RIP Kobe Bryant

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

Redemption requires an acknowledgement and admission of guilt and honest efforts to make amends to the person harmed. Do people think that adequately happened? 

yes. 

+1

No it didn't. He never admitted to raping her and wasn't convicted of it either...

The Juggler said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

Redemption requires an acknowledgement and admission of guilt and honest efforts to make amends to the person harmed. Do people think that adequately happened? 

yes. 

+1

No it didn't. He never admitted to raping her and wasn't convicted of it either...

k, I somewhat read often's question incorrectly. No, he didn't make amends to the person harmed. But he moved forward making amends to the broader community of women, in my opinion. 

however, I can't personally reconcile "I thought it was consensual". I mean, if she was screaming and saying no the entire time, how is that not obvious? so there's obviously more to it. 

CM189191 said:

Renfield said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Talk about being desperate for attention on a message board. And I don't even disagree with you on Kobe. But come on. You're just trolling. 

He/she is not going to stop until it becomes a nasty argument, name calling and thread shutdown. Why can’t he/she begin their own thread? 

interesting point....how many women are in this thread defending Kobe?  Any?  

I was really disappointed to see Alicia Keys pay tribute last night.  I expected more from her.  

Literally just walked out of the faculty room and six women were all saying how upset they were over this. 

bbiggs said:

CM189191 said:

Renfield said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Talk about being desperate for attention on a message board. And I don't even disagree with you on Kobe. But come on. You're just trolling. 

He/she is not going to stop until it becomes a nasty argument, name calling and thread shutdown. Why can’t he/she begin their own thread? 

interesting point....how many women are in this thread defending Kobe?  Any?  

I was really disappointed to see Alicia Keys pay tribute last night.  I expected more from her.  

Millions of women across the world paid tribute yesterday. I think you have a bigger beef on your hands than just Alicia Keys. 

To be a devil's advocate, I think there are millions of women that will pay tribute to Bill Clinton when he dies too. 

The Juggler said:

CM189191 said:

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

Redemption requires an acknowledgement and admission of guilt and honest efforts to make amends to the person harmed. Do people think that adequately happened? 

yes. 

+1

No it didn't. He never admitted to raping her and wasn't convicted of it either...

k, I somewhat read often's question incorrectly. No, he didn't make amends to the person harmed. But he moved forward making amends to the broader community of women, in my opinion. 

however, I can't personally reconcile "I thought it was consensual". I mean, if she was screaming and saying no the entire time, how is that not obvious? so there's obviously more to it. 

We were not there. According to him she wasn't doing that. She said no to his.....placing some bodily fluids on her face. The fact that she said no to that and didn't say no to anything else is the reason he thought it was consensual. At least, from what I remember...

So my point is he never apologized for raping her because he believes he did not rape her. 

Kobe also lied about having sex with her at all in the first place.  Then he suddenly remember strangling her after being confronted with additional evidence.  

Bryant initially told investigators that he did not have sexual intercourse with his accuser, a 19-year-old woman who worked at the hotel where Bryant was staying. When the officers told Bryant that she had taken an exam that yielded physical evidence, such as semen, Bryant admitted to having sexual intercourse with her, but stated that the sex was consensual. 

When asked about bruises on the accuser's neck, Bryant admitted to "strangling" her during the encounter, stating that he held her "from the back" "around her neck", that strangling during sex was his "thing" and that he had a pattern of strangling a different sex partner (not his wife) during their recurring sexual encounters. When asked how hard he was holding onto her neck, Bryant stated, "My hands are strong. I don't know." 

Bryant's defense lawyer Pamela Mackey asserted that the accuser was taking an anti-psychotic drug for the treatment of schizophrenia at the time of the incident. In addition to the woman's moral character and reputation being challenged by Bryant's defense lawyer, she received death threats and hate mail and her identity was leaked multiple times.

real nice guy

Did I say he was a nice guy? I believe I said earlier that he was an arrogant asshole going back to high school.

She also lied to investigators about numerous things. Another man's semen and pubic hair were found on her underwear. 

And somewhere in the middle is the truth.

CM189191 said:

josevolution said:

CM189191 said:

mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

My thoughts, he made a huge mistake that people in power/ money feel entitled to with no consequences. Probably the first time in his life that he couldn't cover it up as he was a pro from HS. From there, he did reform. Fixed his family, publicly apologized and did do a lot of charity work. Definitely one of the best ever players but questionable morals for half his life. I feel terrible for his wife and surviving children. 

And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the p****. You can do anything.

Wait at least a day before you dance on the grave.  Everyone knows your pov.

And what point of view is that?

Rapists = bad ?

That the world is a better place with one less rapist in it? 

That point of view?

Evidently you don't believe in contrition or redemption.  Good for you.  

I believe in redemption

Remind me again how many days Kobe spent in jail?

That's cool that you're also happy that three young girls lost their father,  including am infant.  

If he was in jail instead of on a helicopter he might still be alive

This thread is to mourn the man & his daughter tragically killed in an accident, if you wanna bash it’s your choice so please start your own thread to bash him ..

I feel for the daughter, I really do.  She was an innocent victim.

So was the massage therapist Kobe raped.  She was an innocent victim and someone's daughter as well. 

If I were a Christian, perhaps I might suggest this was God's way of taking an eye for an eye, but that would be uncouth.

How many women do you think Kobe raped before he caught?  Do you really think that was the only time?

Was he convicted of any crime?  No. Does that mean he is innocent?  No.  Does it mean he is guilty?  No.   Were you there for all these incidences?  No.  So all you have is stuff you’ve read on the internet.  Cool your jets a little.  

