The Democratic Presidential Debates
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Time for the ANTI ESTABLISHMENT surge to happen.mrussel1 said:New polling..."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Poor bernie.hippiemom = goodness0
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Something really big has to happen for Bernie to turn these numbers. If you remember, the polling you posted right before Super Tuesday turned out to be accurate. Nothing has changed over the weekend. A Jesse Jackson endorsement is not going to get it done, especially with Booker endorsing Biden. Sanders needs Joe to come down with the virus or something.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Time for the ANTI ESTABLISHMENT surge to happen.mrussel1 said:New polling...0 -
mrussel1 said:New polling...
Are you implying Biden is pulling away?0 -
All things considered, it's been a hell of a run for him over the past 5 or so years.cincybearcat said:Poor bernie.
I contend he has himself to blame. He should have never dubbed himself a "Democratic Socialist." I guess he was trying to distinguish between socialism in the communist-sense, and what he's proposing. But the word "socialist" is just too toxic. If he never called himself that, I don't think he'd be looked at that differently than Obama. Obama was called a socialist too by the republicans. But he fought through it. Bernie's just doubles down. It's like he's basically saying "I'm not talking about Stalin's brand of socialism! I'm talking about MY brand of socialism. I know what I'm doing!"
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Once again, the corrupt media and D corporatists were able to change both the responses to the fake polls, and the actual electoral results. Everyone loves Bernie, even you. You just don't know it because of the gaslighting. Fool.Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:New polling...
Are you implying Biden is pulling away?0 -
It's funny to watch someone who was a Senator for decades rail against the establishmentSpiritual_Chaos said:
Time for the ANTI ESTABLISHMENT surge to happen.mrussel1 said:New polling...
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Ledbetterman10 said:
All things considered, it's been a hell of a run for him over the past 5 or so years.cincybearcat said:Poor bernie.
I contend he has himself to blame. He should have never dubbed himself a "Democratic Socialist." I guess he was trying to distinguish between socialism in the communist-sense, and what he's proposing. But the word "socialist" is just too toxic. If he never called himself that, I don't think he'd be looked at that differently than Obama. Obama was called a socialist too by the republicans. But he fought through it. Bernie's just doubles down. It's like he's basically saying "I'm not talking about Stalin's brand of socialism! I'm talking about MY brand of socialism. I know what I'm doing!"
Is there a way to send that comment to Chaos' inbox? This is Bernies problem in a nutshell.
Too much video of Bernie shrugging his shoulders when asked if he was a socialist. He should have known better. He moved from Brooklyn to Vermont because it wasnt far left enough.0 -
Why would I need the info?Lerxst1992 said:Ledbetterman10 said:
All things considered, it's been a hell of a run for him over the past 5 or so years.cincybearcat said:Poor bernie.
I contend he has himself to blame. He should have never dubbed himself a "Democratic Socialist." I guess he was trying to distinguish between socialism in the communist-sense, and what he's proposing. But the word "socialist" is just too toxic. If he never called himself that, I don't think he'd be looked at that differently than Obama. Obama was called a socialist too by the republicans. But he fought through it. Bernie's just doubles down. It's like he's basically saying "I'm not talking about Stalin's brand of socialism! I'm talking about MY brand of socialism. I know what I'm doing!"
Is there a way to send that comment to Chaos' inbox? This is Bernies problem in a nutshell.
