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Yes it was a very confusing sentence. I read it a bunch to try and understand what it meant...and I was still guessing.mace1229 said:
Who said that? I was just pointing out the title of the article said 233,000 more will die if we reopen, but then reading the article it says 233,000 will die if we stay closed and keep social distancing, so either way apparently. Does that title not seem misleading to you? All I was saying, not sure where you came up with what’s a few thousand more and all just numbers.josevolution said:
Heck what’s a few thousand difference 100 k or 75 k or 200k they are just numbers at this point ,America’s ready for the final tally what ever that number might be after all we are #1 no?mace1229 said:
I did. It’s poorly written at best, to me looks like click bait to contradict your title within the first 2 paragraphs.dignin said:
Read the whole article.mace1229 said:
That doesn’t make sense to me. 233,000 more will die if we reopen, or even if we don’t reopen and keep social distancing 233,000 will still die.dignin said:Reopening states will cause 233,000 more people to die from coronavirus, according to Wharton model
According to the Penn Wharton Budget Model (PWBM), reopening states will result in an additional 233,000 deaths from the virus — even if states don’t reopen at all and with social distancing rules in place. This means that if the states were to reopen, 350,000 people in total would die from coronavirus by the end of June, the study found.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/reopening-states-will-cause-233000-more-people-to-die-from-coronavirus-according-to-wharton-model-120049573.html
So 233,000 either way? Doesn’t sound like it’s the result of reopening then. They are contradicting their title by saying the same number will die if we reopen or not.That is the only mention of total deaths, it talks about a couple of states and also mentions a partial reopen will kill 46,000, a smaller number than if we stayed closed. So still doesn’t make sense.
Apparently we can’t scrutinize the media for misleading articles anymore without being accusing of not caring if tens of thousands die.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Really? Did you read that sentence? It was really poorly written. Unsure why that would lead to such a nasty post.dignin said:
Is it the math or the reading you're having trouble with? Both are hard.mace1229 said:
I did. It’s poorly written at best, to me looks like click bait to contradict your title within the first 2 paragraphs.dignin said:
Read the whole article.mace1229 said:
That doesn’t make sense to me. 233,000 more will die if we reopen, or even if we don’t reopen and keep social distancing 233,000 will still die.dignin said:Reopening states will cause 233,000 more people to die from coronavirus, according to Wharton model
According to the Penn Wharton Budget Model (PWBM), reopening states will result in an additional 233,000 deaths from the virus — even if states don’t reopen at all and with social distancing rules in place. This means that if the states were to reopen, 350,000 people in total would die from coronavirus by the end of June, the study found.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/reopening-states-will-cause-233000-more-people-to-die-from-coronavirus-according-to-wharton-model-120049573.html
So 233,000 either way? Doesn’t sound like it’s the result of reopening then. They are contradicting their title by saying the same number will die if we reopen or not.That is the only mention of total deaths, it talks about a couple of states and also mentions a partial reopen will kill 46,000, a smaller number than if we stayed closed. So still doesn’t make sense.hippiemom = goodness0 -
https://abcnews.go.com/US/colorado-man-planning-armed-protest-states-coronavirus-restrictions/story?id=70491370
It’s just a matter of time before this gets out of hand and a lot of people get killed by one of these idiots and why are no politicians coming out against this crap no mater what side your on!jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
Relax, it was just a joke. I'm sorry you felt insulted, it wasn't intended that way, more just a gentle ribbing.mace1229 said:
If I’m wrong it’s probably the reading. I got a 790 on the math SAT and about a 500 on the reading (back when it was a total of 1600).dignin said:
Is it the math or the reading you're having trouble with? Both are hard.mace1229 said:
I did. It’s poorly written at best, to me looks like click bait to contradict your title within the first 2 paragraphs.dignin said:
Read the whole article.mace1229 said:
That doesn’t make sense to me. 233,000 more will die if we reopen, or even if we don’t reopen and keep social distancing 233,000 will still die.dignin said:Reopening states will cause 233,000 more people to die from coronavirus, according to Wharton model
According to the Penn Wharton Budget Model (PWBM), reopening states will result in an additional 233,000 deaths from the virus — even if states don’t reopen at all and with social distancing rules in place. This means that if the states were to reopen, 350,000 people in total would die from coronavirus by the end of June, the study found.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/reopening-states-will-cause-233000-more-people-to-die-from-coronavirus-according-to-wharton-model-120049573.html
So 233,000 either way? Doesn’t sound like it’s the result of reopening then. They are contradicting their title by saying the same number will die if we reopen or not.That is the only mention of total deaths, it talks about a couple of states and also mentions a partial reopen will kill 46,000, a smaller number than if we stayed closed. So still doesn’t make sense.
