Live Nation - Memo Leaked

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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,615
    BF25394 said:
    KV4053 said:
    When a talking head on television does stupid things, the people rise up against the advertisers. The talking head then straightens up or gets fired. Maybe we need the same mechanism against Live Nation. Rise up against the venues who signed these stupid contracts with Ticketmaster.
    I'm on board.  I will not attend any event at a Live Nation venue for the rest of 2020...
    I'm with you. Solidarity.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,706
    I don't see how boycotting Live Nation venues helps the artist. If the artist chooses to work with them, they're counting on people to buy tickets, show up, and buy merch. If anything, I can see going out of your way to support an artist who is explicitly trying to circumvent Live Nation by driving a little further to a show or paying more for a ticket.

    Whenever Greg Dulli's Paradise (LN venue) show goes off, there is zero chance I'm missing it and I guarantee he wants a packed room. Who am I really sticking it to if I stay home?
  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,982
    pjl44 said:
    I don't see how boycotting Live Nation venues helps the artist. If the artist chooses to work with them, they're counting on people to buy tickets, show up, and buy merch. If anything, I can see going out of your way to support an artist who is explicitly trying to circumvent Live Nation by driving a little further to a show or paying more for a ticket.

    Whenever Greg Dulli's Paradise (LN venue) show goes off, there is zero chance I'm missing it and I guarantee he wants a packed room. Who am I really sticking it to if I stay home?

    I think they were kidding.   There are no shows in 2020 to boycott :)
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,706
    Zod said:
    pjl44 said:
    I don't see how boycotting Live Nation venues helps the artist. If the artist chooses to work with them, they're counting on people to buy tickets, show up, and buy merch. If anything, I can see going out of your way to support an artist who is explicitly trying to circumvent Live Nation by driving a little further to a show or paying more for a ticket.

    Whenever Greg Dulli's Paradise (LN venue) show goes off, there is zero chance I'm missing it and I guarantee he wants a packed room. Who am I really sticking it to if I stay home?

    I think they were kidding.   There are no shows in 2020 to boycott :)
    Ah yeah. I am a giant dummy!
  • eboweddie
    eboweddie Posts: 1,129
    What happens if an artist refuses to play ball with live nation?. Will they be locked out of venues.  Where have we seen this before!!! 

    i wish i wish i wish i wish, i guess it never stops
  • RF123172
    RF123172 Posts: 110
    The concert industry is going down before our eyes.  By me, the Nassau Coliseum has closed until they find a new investor.  We may hate the past profiteers, but I certainly do not want to have to live without concerts.  This is why i was upset with all the people hammering to get refunds on postponed shows.  It was mostly COVID...but we partly created this.
  • ZAPPER
    ZAPPER Posts: 253
    edited June 2020
    Zod said:
    It seems a little harsh, on the other hand it seems like right now promoters/venues/ticket agency are all taking the biggest hits?  IE they're running business but currently have no revenue.  So they're bleeding money.  I guess they're trying to avoid having that happen again if concerts turn out to be a crapshoot next year too.

    To me this is going to make bands think twice about touring until covid is over.
    Hopefully this will put those scumbag “ticket broker” businesses out. Ive never had a problem with a fan selling their 2 tickets because they can no longer attend, but when we have these brokers that have retail stores buying tons of tickets to scalp when fans cant even buy them through TM, LN, or even fanclub tickets, those types of price gouging businesses shouldnt even be legal.
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  • PB11041
    PB11041 Earth Posts: 2,845
    anyone who thinks that concert industry is going to come back resembling anything close to what you experienced prior to March of 2020 is going to be in for a shock. 
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  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,863
    ZAPPER said:
    Zod said:
    It seems a little harsh, on the other hand it seems like right now promoters/venues/ticket agency are all taking the biggest hits?  IE they're running business but currently have no revenue.  So they're bleeding money.  I guess they're trying to avoid having that happen again if concerts turn out to be a crapshoot next year too.

    To me this is going to make bands think twice about touring until covid is over.
    Hopefully this will put those scumbag “ticket broker” businesses out. Ive never had a problem with a fan selling their 2 tickets because they can no longer attend, but when we have these brokers that have retail stores buying tons of tickets to scalp when fans cant even buy them through TM, LN, or even fanclub tickets, those types of price gouging businesses shouldnt even be legal.
    I agree that it sucks to have to compete with resellers to get tickets.  

