complying with officers as they surrounded him. one of them then jumpkicked him in the fucking back, causing him to turn around and be like "WTF?" so then the cops start tackling him and beating him for "resisting". then his girlfriend, filming from their car, gets choked by another officer before the video stops. 

    yeah, just comply. 

    UNREAL. 
    It’s sickening I saw the video! This is the worst I’ve ever felt about this country and where it’s headed! 
    He wasn’t even the guy they were looking for and they still charged him for resisting arrest
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,825
    edited August 2020
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mace1229 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mace1229 said:
    DewieCox said:
    Why does it matter what he did? He’s standing there with his hands up and gets kicked from behind. We might all agree he deserves a jump kick but police simply have to be better than this video shows, regardless of what happened before.
    It matters 100%. If he just shot someone and cops are ordering him to lay on the ground and he's refusing, you don't think that matters? 
    And for the record I never said it was his fault, I just said I would like to know the context, because context and facts do matter. It was said he was eating brunch and was a case of mistaken identity, and if that's the case then yes its a terrible job on the cops.
    No, you are incorrect. The police can not assault a compliant suspect who is not posing a threat just because they feel like it. He clearly did not have a gun in his hands, his hands were in view, and he was standing still. If police had actually ordered him to lie down and he did not, then they stay there until he does and they use different tactics, they don’t just kick him out of the blue. 
    I feel like we can go in circles. From that short clip I don't know he's not armed and not posing a threat. That's why I said context matters in a clip. If he just robbed a liquor store and shot the clerk and they think he still has the gun on him and he refuses to get on the ground, absolutely they kick him to the ground.
    Now it sounds like that isn't the case, but I didn't know that when I made my first comment asking for context. If what you said is true, he was eating brunch and this was mistaken identity, then this was a terrible job by the police and there should be consequences, I don't disagree.
    I just don't understand why whenever someone asks for more information here they are treated like the bad guys. Why is information bad?
    if he had a gun and was standing there ready to surrender, kicking him in the back, which made him turn around, is probably the worst thing a cop could do. he could have drawn his gun and shot him. 

    information isn't bad. there are some instances where questions need to be answered. in my opinion, this clearly was not one of those instances. 
    We’ll have to disagree I guess. If someone’s a threat they are less of a threat face down on the ground, that’s why they ask people to do that who pose a big threat. If they aren’t complying with that order, they should be knocked down.
    But it’s a moot point as I’ve learned that wasn’t the case here, and have since said several times after learning the details this was poor policing at best. Excessive force was used and appropriate reprimands should follow.
    But some are so anti cop here that merely just asking questions and not immediately demanding justice despite having little to none of the story is offensive and will consider looking for facts as supporting bad policing. 

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