But instead of being insulting you could try a conversation. You still haven’t said how it makes sense to say 233,000 die if we reopen, or 2330,000 still die if we don’t. Literally what the article said and you even quoted it.I will quote you quoting the article now:
“reopening states will result in an additional 233,000 deaths from the virus — even if states don’t reopen at all and with social distancing rules in place.”So is that not saying 233k die if we open, and 233k die even if we don’t?
Looking forward to an actual response. But if you can’t defend the article you posted, feel free to continue with random insults. That just lets us know you have nothing relevant to say.
Maybe this is easier to digest.
https://www.cathlabdigest.com/content/penn-wharton-budget-model-covid-19-mortality-estimates-based-varying-levels-reopening-states-nationwide- If states do not reopen before June 30, cumulative national deaths due to coronavirus would rise to around 117,000 by June 30 (including deaths prior to May 1). GDP on June 30, 2020 would be 11.6 percent lower than GDP one year earlier (“Year-Over-Year” or “YOY”). About 18.6 million jobs would be lost between May 1 and June 30.
- Partially reopening would cause 45,000 additional deaths by June 30, relative to not reopening. GDP on June 30 would increase by 1 percent, from an 11.6 percent YOY loss without reopening to a 10.7 YOY loss with partial reopening. About 4.4 million jobs would be saved, for a total of 14.0 million jobs lost between May 1 and June 30.
- Fully reopening would lead to an additional 233,000 deaths by the end of June relative to not reopening. GDP on June 30 would increase by about 1.5 percentage points relative to not reopening. Almost all net job losses between May 1 and June 30 would be eliminated.
- If, however, individuals see full reopening as a “return to normal” and as a result relax their own voluntary social distancing practices—behaving in a manner consistent with Feb 1, 2020—cumulative national deaths would reach 950,000 by June 30. Job losses would turn to a net positive of 4.1 million in jobs gained, erasing some of the job losses prior to May 1.
Here is the source.
https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2020/5/1/coronavirus-reopening-simulator
0 - If states do not reopen before June 30, cumulative national deaths due to coronavirus would rise to around 117,000 by June 30 (including deaths prior to May 1). GDP on June 30, 2020 would be 11.6 percent lower than GDP one year earlier (“Year-Over-Year” or “YOY”). About 18.6 million jobs would be lost between May 1 and June 30.
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Unsure? Cmon dude. Its AMT. that’s how it works here.cincybearcat said:
Really? Did you read that sentence? It was really poorly written. Unsure why that would lead to such a nasty post.dignin said:
Is it the math or the reading you're having trouble with? Both are hard.mace1229 said:
I did. It’s poorly written at best, to me looks like click bait to contradict your title within the first 2 paragraphs.dignin said:
Read the whole article.mace1229 said:
That doesn’t make sense to me. 233,000 more will die if we reopen, or even if we don’t reopen and keep social distancing 233,000 will still die.dignin said:Reopening states will cause 233,000 more people to die from coronavirus, according to Wharton model
According to the Penn Wharton Budget Model (PWBM), reopening states will result in an additional 233,000 deaths from the virus — even if states don’t reopen at all and with social distancing rules in place. This means that if the states were to reopen, 350,000 people in total would die from coronavirus by the end of June, the study found.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/reopening-states-will-cause-233000-more-people-to-die-from-coronavirus-according-to-wharton-model-120049573.html
So 233,000 either way? Doesn’t sound like it’s the result of reopening then. They are contradicting their title by saying the same number will die if we reopen or not.That is the only mention of total deaths, it talks about a couple of states and also mentions a partial reopen will kill 46,000, a smaller number than if we stayed closed. So still doesn’t make sense.0 -
good information. I don't see people 'returning to normal in a manner consistent with feb 1 2020' for a long time. Even if we fully re-open I don't see anything approaching normal of Feb 1 2020 any time soon. People will still be wary to fly, go to restaurants, even go to work in an office for awhile. I think a lot of people will dip those toes in but not fully jump. If we can open but with restrictions (masks, limiting numbers in stores, etc.) that to me is the way to go. the re-opening to a normal level will need to happen but will need to be at a slower pace then the closing down was.dignin said:
