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  • stuckinline
    stuckinline Posts: 3,407
    edited July 2020
    Regardless of a person's beliefs or skin color, it is never okay to call someone a 'f***ing b***h' in the workplace.
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  • brianlux
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    stuckinline said:
    Regardless of a person's beliefs or skin color, it is never okay to call someone a 'f***ing b***h' in the workplace.

    For sure- especially anyone in a position in government.   The best leaders set a good example.  Trump and his supporters started the slide in the other direction when he started talking about "grabbing pussy" and somehow that was acceptable-- to some.    Now its representatives calling a woman an effing bitch.  Here in the U.S., we're on a fast race to the bottom. 
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    brianlux said:
    stuckinline said:
    Regardless of a person's beliefs or skin color, it is never okay to call someone a 'f***ing b***h' in the workplace.
    For sure- especially anyone in a position in government.   The best leaders set a good example.  Trump and his supporters started the slide in the other direction when he started talking about "grabbing pussy" and somehow that was acceptable-- to some.    Now its representatives calling a woman an effing bitch.  Here in the U.S., we're on a fast race to the bottom. 
    That was a like decade before he ran for president and he didn't know he was being recorded. Maybe Yoho is just a dick and it has nothing to do with Trump. Isn't Trump awful enough on his own accord where we don't need to be attributing things to him that aren't his fault? It's like framing an already guilty man. That's not to say that anyone should feel they could just "grab a woman by the pussy." But it's not like he said that in a speech or at a rally. 
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  • OnWis97
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    stuckinline said:
    Regardless of a person's beliefs or skin color, it is never okay to call someone a 'f***ing b***h' in the workplace.

    It would get more fired...
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  • Kat
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    I don't like the B word. I also don't like the D word. We can certainly agree that both are rude....not nice, etc.
    As for the press sec, I'd just say she's a liar. The other words are completely unnecessary, right? Being a liar is a terrible thing.

    Listen, stay safe everyone. This quarantine is difficult but your safety is the most important thing. Get nice masks...maybe with a sports team or something on them? Sending out big hugs; have a nice weekend.

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  • brianlux
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    brianlux said:
    stuckinline said:
    Regardless of a person's beliefs or skin color, it is never okay to call someone a 'f***ing b***h' in the workplace.
    For sure- especially anyone in a position in government.   The best leaders set a good example.  Trump and his supporters started the slide in the other direction when he started talking about "grabbing pussy" and somehow that was acceptable-- to some.    Now its representatives calling a woman an effing bitch.  Here in the U.S., we're on a fast race to the bottom. 
    That was a like decade before he ran for president and he didn't know he was being recorded. Maybe Yoho is just a dick and it has nothing to do with Trump. Isn't Trump awful enough on his own accord where we don't need to be attributing things to him that aren't his fault? It's like framing an already guilty man. That's not to say that anyone should feel they could just "grab a woman by the pussy." But it's not like he said that in a speech or at a rally. 

    I didn't make very clear what I was trying to say- my bad.  My point is that people do see Trump as someone who thinks the way someone who says p... grabbing and other gutter language and are probably not surprised to hear a politician use that language in public.

    But, yeah, fair enough, I'll retract this incident as being attributed to Trump.  What I will say though is that any politician worth his or her salt will know better than to talk that way in public.  I'm guessing many politicians have and do swear a blue streak in private.  But a good public servant knows not to do that outside of in private.  I'm no saint and I'm no prude and I'm guilty of using such language myself, but I'm also not a public servant.  When I was a teacher, I did consider myself a public servant and spoke appropriately as one in that capacity. 

