The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,068
    edited March 2020


    Sanders got only 33% of the NV vote. Only because of party rules did it look comparable to SC. It was clearly not.

    the same rules that benefit sander now and on super Tues - he’ll be complaining about at the convention when the rules will hurt him

    i’m not sure if you remember this Obama fella, but we need African Americans to be energized to win. Clinton too. Bill.



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    Didn't he get 40%, while having to go against the super union urging its voters to vote against him?

    Biden won by cheating with that "using the flute in Super Mario Bros 3"-endorsement and having every third word be "Obama".

    NO CHEATERS IN THE WHITE HOUSE 2020.

    There is a humbleness in Joe that I dig. Comes of really good here. The surge has begun, all the way to the presidency:

    https://youtu.be/33S7puuwCuI
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,589
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m definitely not a fan of red flag laws.  A very slippery slope imo.  
    Do you make threats to your wife or kids? Co-workers? Smack them around a little first? Threaten to shoot them if they don't pick up their toys or don't clean the bathroom or cook your steak just as you like? Threaten to shoot the store clerk who doesn't give you your change fast enough? Wave a gun around when someone cuts you off in traffic? No, of course not. You seem by all intent and from your posts, to be a "responsible" gun owner. What is the slippery slope you're worried about regarding red flag laws?

    Nearly 1 million women in the U.S. today who have survived being shot or shot at by an intimate partner share Cretain’s journey, researchers say. Yet, more than two decades after Cretain’s shooting, women and children in the U.S. are hardly any safer from domestic abuse or from violence outside the home by intimate partners—and guns are largely to blame. Intimate partner homicides that involve firearms are increasing, research shows, while those involving other weapons, like knives, are falling. Between 2010 and 2017, intimate partner homicides that involved guns increased by 26%, a study found in March.

    According to new data released Thursday by the gun control group Everytown for Gun Safety, 80% of children killed in mass shootings—defined as those in which at least four people other than the shooter died—were shot in incidents tied to family or intimate partner violence between 2009 and 2018. In a recent murder-suicide that shook the community, a Massachusetts man shot and killed his wife and their three children—an 11-year-old girl and 9-year-old twins—before turning the gun on himself, authorities said. The family of five was found dead in its Abington, Mass. home.

    https://time.com/5702435/domestic-violence-gun-violence/

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,412
    It was not. Shown by my response above.
    Jewish identity is not an issue that is part of this campaign,  so it's irrelevant.  And stupid.  Might as well use white,  messy hair as a point.  It's just as relevant. 
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,808
    My problem with red flag laws is that due process is taken away.   I understand why the law is put in place and do see some advantages/saving people lives but like I said, it is a slippery slope.  

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,068
    mrussel1 said:
    Jewish identity is not an issue that is part of this campaign,  so it's irrelevant.  And stupid.  Might as well use white,  messy hair as a point.  It's just as relevant. 
    Would also make my point.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,808

    This is the most Jewish election in U.S. history. Amazingly, no one cares.

    Bernie Sanders and Mike Bloomberg are running for president not as Jews, but as Americans.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/this-is-the-most-jewish-election-in-us-history-amazingly-no-one-cares/2020/02/27/24672dfc-58e2-11ea-9000-f3cffee23036_story.html

    On Feb. 18, Bloomberg News published an article with the headline "Bloomberg Campaign Says It's a Two-Man Race for the Nomination." Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) tweeted the link with the caption, "It's almost as if he owns the media." Cruz was trying to point out that the flattering headline appeared in an outlet that former New York mayor Mike Bloomberg owns, rendering its judgment suspect. But in replacing a demonstrative pronoun ("this media") with a definite article ("the media"), Cruz skidded from a true statement (Mike Bloomberg does own Bloomberg News) into an old anti-Semitic stereotype about Jews controlling the — or really all — media. 