Relax, it was just a joke. I'm sorry you felt insulted, it wasn't intended that way, more just a gentle ribbing.mace1229 said:
If I’m wrong it’s probably the reading. I got a 790 on the math SAT and about a 500 on the reading (back when it was a total of 1600).dignin said:
Is it the math or the reading you're having trouble with? Both are hard.mace1229 said:
I did. It’s poorly written at best, to me looks like click bait to contradict your title within the first 2 paragraphs.dignin said:
Read the whole article.mace1229 said:
That doesn’t make sense to me. 233,000 more will die if we reopen, or even if we don’t reopen and keep social distancing 233,000 will still die.dignin said:Reopening states will cause 233,000 more people to die from coronavirus, according to Wharton model
According to the Penn Wharton Budget Model (PWBM), reopening states will result in an additional 233,000 deaths from the virus — even if states don’t reopen at all and with social distancing rules in place. This means that if the states were to reopen, 350,000 people in total would die from coronavirus by the end of June, the study found.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/reopening-states-will-cause-233000-more-people-to-die-from-coronavirus-according-to-wharton-model-120049573.html
So 233,000 either way? Doesn’t sound like it’s the result of reopening then. They are contradicting their title by saying the same number will die if we reopen or not.That is the only mention of total deaths, it talks about a couple of states and also mentions a partial reopen will kill 46,000, a smaller number than if we stayed closed. So still doesn’t make sense.
But instead of being insulting you could try a conversation. You still haven’t said how it makes sense to say 233,000 die if we reopen, or 2330,000 still die if we don’t. Literally what the article said and you even quoted it.I will quote you quoting the article now:
“reopening states will result in an additional 233,000 deaths from the virus — even if states don’t reopen at all and with social distancing rules in place.”So is that not saying 233k die if we open, and 233k die even if we don’t?
Looking forward to an actual response. But if you can’t defend the article you posted, feel free to continue with random insults. That just lets us know you have nothing relevant to say.
Maybe this is easier to digest.
https://www.cathlabdigest.com/content/penn-wharton-budget-model-covid-19-mortality-estimates-based-varying-levels-reopening-states-nationwide- If states do not reopen before June 30, cumulative national deaths due to coronavirus would rise to around 117,000 by June 30 (including deaths prior to May 1). GDP on June 30, 2020 would be 11.6 percent lower than GDP one year earlier (“Year-Over-Year” or “YOY”). About 18.6 million jobs would be lost between May 1 and June 30.
- Partially reopening would cause 45,000 additional deaths by June 30, relative to not reopening. GDP on June 30 would increase by 1 percent, from an 11.6 percent YOY loss without reopening to a 10.7 YOY loss with partial reopening. About 4.4 million jobs would be saved, for a total of 14.0 million jobs lost between May 1 and June 30.
- Fully reopening would lead to an additional 233,000 deaths by the end of June relative to not reopening. GDP on June 30 would increase by about 1.5 percentage points relative to not reopening. Almost all net job losses between May 1 and June 30 would be eliminated.
- If, however, individuals see full reopening as a “return to normal” and as a result relax their own voluntary social distancing practices—behaving in a manner consistent with Feb 1, 2020—cumulative national deaths would reach 950,000 by June 30. Job losses would turn to a net positive of 4.1 million in jobs gained, erasing some of the job losses prior to May 1.
Here is the source.
https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2020/5/1/coronavirus-reopening-simulator
0 - If states do not reopen before June 30, cumulative national deaths due to coronavirus would rise to around 117,000 by June 30 (including deaths prior to May 1). GDP on June 30, 2020 would be 11.6 percent lower than GDP one year earlier (“Year-Over-Year” or “YOY”). About 18.6 million jobs would be lost between May 1 and June 30.