    My concern is that the crudeness of some of our so-called leaders is becoming more and more acceptable.  That's low.
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    brianlux said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    brianlux said:
    stuckinline said:
    Regardless of a person's beliefs or skin color, it is never okay to call someone a 'f***ing b***h' in the workplace.
    For sure- especially anyone in a position in government.   The best leaders set a good example.  Trump and his supporters started the slide in the other direction when he started talking about "grabbing pussy" and somehow that was acceptable-- to some.    Now its representatives calling a woman an effing bitch.  Here in the U.S., we're on a fast race to the bottom. 
    That was a like decade before he ran for president and he didn't know he was being recorded. Maybe Yoho is just a dick and it has nothing to do with Trump. Isn't Trump awful enough on his own accord where we don't need to be attributing things to him that aren't his fault? It's like framing an already guilty man. That's not to say that anyone should feel they could just "grab a woman by the pussy." But it's not like he said that in a speech or at a rally. 

    I didn't make very clear what I was trying to say- my bad.  My point is that people do see Trump as someone who thinks the way someone who says p... grabbing and other gutter language and are probably not surprised to hear a politician use that language in public.

    But, yeah, fair enough, I'll retract this incident as being attributed to Trump.  What I will say though is that any politician worth his or her salt will know better than to talk that way in public.  I'm guessing many politicians have and do swear a blue streak in private.  But a good public servant knows not to do that outside of in private.  I'm no saint and I'm no prude and I'm guilty of using such language myself, but I'm also not a public servant.  When I was a teacher, I did consider myself a public servant and spoke appropriately as one in that capacity. 

    My concern is that the crudeness of some of our so-called leaders is becoming more and more acceptable.  That's low.
    Yeah it has. And while Trump’s pussy statement proceeds his presidency, he certainly has made crudeness and outrageousness more mainstream in politics. 
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  • brianlux
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    brianlux said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    brianlux said:
    stuckinline said:
    Regardless of a person's beliefs or skin color, it is never okay to call someone a 'f***ing b***h' in the workplace.
    For sure- especially anyone in a position in government.   The best leaders set a good example.  Trump and his supporters started the slide in the other direction when he started talking about "grabbing pussy" and somehow that was acceptable-- to some.    Now its representatives calling a woman an effing bitch.  Here in the U.S., we're on a fast race to the bottom. 
    That was a like decade before he ran for president and he didn't know he was being recorded. Maybe Yoho is just a dick and it has nothing to do with Trump. Isn't Trump awful enough on his own accord where we don't need to be attributing things to him that aren't his fault? It's like framing an already guilty man. That's not to say that anyone should feel they could just "grab a woman by the pussy." But it's not like he said that in a speech or at a rally. 

    I didn't make very clear what I was trying to say- my bad.  My point is that people do see Trump as someone who thinks the way someone who says p... grabbing and other gutter language and are probably not surprised to hear a politician use that language in public.

    But, yeah, fair enough, I'll retract this incident as being attributed to Trump.  What I will say though is that any politician worth his or her salt will know better than to talk that way in public.  I'm guessing many politicians have and do swear a blue streak in private.  But a good public servant knows not to do that outside of in private.  I'm no saint and I'm no prude and I'm guilty of using such language myself, but I'm also not a public servant.  When I was a teacher, I did consider myself a public servant and spoke appropriately as one in that capacity. 

    My concern is that the crudeness of some of our so-called leaders is becoming more and more acceptable.  That's low.
    Yeah it has. And while Trump’s pussy statement proceeds his presidency, he certainly has made crudeness and outrageousness more mainstream in politics. 

    So true!  I see it as a sign of the times that does not bode well for our future. 

    Should rock and rollers cuss now and then?  Hell yes.  Steve Wynn played a song today on his live-from-home show called:

    "Ted Fucking Williams"

    Everyone's so kind and humble
    Don't you know that I can see right through it?
    Keeping all their comments down
    You know it ain't a boast if you can do it
    And everyone says "Say hey"
    And everyone says "Did you see that kid play?"
    I've got to give the kid a hand
    But there's nothing that he can do better than I can
    I'm Ted Fucking Williams

    But failure's not a sign of grace
    It only means you don't know what you're doing
    And everyone says "Hey, Mick"
    Mantle this, Mantle that, it makes me sick
    It's just so hard to see
    Why do they like him better than me?
    I'm Ted Fucking Williams

    And everyone says "Hey, Duke"
    Like everything I did was some kind of fluke
    I gotta give the Duke a hand
    But there's nothing that he can do better than I can
    I'm Ted Fucking Williams


    But  president, congressperson, others in office?  No way!

