Hey how about those 2 missing Ten Club singles!
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Where’s the lie?JB16057 said:
This wasn't necessary at all. He lied to the fans and Pearl Jam backs him for it. That's pretty sick to think that the band would allow and encourage dishonesty in the 10c.Tim Simmons said:I assume because he didn't want to put the band on blast in an official response to the Attorney General. By leaving it vague and calling it "the process of making a vinyl record" or whatever, leaves it open to any number of factors.0 -
We don’t need to encourage that as wellHughFreakingDillon said:
people have gotten their song request granted for bumping threads. so no, it's not delusional at all.Vedd Hedd said:
No. But I am also not delusional enough to think that by keeping this thread alive it will spark something.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Did you get your singles?Vedd Hedd said:This thread still going?
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i'm not. he's saying it's delusional to think posting on this message board will get anything done. there is direct evidence to dispute that.Tim Simmons said:
We don’t need to encourage that as wellHughFreakingDillon said:
people have gotten their song request granted for bumping threads. so no, it's not delusional at all.Vedd Hedd said:
No. But I am also not delusional enough to think that by keeping this thread alive it will spark something.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Did you get your singles?Vedd Hedd said:This thread still going?
Oh good.....By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
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Tim Simmons said:
Where’s the lie?JB16057 said:
This wasn't necessary at all. He lied to the fans and Pearl Jam backs him for it. That's pretty sick to think that the band would allow and encourage dishonesty in the 10c.Tim Simmons said:I assume because he didn't want to put the band on blast in an official response to the Attorney General. By leaving it vague and calling it "the process of making a vinyl record" or whatever, leaves it open to any number of factors.Tim Bierman said, "because of the nature of creating vinyl records, there is not an exact date we can provide to the customers."This isn't an honest answer and I believe it is a lie. Like you stated and I agree, the delay is the band. It has nothing to do with producing a vinyl record. Also, when you place an order to make vinyl records, they would give you a date of when to expect the records. He lied. He didn't have to say anything about creating vinyl records because no order was ever placed. With the above statement, he's trying to blame the manufacturer of the records when they have nothing to do with any of this.
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10c is aware of the problem. Adding 1000 more lines to this post wont matter.HughFreakingDillon said:
people have gotten their song request granted for bumping threads. so no, it's not delusional at all.Vedd Hedd said:
No. But I am also not delusional enough to think that by keeping this thread alive it will spark something.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Did you get your singles?Vedd Hedd said:This thread still going?
Oh good.....
Turn this anger into
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No. Im saying keeping this particular thread alive wont force the issue.HughFreakingDillon said:
i'm not. he's saying it's delusional to think posting on this message board will get anything done. there is direct evidence to dispute that.Tim Simmons said:
We don’t need to encourage that as wellHughFreakingDillon said:
people have gotten their song request granted for bumping threads. so no, it's not delusional at all.Vedd Hedd said:
No. But I am also not delusional enough to think that by keeping this thread alive it will spark something.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Did you get your singles?Vedd Hedd said:This thread still going?
Oh good.....
They know the issue. They will do it when they do it. Do I want i sooner? Sure.
But do you think 1000 more replies to this...THATS when action will be taken?
Or do you think they will do it when they have something definite?Turn this anger into
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See, when I read "because of the nature of creating vinyl records", I think of the whole process from conceptualization to shipping them off to customers. He didn't say mastering, plating, review, pressing or waiting on delivery, or any other specific step of the process. Like I said earlier, I think one poster assumed it meant pressing and ran with it and everyone else soon did thereafter.JB16057 said:Tim Simmons said:
Where’s the lie?JB16057 said:
This wasn't necessary at all. He lied to the fans and Pearl Jam backs him for it. That's pretty sick to think that the band would allow and encourage dishonesty in the 10c.Tim Simmons said:I assume because he didn't want to put the band on blast in an official response to the Attorney General. By leaving it vague and calling it "the process of making a vinyl record" or whatever, leaves it open to any number of factors.Tim Bierman said, "because of the nature of creating vinyl records, there is not an exact date we can provide to the customers."This isn't an honest answer and I believe it is a lie. Like you stated and I agree, the delay is the band. It has nothing to do with producing a vinyl record. Also, when you place an order to make vinyl records, they would give you a date of when to expect the records. He lied. He didn't have to say anything about creating vinyl records because no order was ever placed. With the above statement, he's trying to blame the manufacturer of the records when they have nothing to do with any of this.
Thats fair if you think thats a lie. I don't.0 -
I'd rather be vocal about an issue that I have knowing that it won't do any good rather than staying silent. One of Pearl Jam's M.O.'s is to stand up for what you believe in. These singles are a couple days or weeks late. It has been years now and the band have chosen it to be this way. Why? I thought the 10c was the official Pearl Jam fan club. What is the 10c without band participation? I think we are seeing this right now and have been for the last 3-4+ years. If you can't give your fan club the attention you obligated yourself for, maybe it's time to shut it down?I would hope 1990 Pearl Jam would be ashamed of how the 2020 Pearl Jam treats the Ten Club.0
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That's totally fair and I respect your opinion.Tim Simmons said:
Thats fair if you think thats a lie. I don't.