    It might have seemed like a harbinger of what's to come: This Democratic primary contest is, after all, a historic race for American Jews. The other man in the "Two-Man Race for the Nomination" is Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), an avowed socialist and another Jew, who looks like the front-runner after coasting through the first three contests, itself a historic feat for a Jewish candidate. The faceoff between the Jewish billionaire and the Jewish socialist is the most Jewish political moment in American history, and predictions have abounded that a wave of hatred is about to hit as the two gain steam, evoking mythological anti-Semitic creatures to rapacious anti-Semites: The Elder of Zion and the Judeo-Bolshevik in a race for control of America! The Daily Stormer headlines write themselves.

    I'm not as worried. To me, Cruz's infelicitous tweet read like the kind of unfortunate mistake you make when you forget someone is Jewish, rather than when you target them for it. While Jews may see two 78-year-old Jewish men running against each other (arguing about who's had more stents and who has more houses, like at the kiddush in a Conservative shul), that's not how America writ large perceives this race. Sanders and Bloomberg are barely registering in mainstream politics as Jewish. It's a remarkable, final gift from the goldeneh medinah — the golden land, as Yiddish-speaking immigrants once called the United States — at a time when American Jews have never needed it more.

    Take, for example, the recent vandalism of Bloomberg's campaign offices with epithets including "racist," "sexist," "oligarch" and "corporate pig." Yes, Bloomberg is Jewish, and yes, some of the insults were about his wealth, but none of the graffiti was anti-Semitic. The hatred seemingly fueling the vandalism was based on class warfare, not race or religion; the vandals clearly didn't target Bloomberg as a Jew but as a billionaire, and well, they apparently believe it's time to "Eat the Rich," as they spray-painted on the Flint, Mich., headquarters.

    The vandalism is just the most extreme example of something true across the board when it comes to Bloomberg: Most of the criticism he faces, aside from censure over the racist stop-and-frisk policy he instituted as mayor, focuses on his staggering wealth and how he's used it to buy power and influence. That is a familiar Jewish stereotype, yet it's not anti-Semitic in this case because Bloomberg's Jewishness is completely irrelevant; he's accused of these things not because he's Jewish but because he's Bloomberg. Anti-Semitic canards are based on generalizations and myths. This critique is specific.

    Sanders, too, seems to exist in the American imagination independent from his Jewishness. Take the myriad articles exploring his popularity among Latinos, many of whom call him Tío Bernie, the articles tell us, despite the fact that he is a "white, 78-year-old senator from Vermont." The mystery these articles seek to solve is never how young Latinos could identify with an old Jew or even an old white Jew, but how they could identify with an old white guy and how they came to claim him as one of their own. The narrative erases Sanders's Jewish identity.


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    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,068
    edited March 2020
    What do people on here think of Sam Seder?
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,068
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    edited March 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    single issue voter
    says more about you, than the choices you have been presented with
    would rather feed into wedge issues division politics
    inability to step back look at the big picture
    congrats
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,068
    edited March 2020
    People even having a thing like Guns being an issue is and I guess never will not be mindblowing to me.

    It like if someone would have "Cars" as an issue. 

    Chuck Todd: But Mr candidate, you are avoiding the question -- in 1984 you voted for having seatbelts on being a law. Did you not?

    Candidate: All I can tell you Todd, is that I have a D minus grade from the seatbelt lobby. Okey? 

    WE
    CAN'T
    MAKE
    HAVING
    GUNS IN SOCIETY
    SAFER AND MORE SOUND
    BECAUSE
    REASONS
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,959
    People even having a thing like Guns being an issue is and I guess never will not be mindblowing to me.

    It like if someone would have "Cars" as an issue. 

    Chuck Todd: But Mr candidate, you are avoiding the question -- in 1984 you voted for having seatbelts on being a law. Did you not?

    Candidate: All I can tell you Todd, is that I have a D minus grade from the seatbelt lobby. Okey? 