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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,618
    This is about far more than AOC...but it’s a good read

    https://www.thecut.com/2020/07/aoc-speech-ted-yoho-new-york-times.html?fbclid=IwAR0IqbYx-1GgSlNlzbFHpVZ6i9DPTx4rLCpiVl-1Y6hfkUdOeGfs6B2kvlk#comments

    ”All these words somehow cast Ocasio-Cortez and her female colleagues as the disruptive and chaotic forces unleashed in this scenario, suggesting that they shattered norms in a way that Representative Yoho’s original, profane outburst apparently did not. (Perhaps Yoho’s words weren’t understood as eruptive and norm-shattering because calling women nasty names, in your head or with your friends or on the steps of your workplace, is much more of a norm than most want to acknowledge).”
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,437
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/26/ted-yoho-christian-group-obtains-resignation-over-ocasio-cortez-attack
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,847
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Her speech did highlight major concern on mine with her thoughts and beliefs. She said she goes to work in Congress to make sure her constituents have a roof over their heads.  Government providing.  Everything.  

    I would hope that all elected officials are toward every constituent having a roof over their head, clean and safe water, accessible health care, safe schools, and the rest of what makes a decent society. That's not the same thing as "government providing everything".
    It's all in how you feel you need to go about it. 
    Sure. Did she give details in how she’s going about it in the speech that concerned you? 
    Has she given details on how she’s paying for anything? 
    Everyone wants what she wants. We all want good healthcare for everyone and a roof, and food and good schools and the latest Air Jordan’s. The problem is some realize it costs more money than we have. Others just want to run up the debt and let the next generation worry about it. From what I can tell she’s the spend everything now and let others worry about it later type.
  • mrussel1
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    mace1229 said:
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Her speech did highlight major concern on mine with her thoughts and beliefs. She said she goes to work in Congress to make sure her constituents have a roof over their heads.  Government providing.  Everything.  

    I would hope that all elected officials are toward every constituent having a roof over their head, clean and safe water, accessible health care, safe schools, and the rest of what makes a decent society. That's not the same thing as "government providing everything".
    It's all in how you feel you need to go about it. 
    Sure. Did she give details in how she’s going about it in the speech that concerned you? 
    Has she given details on how she’s paying for anything? 
    Everyone wants what she wants. We all want good healthcare for everyone and a roof, and food and good schools and the latest Air Jordan’s. The problem is some realize it costs more money than we have. Others just want to run up the debt and let the next generation worry about it. From what I can tell she’s the spend everything now and let others worry about it later type.
    Well that's not exactly unique to her and her party. 
  • nicknyr15
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    mace1229 said:
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Her speech did highlight major concern on mine with her thoughts and beliefs. She said she goes to work in Congress to make sure her constituents have a roof over their heads.  Government providing.  Everything.  

    I would hope that all elected officials are toward every constituent having a roof over their head, clean and safe water, accessible health care, safe schools, and the rest of what makes a decent society. That's not the same thing as "government providing everything".
    It's all in how you feel you need to go about it. 
    Sure. Did she give details in how she’s going about it in the speech that concerned you? 
    Has she given details on how she’s paying for anything? 
    Everyone wants what she wants. We all want good healthcare for everyone and a roof, and food and good schools and the latest Air Jordan’s. The problem is some realize it costs more money than we have. Others just want to run up the debt and let the next generation worry about it. From what I can tell she’s the spend everything now and let others worry about it later type.
    Again, once people get over her age, race and gender, you can see she’s completely full of you know what. 
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,847
    nicknyr15 said:
    mace1229 said:
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Her speech did highlight major concern on mine with her thoughts and beliefs. She said she goes to work in Congress to make sure her constituents have a roof over their heads.  Government providing.  Everything.  