Too much video of Bernie shrugging his shoulders when asked if he was a socialist. He should have known better. He moved from Brooklyn to Vermont because it wasnt far left enough."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Hope Clinton doesn't follow Nate Silver - feel like it'd be all it would take for her to decide to run again.CM189191 said:'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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2020 and Creepy Joe is the best we can do....sadScio me nihil scire
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Better than the corrupt golfer in the WH today... you know the guy who lied to you at the CDC event.. The guy that chose not to use the international test kits offered by the WHO and Germany, and now we have no kits available in the US... that corrupt, incompetent fool.static111 said:2020 and Creepy Joe is the best we can do....sad0 -
I find the overlooking of all sorts of behavior and history just because the other guy is worse is very problematic. Sure he invaded women’s personal space and doesn’t have a very reliable progressive record, but at least he’s not Trump. Oh well I guess that’s what we deserve.Scio me nihil scire
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In 2012 I looked at Mitt Romney as "the best the GOP could do." I envisioned that from there-on-out, the Dems would be consistently running young, charismatic candidates for President, and the GOP would be doomed with the likes of Romney, Jeb, etc....just old party-loyalists that stuck around long enough to rise to the top.static111 said:2020 and Creepy Joe is the best we can do....sad
Well that sure flipped. While Trump certainly isn't young, he's charismatic, not a party-loyalist, and yet the GOP loves him. The Dems on the other hand? Hillary and Biden. Hillary was fine (no charisma, but a reasonable-enough candidate for president). Biden WAS fine if he ran in 2016, but I think his time has passed.
But Biden fits my "old party-loyalist that stuck around long enough to rise to the top" criteria. Just as Romney, John McCain, John Kerry, and Bob Dole did. I'm sure you remember how all of those guys did in their general elections....
I know Obamas don't grow on trees, but it's pretty concerning (if you're a democrat) how little they've built up potential candiates both during Obama's presidency, and over the past four years.
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💯 agreement on thisLedbetterman10 said:
In 2012 I looked at Mitt Romney as "the best the GOP could do." I envisioned that from there-on-out, the Dems would be consistently running young, charismatic candidates for President, and the GOP would be doomed with the likes of Romney, Jeb, etc....just old party-loyalists that stuck around long enough to rise to the top.static111 said:2020 and Creepy Joe is the best we can do....sad
Well that sure flipped. While Trump certainly isn't young, he's charismatic, not a party-loyalist, and yet the GOP loves him. The Dems on the other hand? Hillary and Biden. Hillary was fine (no charisma, but a reasonable-enough candidate for president). Biden WAS fine if he ran in 2016, but I think his time has passed.
But Biden fits my "old party-loyalist that stuck around long enough to rise to the top" criteria. Just as Romney, John McCain, John Kerry, and Bob Dole did. I'm sure you remember how all of those guys did in their general elections....
I know Obamas don't grow on trees, but it's pretty concerning (if you're a democrat) how little they've built up potential candiates both during Obama's presidency, and over the past four years.Scio me nihil scire
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A huge problem to me is that this election is all about beating Trump. I agree he needs to be voted out but if all the DNC can muster up is let’s vote Trump out I don’t see it as being very successful. The way to win is to have something or someone that inspires people to take part which the establishment dishrags just don’t do. Trump got elected because like it or not he inspired the Republicans to vote for something.Scio me nihil scire
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There were 20 candidates. It wasn't a 'lesser of two evils' choice. It's not like Biden swept Tuesday by overloading the media with ads either. He spent a fraction of what Sanders spent, yet people came out in droves for Biden. What we're seeing is that for majority of voters in the Democratic party, they just aren't as dissatisfied with the old guard as the Republicans were. In fact, the vast majority of the party look fondly upon the Obama/Biden administration. The same could not be said about the Bush admin.static111 said:
💯 agreement on thisLedbetterman10 said:
In 2012 I looked at Mitt Romney as "the best the GOP could do." I envisioned that from there-on-out, the Dems would be consistently running young, charismatic candidates for President, and the GOP would be doomed with the likes of Romney, Jeb, etc....just old party-loyalists that stuck around long enough to rise to the top.static111 said:2020 and Creepy Joe is the best we can do....sad
Well that sure flipped. While Trump certainly isn't young, he's charismatic, not a party-loyalist, and yet the GOP loves him. The Dems on the other hand? Hillary and Biden. Hillary was fine (no charisma, but a reasonable-enough candidate for president). Biden WAS fine if he ran in 2016, but I think his time has passed.
But Biden fits my "old party-loyalist that stuck around long enough to rise to the top" criteria. Just as Romney, John McCain, John Kerry, and Bob Dole did. I'm sure you remember how all of those guys did in their general elections....
I know Obamas don't grow on trees, but it's pretty concerning (if you're a democrat) how little they've built up potential candiates both during Obama's presidency, and over the past four years.0
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