    WE
    CAN'T
    MAKE
    HAVING
    GUNS IN SOCIETY
    SAFER AND MORE SOUND
    BECAUSE
    REASONS

    You know what's funny (but not really haha funny) is that the only place, the ONLY place I've seen the gun issue entering conversation related to the Democratic primary is this Pearl Jam, A Moving Train forum.  This place seems to be obsessed with the whole gun thing.  Weird, just weird.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,068
    edited March 2020
    brianlux said:

    You know what's funny (but not really haha funny) is that the only place, the ONLY place I've seen the gun issue entering conversation related to the Democratic primary is this Pearl Jam, A Moving Train forum.  This place seems to be obsessed with the whole gun thing.  Weird, just weird.
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    ... and were all "1 out of 10 is pretty good, but hopefully we can make it 2 out of 10 in the future" 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    I’ve seen it elsewhere, just as other (sometimes polarizing) issues arise. 

    I don’t know that it’s an obsession if some discuss it as one of their considerations in regards to the election. 

    May not be my thing, but maybe mine isn’t theirs either. 

    One man’s treasure and all...
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,808
    hedonist said:
    I’ve seen it elsewhere, just as other (sometimes polarizing) issues arise. 

    I don’t know that it’s an obsession if some discuss it as one of their considerations in regards to the election. 

    May not be my thing, but maybe mine isn’t theirs either. 

    One man’s treasure and all...
    I didn’t write the article but it is obviously a big issue for a lot of people. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,808
    CM189191 said:
    single issue voter
    says more about you, than the choices you have been presented with
    would rather feed into wedge issues division politics
    inability to step back look at the big picture
    congrats
    I m not a single issue voter at all. I just agree with the article.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,068
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,412
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,068
    mrussel1 said:
    This is too much math for me.

    WHERE IS YANG?!
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,412
    This is too much math for me.

    WHERE IS YANG?!
    Chilling with Steyer
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,959
    This is too much math for me.

    WHERE IS YANG?!

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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,068
    What is the argument for not having election day on a weekend (saturday/sunday) when the most people are free from work?


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,951
    What is the argument for not having election day on a weekend (saturday/sunday) when the most people are free from work?
    The argument is the same argument that Is the cause of most problems with American politics...

    ”That’s how they’ve always done it.”

    Elections should be on weekends and/or make Election Day in November a holiday....or make Veterans Day and Election Day the same day to kill two patriotic birds with one stone. 

    I‘m lucky that my polling place is a church basement where you’re right in and right out. But for folks in bigger cities? They wait in lines that could be hours. It’s a joke. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,808
    Polls open six am and close at 8 or 9 and we have absentee ballots.  No need to switch Election Day. Find five minutes and vote.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,412
    mcgruff10 said:
    Polls open six am and close at 8 or 9 and we have absentee ballots.  No need to switch Election Day. Find five minutes and vote.  
    It's not 5 minutes on general election day.  It took me over an hour because of the lines.  It should be weekends or a national holiday.  
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,808
    edited March 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    It's not 5 minutes on general election day.  It took me over an hour because of the lines.  It should be weekends or a national holiday.  
    I ve never waited more than two or three minutes.  
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,641
    mrussel1 said:
    It's not 5 minutes on general election day.  It took me over an hour because of the lines.  It should be weekends or a national holiday.  
    It shouldn’t take that long to vote. If we weren’t a “I want it now” culture...multiple day voting would help. I would agree re:weekend. But look how weird people got about not getting iowa results instantaneously 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,412
    mcgruff10 said:
    I ve never waited more than two or three minutes.  
    That's one experience.  Im sure you've seen voting lines on tv before right? I can tell you that big turnouts equal big lines for me.  

    A democratic government should create as few hurdles as possible to participating.  
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,808
    Upon thinking about this for a minute it would make total sense to move voting day to a weekend      Or 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,808
    mrussel1 said:
    That's one experience.  Im sure you've seen voting lines on tv before right? I can tell you that big turnouts equal big lines for me.  

    A democratic government should create as few hurdles as possible to participating.  
    Yeah I stand corrected, voting should be on the weekend. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,412
    mcgruff10 said:
    Upon thinking about this for a minute it would make total sense to move voting day to a weekend      Or 
    Voting on the 19th century would take place all month.  I'm not certain when it went to one day. 
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