    I would hope that all elected officials are toward every constituent having a roof over their head, clean and safe water, accessible health care, safe schools, and the rest of what makes a decent society. That's not the same thing as "government providing everything".
    It's all in how you feel you need to go about it. 
    Sure. Did she give details in how she’s going about it in the speech that concerned you? 
    Has she given details on how she’s paying for anything? 
    Everyone wants what she wants. We all want good healthcare for everyone and a roof, and food and good schools and the latest Air Jordan’s. The problem is some realize it costs more money than we have. Others just want to run up the debt and let the next generation worry about it. From what I can tell she’s the spend everything now and let others worry about it later type.
    Again, once people get over her age, race and gender, you can see she’s completely full of you know what. 
    Right. People don’t hate her because she’s a woman or young or attractive. It’s she wants to spend $40 trillion and her answer on how to pay for it is “you just pay it.”  If she ran a company the way she wants to run the US it would be bankrupt and people wouldn’t be getting their paychecks within months.

    But you bring that up and the response is “you’re just afraid of smart young females.”
  • gimmesometruth27
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    mace1229 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    mace1229 said:
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Her speech did highlight major concern on mine with her thoughts and beliefs. She said she goes to work in Congress to make sure her constituents have a roof over their heads.  Government providing.  Everything.  

    I would hope that all elected officials are toward every constituent having a roof over their head, clean and safe water, accessible health care, safe schools, and the rest of what makes a decent society. That's not the same thing as "government providing everything".
    It's all in how you feel you need to go about it. 
    Sure. Did she give details in how she’s going about it in the speech that concerned you? 
    Has she given details on how she’s paying for anything? 
    Everyone wants what she wants. We all want good healthcare for everyone and a roof, and food and good schools and the latest Air Jordan’s. The problem is some realize it costs more money than we have. Others just want to run up the debt and let the next generation worry about it. From what I can tell she’s the spend everything now and let others worry about it later type.
    Again, once people get over her age, race and gender, you can see she’s completely full of you know what. 
    Right. People don’t hate her because she’s a woman or young or attractive. It’s she wants to spend $40 trillion and her answer on how to pay for it is “you just pay it.”  If she ran a company the way she wants to run the US it would be bankrupt and people wouldn’t be getting their paychecks within months.

    But you bring that up and the response is “you’re just afraid of smart young females.”
    except you cannot run a country the same way as you run a company. this has been established. look at the amazing businessman who is floundering in the white house right now.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,847
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mace1229 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    mace1229 said:
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Her speech did highlight major concern on mine with her thoughts and beliefs. She said she goes to work in Congress to make sure her constituents have a roof over their heads.  Government providing.  Everything.  

    I would hope that all elected officials are toward every constituent having a roof over their head, clean and safe water, accessible health care, safe schools, and the rest of what makes a decent society. That's not the same thing as "government providing everything".
    It's all in how you feel you need to go about it. 
    Sure. Did she give details in how she’s going about it in the speech that concerned you? 
    Has she given details on how she’s paying for anything? 
    Everyone wants what she wants. We all want good healthcare for everyone and a roof, and food and good schools and the latest Air Jordan’s. The problem is some realize it costs more money than we have. Others just want to run up the debt and let the next generation worry about it. From what I can tell she’s the spend everything now and let others worry about it later type.
    Again, once people get over her age, race and gender, you can see she’s completely full of you know what. 
    Right. People don’t hate her because she’s a woman or young or attractive. It’s she wants to spend $40 trillion and her answer on how to pay for it is “you just pay it.”  If she ran a company the way she wants to run the US it would be bankrupt and people wouldn’t be getting their paychecks within months.

