Wondering why tour hasn't been canceled ?

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  • RatherStarved
    RatherStarved Posts: 5,831
    I think 2020 only happens if there’s a treatment.  It could happen, but betting on it? That I wouldn’t do.  On the other hand 2022 seems pessimistic.  There will probably be a breakthrough before that.
    PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024:  Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2; Indy; Chicago 1-2; MSG 1-2; Philly 2; Boston 2; Ohana 1-2; 2025: FL 1-2, ATL 1-2, Nash 1-2, Pit 1-2.
     
    EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.

    Gutted:  London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
  • Patrick_Sea3
    Patrick_Sea3 West Seattle Posts: 935
    I would start listening to what Bill Gates has to say about the whole thing.  
  • Red Mosqito
    Red Mosqito Posts: 1,239
    pjhawks said:
    ComeToTX said:
    Getting back to work slowly and safely and having mass gatherings are 2 very different things. 

    ill bet there will be full NFL, college football and Euro league soccer stadiums in 2020.
    I'll take you up on that bet, what do you want to wager? Shit, I just saw a news piece about how a Walmart store is getting sued because two of their workers caught the virus and died from it. Do you think arenas or stadiums want to open themselves up to potential law suits if someone dies from virus by attending a concert or sporting event without a known vaccine/cure? 
  • Red Mosqito
    Red Mosqito Posts: 1,239
    pjhawks said:
    you people are nuts if you think sports and businesses will be shut down until 2022.  not unless you want  a worldwide depression. there will have to be solutions to get people back to work even if this thing continues on. 
    I don't know about you, but even though I'm stuck to my house I'm still working remotely in the IT industry. It's the services industry that's going to take a beating from this shutdown.

    And did you know that Microsoft just cancelled ALL of their live events through the summer of 2021? So while I don't want to wait that long to get back to normal life, how we're living now just might be the new normal for quite some time. 
  • CO278952
    CO278952 Orlando, FL Posts: 1,451
    on2legs said:
    just_one said:
    evenflow82 said:
    12-18 months until vaccine, then distribution and inoculation to all seven billion people on earth.  I hate to say this, but probably no shows until 2022 at the earliest. 
    being married to a molecular biologist , i would say pretty much this unless some kind of drug that is not a vaccine is discovered and even with that...

    Is anyone here a molecular biologist?!??
    Is anyone here a marine biologist seinfeld

    Nice!
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  • Vedd Hedd
    Vedd Hedd Posts: 4,633
    pjhawks said:
    you people are nuts if you think sports and businesses will be shut down until 2022.  not unless you want  a worldwide depression. there will have to be solutions to get people back to work even if this thing continues on. 
    I am thinking 2021. Not 2022.

    Turn this anger into
    Nuclear fission
  • Vedd Hedd
    Vedd Hedd Posts: 4,633
    But to add to that, businesses minus large gatherings, will happen.

    We may get some sports with no fans in attendance at some point.
    Turn this anger into
    Nuclear fission
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 13,041
    Red Mosqito said:
    pjhawks said:
    ComeToTX said:
    Getting back to work slowly and safely and having mass gatherings are 2 very different things. 

    ill bet there will be full NFL, college football and Euro league soccer stadiums in 2020.
    I'll take you up on that bet, what do you want to wager? Shit, I just saw a news piece about how a Walmart store is getting sued because two of their workers caught the virus and died from it. Do you think arenas or stadiums want to open themselves up to potential law suits if someone dies from virus by attending a concert or sporting event without a known vaccine/cure? 
    Just saw a model that has zero deaths in the USA and Pennsylvania by mid June. The next few weeks are going to be terrible but we aren’t at the apex yet. If there are projected zero deaths in summer things will begin again.  It may or may not come back if course.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america
  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,315
    pjhawks said:
    Red Mosqito said:
    pjhawks said:
    ComeToTX said:
    Getting back to work slowly and safely and having mass gatherings are 2 very different things. 