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Ya, If that were true, all would be forgiven.xjoshfromworkx said:MAYBE it's taking so long to put these singles out because the band has to sign every copy first and it's not easy to get them all in the same room at the same time to get them all signed.
WE'RE ALL GETTING SIGNED COPIES!
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At best its a vague statement intended to transfer blame to someone else. I've come to accept that I'll never receive these. In my experience when people or businesses speak in generalities without specific dates they are just trying to delay any resolution. Its hard for customers to stay mad for too long. They just give up and move on.Tim Simmons said:
See, when I read "because of the nature of creating vinyl records", I think of the whole process from conceptualization to shipping them off to customers. He didn't say mastering, plating, review, pressing or waiting on delivery, or any other specific step of the process. Like I said earlier, I think one poster assumed it meant pressing and ran with it and everyone else soon did thereafter.JB16057 said:Tim Simmons said:
Where’s the lie?JB16057 said:
This wasn't necessary at all. He lied to the fans and Pearl Jam backs him for it. That's pretty sick to think that the band would allow and encourage dishonesty in the 10c.Tim Simmons said:I assume because he didn't want to put the band on blast in an official response to the Attorney General. By leaving it vague and calling it "the process of making a vinyl record" or whatever, leaves it open to any number of factors.Tim Bierman said, "because of the nature of creating vinyl records, there is not an exact date we can provide to the customers."This isn't an honest answer and I believe it is a lie. Like you stated and I agree, the delay is the band. It has nothing to do with producing a vinyl record. Also, when you place an order to make vinyl records, they would give you a date of when to expect the records. He lied. He didn't have to say anything about creating vinyl records because no order was ever placed. With the above statement, he's trying to blame the manufacturer of the records when they have nothing to do with any of this.
Thats fair if you think thats a lie. I don't.
And this is a real shame since it doesn't appear that putting out a couple songs should be this much of an issue. Send out Can't Deny Me and a live B side. Or Cold Confession/Let It Ride. Record a new cover or just use one of the live ones from 2018 (Dirty Water, Tail Lights Fade, We Are Gonna Be Friends).Boston (4/10/94), Hartford (10/2/96), Barre (8/22/98), Hartford (9/13/98), Mansfield (9/15/98 + 9/16/98), Mansfield (8/29/00 + 8/30/00), Mansfield (7/2/03 + 7/11/03), Boston (9/28/04), Hartford (5/13/06), Boston (5/24/06 + 5/25/06), Hartford (6/27/08), Mansfield (6/28/08 + 6/30/08), Philadelphia (10/31/09), Hartford (5/15/10), Worcester (10/15/13 + 10/16/13), Hartford (10/25/13), New York (5/1/16), Boston (8/5/16 + 8/7/16), Boston (9/2/18 + 9/4/18)0 -
I mean, this is pretty much why they stopped the 7". I wouldn't be surprised if they are phasing out the club what with them partnering with TM to sell this tour. TBH, I kinda don't blame them. They are a less active band now. They can't get a W in anyway with the fanbase. w/o a single, all the club offers is ticket access and even that could go away with preferred fan whatever and the fan to fan exchange.JB16057 said:I'd rather be vocal about an issue that I have knowing that it won't do any good rather than staying silent. One of Pearl Jam's M.O.'s is to stand up for what you believe in. These singles are a couple days or weeks late. It has been years now and the band have chosen it to be this way. Why? I thought the 10c was the official Pearl Jam fan club. What is the 10c without band participation? I think we are seeing this right now and have been for the last 3-4+ years. If you can't give your fan club the attention you obligated yourself for, maybe it's time to shut it down?
Tim executive produced the DotC video, which seems like a new role outside of 10c management (maybe its in his purview though).
Just speculating.
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well then stop contributing to it. LOLVedd Hedd said:
10c is aware of the problem. Adding 1000 more lines to this post wont matter.HughFreakingDillon said:
people have gotten their song request granted for bumping threads. so no, it's not delusional at all.Vedd Hedd said:
No. But I am also not delusional enough to think that by keeping this thread alive it will spark something.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Did you get your singles?Vedd Hedd said:This thread still going?