    But you bring that up and the response is “you’re just afraid of smart young females.”
    except you cannot run a country the same way as you run a company. this has been established. look at the amazing businessman who is floundering in the white house right now.
    True. But you can’t spend $40 trillion with zero plan to pay for it either and not have the economy collapse.
  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    brianlux said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    brianlux said:
    stuckinline said:
    Regardless of a person's beliefs or skin color, it is never okay to call someone a 'f***ing b***h' in the workplace.
    For sure- especially anyone in a position in government.   The best leaders set a good example.  Trump and his supporters started the slide in the other direction when he started talking about "grabbing pussy" and somehow that was acceptable-- to some.    Now its representatives calling a woman an effing bitch.  Here in the U.S., we're on a fast race to the bottom. 
    That was a like decade before he ran for president and he didn't know he was being recorded. Maybe Yoho is just a dick and it has nothing to do with Trump. Isn't Trump awful enough on his own accord where we don't need to be attributing things to him that aren't his fault? It's like framing an already guilty man. That's not to say that anyone should feel they could just "grab a woman by the pussy." But it's not like he said that in a speech or at a rally. 

    I didn't make very clear what I was trying to say- my bad.  My point is that people do see Trump as someone who thinks the way someone who says p... grabbing and other gutter language and are probably not surprised to hear a politician use that language in public.

    But, yeah, fair enough, I'll retract this incident as being attributed to Trump.  What I will say though is that any politician worth his or her salt will know better than to talk that way in public.  I'm guessing many politicians have and do swear a blue streak in private.  But a good public servant knows not to do that outside of in private.  I'm no saint and I'm no prude and I'm guilty of using such language myself, but I'm also not a public servant.  When I was a teacher, I did consider myself a public servant and spoke appropriately as one in that capacity. 

    My concern is that the crudeness of some of our so-called leaders is becoming more and more acceptable.  That's low.
    I know I’ve written this before somewhere and many have probly done the same, when you have a president who condones and encourages racism and hate it gives permission to those with similar believes to behave how they wish. 
  • bbiggs
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    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mace1229 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    mace1229 said:
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Her speech did highlight major concern on mine with her thoughts and beliefs. She said she goes to work in Congress to make sure her constituents have a roof over their heads.  Government providing.  Everything.  

    I would hope that all elected officials are toward every constituent having a roof over their head, clean and safe water, accessible health care, safe schools, and the rest of what makes a decent society. That's not the same thing as "government providing everything".
    It's all in how you feel you need to go about it. 
    Sure. Did she give details in how she’s going about it in the speech that concerned you? 
    Has she given details on how she’s paying for anything? 
    Everyone wants what she wants. We all want good healthcare for everyone and a roof, and food and good schools and the latest Air Jordan’s. The problem is some realize it costs more money than we have. Others just want to run up the debt and let the next generation worry about it. From what I can tell she’s the spend everything now and let others worry about it later type.
    Again, once people get over her age, race and gender, you can see she’s completely full of you know what. 
    Right. People don’t hate her because she’s a woman or young or attractive. It’s she wants to spend $40 trillion and her answer on how to pay for it is “you just pay it.”  If she ran a company the way she wants to run the US it would be bankrupt and people wouldn’t be getting their paychecks within months.

    But you bring that up and the response is “you’re just afraid of smart young females.”
    except you cannot run a country the same way as you run a company. this has been established. look at the amazing businessman who is floundering in the white house right now.
    Not to take away from your point, but in fairness, 99% of the folks here would say he was a terrible businessman that drove his companies into Chapter 11. 

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,599
    it's funny how all the people who criticize AOC for her response to "how are you going to pay for it?" with regards to basic human needs/rights might just be the same people that are a-ok with the government writing blank cheques in the name of protecting their "freedom". 

    you know what she's doing? showing you for the hypocrites you are. 
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,847
    edited July 2020
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    it's funny how all the people who criticize AOC for her response to "how are you going to pay for it?" with regards to basic human needs/rights might just be the same people that are a-ok with the government writing blank cheques in the name of protecting their "freedom". 

    you know what she's doing? showing you for the hypocrites you are. 
    It wasn’t just health. It was free college and a bunch of other stuff wrapped up in a $40 trillion increase to our budget.

    And I’m not okay with blank checks for military either. I think everything should be cut back until we can reduce, or at least stabilize our debt.

    There’s nothing hypocritical about criticizing someone who wants to spend $40 trillion with zero clue on how to pay for it. Who’s it going to help when the economy crashes and there is no government assistance at all?

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