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Hahahaha Fair enough!nicknyr15 said:
Unsure? Cmon dude. Its AMT. that’s how it works here.cincybearcat said:
Really? Did you read that sentence? It was really poorly written. Unsure why that would lead to such a nasty post.dignin said:
Is it the math or the reading you're having trouble with? Both are hard.mace1229 said:
I did. It’s poorly written at best, to me looks like click bait to contradict your title within the first 2 paragraphs.dignin said:
Read the whole article.mace1229 said:
That doesn’t make sense to me. 233,000 more will die if we reopen, or even if we don’t reopen and keep social distancing 233,000 will still die.dignin said:Reopening states will cause 233,000 more people to die from coronavirus, according to Wharton model
According to the Penn Wharton Budget Model (PWBM), reopening states will result in an additional 233,000 deaths from the virus — even if states don’t reopen at all and with social distancing rules in place. This means that if the states were to reopen, 350,000 people in total would die from coronavirus by the end of June, the study found.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/reopening-states-will-cause-233000-more-people-to-die-from-coronavirus-according-to-wharton-model-120049573.html
So 233,000 either way? Doesn’t sound like it’s the result of reopening then. They are contradicting their title by saying the same number will die if we reopen or not.That is the only mention of total deaths, it talks about a couple of states and also mentions a partial reopen will kill 46,000, a smaller number than if we stayed closed. So still doesn’t make sense.hippiemom = goodness0 -
I just saw a headline on a paywalled article that says Carnival cruise lines will resume some sailings in August.That’s a big “nope” for me.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0
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Careful, more clickbait.
The Trump administration is privately predicting the daily coronavirus death toll will almost double over the next month, with new infections increasing from 25,000 per day to 200,000
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-administration-predicts-daily-virus-deaths-will-double-by-june-2020-5CDC privately projects significant May surge in coronavirus cases and deaths
https://www.axios.com/cdc-projections-coronavirus-may-june-a96726e7-acc8-4855-b603-dc6518f560f5.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100
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cincybearcat said:
I'm unsure why all these "no vaccine" articles and interviews starting popping up. There has been nothing but good news on that front. Certainly still a risk, but we've had reports of multiple vaccines in human study that we successful in other tests.Meltdown99 said:No guarantee coronavirus vaccine will be found soon, infectious disease expert tells Q+A
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/21/no-guarantee-coronavirus-vaccine-will-be-found-soon-infectious-disease-expert-tells-qaShould You Get an Antibody Test?
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/611005/Oxford professor: Possible coronavirus vaccine could show efficacy by June
https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/495865-oxford-professor-possible-coronavirus-vaccine-could-show-efficacy
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If I can't go see a club show, those giant germ factories can stay docked for the foreseeable futureoftenreading said:I just saw a headline on a paywalled article that says Carnival cruise lines will resume some sailings in August.That’s a big “nope” for me.0 -
oftenreading said:I just saw a headline on a paywalled article that says Carnival cruise lines will resume some sailings in August.That’s a big “nope” for me.
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During the Public Health Authority's daily press conference on the corona virus, Karin Tegmark Wisell, head of the department of microbiology, announced that an infection in covid-19 provides an immunity protection. An expert group has come to the conclusion after reviewing the overall state of knowledge.- A proven immune response is considered to provide full or partial protection against clinical disease in the event of a re-infection."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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Seems so wrongoftenreading said:I just saw a headline on a paywalled article that says Carnival cruise lines will resume some sailings in August.That’s a big “nope” for me.
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/05/04/business/ap-us-carnival-cruise-reopening.html0 -
For those of us in NY State. See ya sometime in mid June? (I’m in NYC and Phase 2.)
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Idiots.Renfield said:
Seems so wrongoftenreading said:I just saw a headline on a paywalled article that says Carnival cruise lines will resume some sailings in August.That’s a big “nope” for me.
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/05/04/business/ap-us-carnival-cruise-reopening.htmlI LOVE MUSIC.
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I can't imagine anyone taking a cruise any time in the near future...like before there's not only a vaccine but a significant amount of "normal" time has passed.I'll never take one (never really wanted to, anyway, but even if I did, there's no way I'd be doing it in 2020).1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine 2013 Wrigley 2014 St. Paul 2016 Fenway, Fenway, Wrigley, Wrigley 2018 Missoula, Wrigley, Wrigley 2021 Asbury Park 2022 St Louis 2023 Austin, Austin 2024 Napa, Wrigley, Wrigley 2025 Nashville (II)0
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missouri started to open up today. funny because just yesterday we had the highest number of new cases since the pandemic began.
god help us."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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And you can go to concerts!!gimmesometruth27 said:missouri started to open up today. funny because just yesterday we had the highest number of new cases since the pandemic began.
god help us.https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/9368428/missouri-concerts-resume-may-4-coronavirus“event organizers are expected to keep concertgoers six feet or more apart to limit the spread of the novel coronavirus.” How does that work?0 -
I know it....it's fucking nuts. I'm staying home. F that.gimmesometruth27 said:missouri started to open up today. funny because just yesterday we had the highest number of new cases since the pandemic began.
god help us.I LOVE MUSIC.
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