Oh good.....By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
The fan club is still here because I'm guessing that it makes the band a lot of money. They take dues for the opportunity to sell tickets. They sell exclusive merchandise. If this wasn't profitable I think that they would have shut it down long ago.JB16057 said:I'd rather be vocal about an issue that I have knowing that it won't do any good rather than staying silent. One of Pearl Jam's M.O.'s is to stand up for what you believe in. These singles are a couple days or weeks late. It has been years now and the band have chosen it to be this way. Why? I thought the 10c was the official Pearl Jam fan club. What is the 10c without band participation? I think we are seeing this right now and have been for the last 3-4+ years. If you can't give your fan club the attention you obligated yourself for, maybe it's time to shut it down?I would hope 1990 Pearl Jam would be ashamed of how the 2020 Pearl Jam treats the Ten Club.
All of that is fine. I personally think that my membership is one of the best things I get each year. But I think that I may be switching to digital next year.Boston (4/10/94), Hartford (10/2/96), Barre (8/22/98), Hartford (9/13/98), Mansfield (9/15/98 + 9/16/98), Mansfield (8/29/00 + 8/30/00), Mansfield (7/2/03 + 7/11/03), Boston (9/28/04), Hartford (5/13/06), Boston (5/24/06 + 5/25/06), Hartford (6/27/08), Mansfield (6/28/08 + 6/30/08), Philadelphia (10/31/09), Hartford (5/15/10), Worcester (10/15/13 + 10/16/13), Hartford (10/25/13), New York (5/1/16), Boston (8/5/16 + 8/7/16), Boston (9/2/18 + 9/4/18)0 -
I'm sure they do well from the club (outside of an album release or tour), but playing 1 show probably makes them way more than dues.
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and how long have they had now to do all of the above including pressing?...Tim Simmons said:
See, when I read "because of the nature of creating vinyl records", I think of the whole process from conceptualization to shipping them off to customers. He didn't say mastering, plating, review, pressing or waiting on delivery, or any other specific step of the process. Like I said earlier, I think one poster assumed it meant pressing and ran with it and everyone else soon did thereafter.JB16057 said:Tim Simmons said:
Where’s the lie?JB16057 said:
This wasn't necessary at all. He lied to the fans and Pearl Jam backs him for it. That's pretty sick to think that the band would allow and encourage dishonesty in the 10c.Tim Simmons said:I assume because he didn't want to put the band on blast in an official response to the Attorney General. By leaving it vague and calling it "the process of making a vinyl record" or whatever, leaves it open to any number of factors.Tim Bierman said, "because of the nature of creating vinyl records, there is not an exact date we can provide to the customers."This isn't an honest answer and I believe it is a lie. Like you stated and I agree, the delay is the band. It has nothing to do with producing a vinyl record. Also, when you place an order to make vinyl records, they would give you a date of when to expect the records. He lied. He didn't have to say anything about creating vinyl records because no order was ever placed. With the above statement, he's trying to blame the manufacturer of the records when they have nothing to do with any of this.
Thats fair if you think thats a lie. I don't.st. pete '94
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Good point.HughFreakingDillon said:
well then stop contributing to it. LOLVedd Hedd said:
10c is aware of the problem. Adding 1000 more lines to this post wont matter.HughFreakingDillon said:
people have gotten their song request granted for bumping threads. so no, it's not delusional at all.Vedd Hedd said:
No. But I am also not delusional enough to think that by keeping this thread alive it will spark something.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Did you get your singles?Vedd Hedd said:This thread still going?
Oh good.....
Turn this anger into
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Dude, I get it, but if the band is dragging feet in choosing songs or making art, theres nothing anyone who is employed by them can do.my_wave said:
and how long have they had now to do all of the above including pressing?...Tim Simmons said:
See, when I read "because of the nature of creating vinyl records", I think of the whole process from conceptualization to shipping them off to customers. He didn't say mastering, plating, review, pressing or waiting on delivery, or any other specific step of the process. Like I said earlier, I think one poster assumed it meant pressing and ran with it and everyone else soon did thereafter.JB16057 said:Tim Simmons said:
Where’s the lie?JB16057 said:
This wasn't necessary at all. He lied to the fans and Pearl Jam backs him for it. That's pretty sick to think that the band would allow and encourage dishonesty in the 10c.Tim Simmons said:I assume because he didn't want to put the band on blast in an official response to the Attorney General. By leaving it vague and calling it "the process of making a vinyl record" or whatever, leaves it open to any number of factors.Tim Bierman said, "because of the nature of creating vinyl records, there is not an exact date we can provide to the customers."This isn't an honest answer and I believe it is a lie. Like you stated and I agree, the delay is the band. It has nothing to do with producing a vinyl record. Also, when you place an order to make vinyl records, they would give you a date of when to expect the records. He lied. He didn't have to say anything about creating vinyl records because no order was ever placed. With the above statement, he's trying to blame the manufacturer of the records when they have nothing to do with any of this.
Thats fair if you think thats a lie. I don't.
Technically if an email was sent to the band asking for material, its 'in progress' and 'part of the nature of creating vinyl records'.
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They need to fulfill their obligations, it’s sad that they can’t provide an update0
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