    However!   You can often beat them at their own game when they are forced to sell tickets below face due to over-speculation.  
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,894
    I thought it was odd that I recently received an email related to a cancelled Sammy Hagar show that I bought tickets for.  Live Nation gave me the option of a 100% refund or a 150% credit if I let them keep the $$.  

    I figured the credit would be too hard to use later and asked for the refund.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,706
    Gern Blansten said:
    I thought it was odd that I recently received an email related to a cancelled Sammy Hagar show that I bought tickets for.  Live Nation gave me the option of a 100% refund or a 150% credit if I let them keep the $$.  

    I figured the credit would be too hard to use later and asked for the refund.
    I did the same thing. I don't trust them at all. Fully expect it to come with all sorts of stipulations - like it will only be good for lawn seats for select shows, etc.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,894
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    I thought it was odd that I recently received an email related to a cancelled Sammy Hagar show that I bought tickets for.  Live Nation gave me the option of a 100% refund or a 150% credit if I let them keep the $$.  

    I figured the credit would be too hard to use later and asked for the refund.
    I did the same thing. I don't trust them at all. Fully expect it to come with all sorts of stipulations - like it will only be good for lawn seats for select shows, etc.
    yep....just like all of those ticketmaster price gouging credits that I couldn't use
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,315
    pjl44 said:
    Zod said:
    pjl44 said:
    I don't see how boycotting Live Nation venues helps the artist. If the artist chooses to work with them, they're counting on people to buy tickets, show up, and buy merch. If anything, I can see going out of your way to support an artist who is explicitly trying to circumvent Live Nation by driving a little further to a show or paying more for a ticket.

    Whenever Greg Dulli's Paradise (LN venue) show goes off, there is zero chance I'm missing it and I guarantee he wants a packed room. Who am I really sticking it to if I stay home?

    I think they were kidding.   There are no shows in 2020 to boycott :)
    Ah yeah. I am a giant dummy!
    Well actually, looks like drive-in concerts are going to be a thing at Live Nation venues ... 

    https://livenation.com/drivein/?c=EML_LN_LN2056636&camefrom=EMLN_LN2056636&et_rid=27399916 
  • blackhawks
    blackhawks Posts: 307
    This makes TM look angelic.  
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    Lots Lots Lots of shows.....
    2018 - Seattle 2/Missoula
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,706
    SHZA said:
    pjl44 said:
    Zod said:
    pjl44 said:
    I don't see how boycotting Live Nation venues helps the artist. If the artist chooses to work with them, they're counting on people to buy tickets, show up, and buy merch. If anything, I can see going out of your way to support an artist who is explicitly trying to circumvent Live Nation by driving a little further to a show or paying more for a ticket.

    Whenever Greg Dulli's Paradise (LN venue) show goes off, there is zero chance I'm missing it and I guarantee he wants a packed room. Who am I really sticking it to if I stay home?

    I think they were kidding.   There are no shows in 2020 to boycott :)
    Ah yeah. I am a giant dummy!
    Well actually, looks like drive-in concerts are going to be a thing at Live Nation venues ... 

    https://livenation.com/drivein/?c=EML_LN_LN2056636&camefrom=EMLN_LN2056636&et_rid=27399916 
    Huh. I didn't see prices anywhere. Any idea what one of these tickets costs? I would potentially do this. Not any of those shows, but if it was someone I was into.
  • Matts3221
    Matts3221 Posts: 658
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    I thought it was odd that I recently received an email related to a cancelled Sammy Hagar show that I bought tickets for.  Live Nation gave me the option of a 100% refund or a 150% credit if I let them keep the $$.  

    I figured the credit would be too hard to use later and asked for the refund.
    I did the same thing. I don't trust them at all. Fully expect it to come with all sorts of stipulations - like it will only be good for lawn seats for select shows, etc.
    yep....just like all of those ticketmaster price gouging credits that I couldn't use

    Dammit this just reminded me of the bullshit settlement , every time shows went up with my "credits" the shows would always be sold out. I had so many credits for that , never used.
  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,315
    edited June 2020
    pjl44 said:
    SHZA said:
    pjl44 said:
    Zod said:
    pjl44 said:
    I don't see how boycotting Live Nation venues helps the artist. If the artist chooses to work with them, they're counting on people to buy tickets, show up, and buy merch. If anything, I can see going out of your way to support an artist who is explicitly trying to circumvent Live Nation by driving a little further to a show or paying more for a ticket.

