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mcgruff10 said:Polls open six am and close at 8 or 9 and we have absentee ballots. No need to switch Election Day. Find five minutes and vote.
So glad we vote by mail here. So much easier that way!
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mcgruff10 said:Polls open six am and close at 8 or 9 and we have absentee ballots. No need to switch Election Day. Find five minutes and vote.
You've never heard of 6-12's? You get up for work at 5:30 and you leave at 6:15 and you work from 7-7 and you get home at 7:30-7:45 and you do that 6 times a week and your kids are forgetting that you are a whole person capable of enjoying life...and then someone suggests that you should stop at the polls on your way home and wait 2+ hours to vote, so you don't see your family at all for the day, and if you don't they have a flippant attitude like it's your own fault you are too apathetic to vote.
Seriously though, I don't want to make a huge deal out of this but this is a classic American attitude. You don't know anyone who has trouble voting so you can't imagine how anyone would, and you resist change...out of spite?Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
mcgruff10 said:Yeah I stand corrected, voting should be on the weekend.
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Election Day should be a paid National Holiday. Period. No exceptions.
Double-time for those who work it and maximum 8 hour shift. This is the greatest country in the world? Prove it. Put democracy first, and greed second.
I say all that, but honestly, if a bill came forward that set a maximum voting age and set minimum IQ thresholds...I would absolutely vote yes lol
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rgambs said:Sounds like your social circle doesn't include anyone in manufacturing lol
You've never heard of 6-12's? You get up for work at 5:30 and you leave at 6:15 and you work from 7-7 and you get home at 7:30-7:45 and you do that 6 times a week and your kids are forgetting that you are a whole person capable of enjoying life...and then someone suggests that you should stop at the polls on your way home and wait 2+ hours to vote, so you don't see your family at all for the day, and if you don't they have a flippant attitude like it's your own fault you are too apathetic to vote.
Seriously though, I don't want to make a huge deal out of this but this is a classic American attitude. You don't know anyone who has trouble voting so you can't imagine how anyone would, and you resist change...out of spite?
However if you know you can’t vote on a certain day because of work what is the excuse to not get an absentee ballot?Post edited by mcgruff10 onI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
cincybearcat said:It shouldn’t take that long to vote. If we weren’t a “I want it now” culture...multiple day voting would help. I would agree re:weekend. But look how weird people got about not getting iowa results instantaneously
(Obviously we also have pre-voting (by mail or visiting a voting place) for a month or whatever before, but many people want to dress up and go on election day. I would guess it's the same in the US)
So yes, just put it on a weekend."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Spiritual_Chaos said:Sweden has it on the third sunday of September. Results come the same night. I get that the US is bigger. But the whole machine is also therefore bigger. Never heard any critique here about there being a problem with people not being able to vote etc.
(Obviously we also have pre-voting (by mail or visiting a voting place) for a month or whatever before, but many people want to dress up and go on election day. I would guess it's the same in the US)
So yes, just put it on a weekend.
Unfortunately making it easier to vote is not exactly the GOP playbook0 -
Pete out :(0
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I always waved off people who were militantly against early voting, but man oh man. People can't be thrilled if they voted for Steyer or Buttigieg last week.0
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pjl44 said:I always waved off people who were militantly against early voting, but man oh man. People can't be thrilled if they voted for Steyer or Buttigieg last week.hippiemom = goodness0
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Biden rally in VA tonight and you can hear the energy. Unlike those endless onsite news reports from Iowa for 9 months with crickets in the background.
One single day later, with Pete and Tom out, and Biden with a huge win, this feels like an entirely different year.0 -
Lerxst1992 said:Pete out :(
Surprising. He was so into it, I didn't expect him to drop out before Klobuchar.
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Lerxst1992 said:Pete out :(2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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Lerxst1992 said:Pete out :(
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pjhawks said:this is why process is so flawed. so Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina get to widdle out the candidates i was interested in for the Democratic nominee.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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Ledbetterman10 said:It’s such a shitty system for exactly this reason.
Yeah, agreed both. That, and the fact that only REALLY wealthy people ever have a shot at it.
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pjhawks said:this is why process is so flawed. so Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina get to widdle out the candidates i was interested in for the Democratic nominee. now i get to choose between a bunch of old geezers and a woman (Klobachar who has no shot anyway) that i don't really have a full interest in. wonderful. fuck the Dems are going to blow this again.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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brianlux said:
Yeah, agreed both. That, and the fact that only REALLY wealthy people ever have a shot at it.0 -
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Yeah, agreed both. That, and the fact that only REALLY wealthy people ever have a shot at it.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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