    ill bet there will be full NFL, college football and Euro league soccer stadiums in 2020.
    I'll take you up on that bet, what do you want to wager? Shit, I just saw a news piece about how a Walmart store is getting sued because two of their workers caught the virus and died from it. Do you think arenas or stadiums want to open themselves up to potential law suits if someone dies from virus by attending a concert or sporting event without a known vaccine/cure? 
    Just saw a model that has zero deaths in the USA and Pennsylvania by mid June. The next few weeks are going to be terrible but we aren’t at the apex yet. If there are projected zero deaths in summer things will begin again.  It may or may not come back if course.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america
    But the key factor in the zero-deaths-by-June graph is that it is based on "full social distancing." If that stops, infections and deaths will spike again. 
  • RS65573
    RS65573 Posts: 2,500
    Correct. Its time to cancel the NA and European tour. Redraw next year, all seats, HOPEFULLY. This is the only logical move IMO.
  • Ray J. T.
    Ray J. T. Posts: 4,130
    RS65573 said:
    Correct. Its time to cancel the NA and European tour. Redraw next year, all seats, HOPEFULLY. This is the only logical move IMO.
    No thanks. I am perfectly content with my tickets/seat locations and have absolutely no issues with holding on to my tickets, as I have every intention of still attending these (spring NA for me) shows whenever they are rescheduled. Regardless if it's 2021 or 2022 they will be rescheduled. Why would they completely cancel out and redraw? How would that be fair to those who were selected in the initial drawing and chose to hold on to their tickets and wait for the make up date?
  • RatherStarved
    RatherStarved Posts: 5,831
    RS65573 said:
    Correct. Its time to cancel the NA and European tour. Redraw next year, all seats, HOPEFULLY. This is the only logical move IMO.
    Said a person who already has tickets never.
    PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024:  Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2; Indy; Chicago 1-2; MSG 1-2; Philly 2; Boston 2; Ohana 1-2; 2025: FL 1-2, ATL 1-2, Nash 1-2, Pit 1-2.
     
    EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.

    Gutted:  London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 NEW YORK Posts: 11,170
    RS65573 said:
    Correct. Its time to cancel the NA and European tour. Redraw next year, all seats, HOPEFULLY. This is the only logical move IMO.
    Or why not give the option for people to keep their seats, refund the ones who want that
  • RS65573
    RS65573 Posts: 2,500
    I have tickets to a few shows including MSG. GA is over for a while if ever.  This will be redrawn whether I like it or not.
  • RatherStarved
    RatherStarved Posts: 5,831
    If it is safe to sit in a seat with people on all sides, line up for concessions, line up for the restroom, line up for security for entering the building, take transit to venues, then it is safe for GA.  And if not, not.  Some people may decide they want to sell their GA, which is fine.  There will be plenty of buyers.
    PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024:  Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2; Indy; Chicago 1-2; MSG 1-2; Philly 2; Boston 2; Ohana 1-2; 2025: FL 1-2, ATL 1-2, Nash 1-2, Pit 1-2.
     
    EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.

    Gutted:  London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
  • Ray J. T.
    Ray J. T. Posts: 4,130
    edited April 2020
    RS65573 said:
    I have tickets to a few shows including MSG. GA is over for a while if ever.  This will be redrawn whether I like it or not.
    No, there is just not going to be any shows until it has been deemed safe to do so. Whenever that may be. If anything, maybe see some changes made to GA like having it become a seated area with rows and seat numbers to help keep "somewhat" of a distance between you and others in the area. But really its not very different to how close you are to your neighbors in Reserved seating. We will eventually get back to a point of normalcy, where people go back to attending sporting events, concerts, and festivals. 
    Post edited by Ray J. T. on
  • Ray J. T.
    Ray J. T. Posts: 4,130
    kst said:
    If it is safe to sit in a seat with people on all sides, line up for concessions, line up for the restroom, line up for security for entering the building, take transit to venues, then it is safe for GA.  And if not, not.  Some people may decide they want to sell their GA, which is fine.  There will be plenty of buyers.
    ^ This
  • PeterED
    PeterED Posts: 375
    RS65573 said:
    Correct. Its time to cancel the NA and European tour. Redraw next year, all seats, HOPEFULLY. This is the only logical move IMO.
    Absolutely no need to do this.

    postpone, keep the seats while offering 100% full refund if the new dates don’t work out.
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  • RS65573
    RS65573 Posts: 2,500
    PeterED said:
    RS65573 said:
    Correct. Its time to cancel the NA and European tour. Redraw next year, all seats, HOPEFULLY. This is the only logical move IMO.
    Absolutely no need to do this.

    postpone, keep the seats while offering 100% full refund if the new dates don’t work out.
    And use GA seating in this fall on the east coast? That is not going to happen. 
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    RS65573 said:
    PeterED said:
    RS65573 said:
    Correct. Its time to cancel the NA and European tour. Redraw next year, all seats, HOPEFULLY. This is the only logical move IMO.
    Absolutely no need to do this.

    postpone, keep the seats while offering 100% full refund if the new dates don’t work out.
    And use GA seating in this fall on the east coast? That is not going to happen. 
    All festivals will be cancelled? Forever? 

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