    Whenever Greg Dulli's Paradise (LN venue) show goes off, there is zero chance I'm missing it and I guarantee he wants a packed room. Who am I really sticking it to if I stay home?

    I think they were kidding.   There are no shows in 2020 to boycott :)
    Ah yeah. I am a giant dummy!
    Well actually, looks like drive-in concerts are going to be a thing at Live Nation venues ... 

    https://livenation.com/drivein/?c=EML_LN_LN2056636&camefrom=EMLN_LN2056636&et_rid=27399916 
    Huh. I didn't see prices anywhere. Any idea what one of these tickets costs? I would potentially do this. Not any of those shows, but if it was someone I was into.
    Apparently the lowest is $125, and you're allowed up to 4 people. The "seat" map on the event page shows four different zones, so presumably $125 is the back row and the closer zones are more expensive. Presale tomorrow -- I'll probably get tix to El Monstero (STL-based Pink Floyd tribute) and opt for the gold level if it's not too outrageous. 

    https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/touring/9406554/live-nation-drive-in-concert-series-lineup-dates-cities#:~:text=Tickets%20will%20go%20on%20sale,four%20attendees%20per%20car%20attend. 
    Post edited by SHZA on
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,706
    SHZA said:
    pjl44 said:
    SHZA said:
    pjl44 said:
    Zod said:
    pjl44 said:
    I don't see how boycotting Live Nation venues helps the artist. If the artist chooses to work with them, they're counting on people to buy tickets, show up, and buy merch. If anything, I can see going out of your way to support an artist who is explicitly trying to circumvent Live Nation by driving a little further to a show or paying more for a ticket.

    Whenever Greg Dulli's Paradise (LN venue) show goes off, there is zero chance I'm missing it and I guarantee he wants a packed room. Who am I really sticking it to if I stay home?

    I think they were kidding.   There are no shows in 2020 to boycott :)
    Ah yeah. I am a giant dummy!
    Well actually, looks like drive-in concerts are going to be a thing at Live Nation venues ... 

    https://livenation.com/drivein/?c=EML_LN_LN2056636&camefrom=EMLN_LN2056636&et_rid=27399916 
    Huh. I didn't see prices anywhere. Any idea what one of these tickets costs? I would potentially do this. Not any of those shows, but if it was someone I was into.
    Apparently the lowest is $125, and you're allowed up to 4 people. The "seat" map on the event page shows four different zones, so presumably $125 is the back row and the closer zones are more expensive. Presale tomorrow -- I'll probably get tix to El Monstero (STL-based Pink Floyd tribute) and opt for the gold level if it's not too outrageous. 

    https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/touring/9406554/live-nation-drive-in-concert-series-lineup-dates-cities#:~:text=Tickets%20will%20go%20on%20sale,four%20attendees%20per%20car%20attend. 
    Thanks. If we're talking $30/head at the lowest end, I suspect I'd be priced out of this if they do it near me. The tailgating aspect is better than staying in your car, but I don't see it being worth traditional concert prices. 
  • iOnlyownMymind
    iOnlyownMymind Posts: 2,986
    edited June 2020
    Pass
    Post edited by iOnlyownMymind on
  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,982
    Given that no one expected all events to shutdown for a prolonged period of time, I don't think LiveNation ever imagined it would happen, and never planned for it.  Given at how slow they were to figure out refunds for tickets, I'm thinking they've taken a sizable financial hit.

    Now realizing that their model involved them loosing gobs of money in a pandemic, they figured out how to move that risk onto the bands.

    I know were all slagging them for doing it, but my brain likes to know how things work.   When they say they're not providing cancellation insurance, and it's up to the band.  My brain is thinking:   How much did their insurance premiums skyrocket when they had to claim all these cancellations at once.  It must of been nasty.  I'm curious what overhead and expenses they're obligated to pay out regardless if a show goes on or not are.

    To me, it reads like they took the brunt of all the lost event money due to the pandemic and they're trying to avoid being put in that position again.

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