RIP Kobe Bryant

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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    edited January 2020
    Wobbie said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    They’re airing his final game where he went for 60  on ESPN right now. 

    that was a damn joke. he jacked up 70 shots. I watched as a Jazz fan. As I remember, that loss may have eliminated the jazz from the playoffs.
    50...but, yeah, still an inefficient performance. He was always a high volume, inefficient scorer. Fitting way to go out.
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  • Poncier
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    cdthomas1981 said:
    Very sad of what happened to him, his daughter and the 7 other people on that aircraft.  I've always been jaded against Bryant since what happened in CO in 2003, so I've never held him in high regard the way I did Jordan.  Although seeing a lot of the reaction from athletes and fans, he had a Jordan-like influence in many ways. 
    Jordan wasn't always a model citizen, though obviously no allegations as serious as Kobe. I like the thinking of Charles Barkley when it comes to athletes and their perception in the public eye, "I'm no role model". 
    Kobe in the 2nd act of his life was a great ambassador for basketball, specifically women's basketball, and a number of other things. But kids should look up much more to the real influences in their lives like their parents, teachers etc. and not guys they see on TV dunking basketballs or scoring touchdowns.
    This is a horrible tragedy. Three 13 year old girls lost their lives before they really even started. 4 families have lost at least one parent (one lost both). That's what the focus should be. If its just some LA businessman who chartered the chopper, its a big story in SoCal and a blip elsewhere, because its a world famous athlete, we all hear about it and we should all grieve for all who were lost and their families.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • crookedcross
    crookedcross Right Near Da Beach, Boiii Posts: 1,545
    edited January 2020
    Welp. The first half of this thread was good, then it turned real quick
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  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    Seems that the pilot's decision to fly through the fog was questionable, at best, and may have proved to be a fatal one.  Frightening stuff.
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,889
    bbiggs said:
    Seems that the pilot's decision to fly through the fog was questionable, at best, and may have proved to be a fatal one.  Frightening stuff.
    Yeah the 2 articles I read this morning make it sound like the last minutes of these peoples' lives were absolutely terrifying. Rapid climb followed by more rapid descent then boom.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 Posts: 10,832
    speed was the culprit, Pilot could have moved at a snails pace (15mph) but was going much too fast

    RIP to ALL the victims
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    Yeah, was hoping it wasn't a drawn out thing and they weren't anticipating what happened, especially with the kids, but doesn't sound like that was the case.  Horrible.
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    CROJAM95 said:
    speed was the culprit, Pilot could have moved at a snails pace (15mph) but was going much too fast

    RIP to ALL the victims

    Speed aside, my understanding is that the pilot was not licensed to fly "instrument only," meaning the use of the machine's devices only in lieu of visibility.  I'm no pilot, so I may be off on some of the terminology.  In any case, if he wasn't authorized to fly using those methods, and wasn't authorized to fly in that airspace, given the heavy fog, it sounds like he made the fatal call to ignore both.  The outcome is tragic, no matter the cause, but I guess you'd rather hear it was mechanical failure rather than user error that took 9 lives.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    bbiggs said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    speed was the culprit, Pilot could have moved at a snails pace (15mph) but was going much too fast

    RIP to ALL the victims

    Speed aside, my understanding is that the pilot was not licensed to fly "instrument only," meaning the use of the machine's devices only in lieu of visibility.  I'm no pilot, so I may be off on some of the terminology.  In any case, if he wasn't authorized to fly using those methods, and wasn't authorized to fly in that airspace, given the heavy fog, it sounds like he made the fatal call to ignore both.  The outcome is tragic, no matter the cause, but I guess you'd rather hear it was mechanical failure rather than user error that took 9 lives.
    I'm not a pilot, but I think that it was IFR (instrument flight rules) in effect, but he requested that he use VFR (visual).  It was approved but because he was using visual only (which is faster), he failed to see the change in the landscape.  The pilot was licensed in either, and considering he was an instructor, I don't see how he could teach without being rated for IFR
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    He was instrument only licensed.  Definitely seems like pilot error though.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    I don't know what happened and this is not an attack on anyone, but this wouldn't be the first time a VIP told a driver or a pilot, "We're late. just get us there."
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    Renfield said:
    Renfield said:
    Victims of the Calabasas helicopter crash: Christina Mauser, Ara Zobayan, Altobelli family - The Washington Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/01/27/victims-calabasas-helicopter-crash/
    @tempo_n_groove
    TY.  Read about the coach earlier today.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    edited January 2020
    You can't change the past, so I'd rather it be human error that pilots can learn from than the safety of the helicopter being in question. 
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    edited January 2020
    Shaq on Kobe...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsNf7KxejKI
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  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    ^ Saw that. That’s some real emotion right there. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,385
    bbiggs said:
    ^ Saw that. That’s some real emotion right there. 
    I watched up until West went on.  It was painful to watch.  Not sure why you would want to watch people visibly upset and Ernie milking the situation.

    This was in poor taste in my eyes.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Did anyone watch the Real Sports (HBO) episode on Kobe last night?  I recorded but curious if it was worth the watch.  
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,385
    mrussel1 said:
    Did anyone watch the Real Sports (HBO) episode on Kobe last night?  I recorded but curious if it was worth the watch.  
    Real Sports and E60 usually do really good jobs on reporting.  I will check that one out, thanks.
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,277
    The Juggler said:
    Wobbie said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    They’re airing his final game where he went for 60  on ESPN right now. 

    that was a damn joke. he jacked up 70 shots. I watched as a Jazz fan. As I remember, that loss may have eliminated the jazz from the playoffs.
    50...but, yeah, still an inefficient performance. He was always a high volume, inefficient scorer. Fitting way to go out.

    my bad. I added FGA and 3’s attempted. I guess 3’s figure in the FGA.

    yesterday, I heard people comparing the decision to play games to the post JKK assassination and post 9/11 decisions. come on! kobe’s death hardly approaches those tragedies, IMO. 
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,385
    Wobbie said:
    The Juggler said:
    Wobbie said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    They’re airing his final game where he went for 60  on ESPN right now. 

    that was a damn joke. he jacked up 70 shots. I watched as a Jazz fan. As I remember, that loss may have eliminated the jazz from the playoffs.
    50...but, yeah, still an inefficient performance. He was always a high volume, inefficient scorer. Fitting way to go out.

    my bad. I added FGA and 3’s attempted. I guess 3’s figure in the FGA.

    yesterday, I heard people comparing the decision to play games to the post JKK assassination and post 9/11 decisions. come on! kobe’s death hardly approaches those tragedies, IMO. 
    Heard that too.  People being upset that games weren't rescheduled is just ridiculous.

    I really appreciated the dribble out by both teams to start the games.  That was ultimate class.  That will be talked about wayyyy more than rescheduling the game.  People lived that moment for Kobe.

    This is not a JFK or 9/11 worthy moment.

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