CM189191 said:

The Juggler said:

CM189191 said:

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

Redemption requires an acknowledgement and admission of guilt and honest efforts to make amends to the person harmed. Do people think that adequately happened? 

yes. 

+1

No it didn't. He never admitted to raping her and wasn't convicted of it either...

k, I somewhat read often's question incorrectly. No, he didn't make amends to the person harmed. But he moved forward making amends to the broader community of women, in my opinion. 

however, I can't personally reconcile "I thought it was consensual". I mean, if she was screaming and saying no the entire time, how is that not obvious? so there's obviously more to it. 

We were not there. According to him she wasn't doing that. She said no to his.....placing some bodily fluids on her face. The fact that she said no to that and didn't say no to anything else is the reason he thought it was consensual. At least, from what I remember...

So my point is he never apologized for raping her because he believes he did not rape her. 

Kobe also lied about having sex with her at all in the first place.  Then he suddenly remember strangling her after being confronted with additional evidence.  

Bryant initially told investigators that he did not have sexual intercourse with his accuser, a 19-year-old woman who worked at the hotel where Bryant was staying. When the officers told Bryant that she had taken an exam that yielded physical evidence, such as semen, Bryant admitted to having sexual intercourse with her, but stated that the sex was consensual. 

When asked about bruises on the accuser's neck, Bryant admitted to "strangling" her during the encounter, stating that he held her "from the back" "around her neck", that strangling during sex was his "thing" and that he had a pattern of strangling a different sex partner (not his wife) during their recurring sexual encounters. When asked how hard he was holding onto her neck, Bryant stated, "My hands are strong. I don't know." 

Bryant's defense lawyer Pamela Mackey asserted that the accuser was taking an anti-psychotic drug for the treatment of schizophrenia at the time of the incident. In addition to the woman's moral character and reputation being challenged by Bryant's defense lawyer, she received death threats and hate mail and her identity was leaked multiple times.

real nice guy

Did I say he was a nice guy? I believe I said earlier that he was an arrogant asshole going back to high school.

She also lied to investigators about numerous things. Another man's semen and pubic hair were found on her underwear. 

This is victim blaming at it's finest.  Liars don't get a 2.5 million out of court settlement.  

Show your work - how did she lie?  What did she lie about?

The victim was painted as a liar.  Her name was leaked, her character and reputation were assassinated.  

innocent rich people pay off people to make things go away all the time because it's easier than having a messy trial. not saying he's innocent, but this idea that there aren't people out there who lied their way to a settlement is just naive at best. 

CM189191 said:

The Juggler said:

CM189191 said:

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

Redemption requires an acknowledgement and admission of guilt and honest efforts to make amends to the person harmed. Do people think that adequately happened? 

yes. 

+1

No it didn't. He never admitted to raping her and wasn't convicted of it either...

k, I somewhat read often's question incorrectly. No, he didn't make amends to the person harmed. But he moved forward making amends to the broader community of women, in my opinion. 

however, I can't personally reconcile "I thought it was consensual". I mean, if she was screaming and saying no the entire time, how is that not obvious? so there's obviously more to it. 

We were not there. According to him she wasn't doing that. She said no to his.....placing some bodily fluids on her face. The fact that she said no to that and didn't say no to anything else is the reason he thought it was consensual. At least, from what I remember...

So my point is he never apologized for raping her because he believes he did not rape her. 

Kobe also lied about having sex with her at all in the first place.  Then he suddenly remember strangling her after being confronted with additional evidence.  

Bryant initially told investigators that he did not have sexual intercourse with his accuser, a 19-year-old woman who worked at the hotel where Bryant was staying. When the officers told Bryant that she had taken an exam that yielded physical evidence, such as semen, Bryant admitted to having sexual intercourse with her, but stated that the sex was consensual. 

When asked about bruises on the accuser's neck, Bryant admitted to "strangling" her during the encounter, stating that he held her "from the back" "around her neck", that strangling during sex was his "thing" and that he had a pattern of strangling a different sex partner (not his wife) during their recurring sexual encounters. When asked how hard he was holding onto her neck, Bryant stated, "My hands are strong. I don't know." 

Bryant's defense lawyer Pamela Mackey asserted that the accuser was taking an anti-psychotic drug for the treatment of schizophrenia at the time of the incident. In addition to the woman's moral character and reputation being challenged by Bryant's defense lawyer, she received death threats and hate mail and her identity was leaked multiple times.

real nice guy

Did I say he was a nice guy? I believe I said earlier that he was an arrogant asshole going back to high school.

She also lied to investigators about numerous things. Another man's semen and pubic hair were found on her underwear. 

This is victim blaming at it's finest.  Liars don't get a 2.5 million out of court settlement.  

Show your work - how did she lie?  What did she lie about?

The victim was painted as a liar.  Her name was leaked, her character and reputation were assassinated.  

Why don't you show your work?  I'm just reiterating a fact of the case. What I said was literally a fact that can easily be verified. Was there or was there not another man's semen and pubic hair on her underwear that she turned over to investigators?
Kobe's defense argued that having sex multiple times in the same day would be consistent with the vaginal trauma or whatever it's called she was experiencing. She also lied to investigators about why she was late for work that morning. So both of them initially lied.

Victim's also go to trial if they believe their story. See, this goes both ways. 


Folks, this an example of someone so entrenched in their Cancel Culture mentality that they lose all objectivity. Go back and read what I said earlier this morning. I've known Kobe before most of the rest of the country knew him because we went to rival schools. I'm literally one of the  original Kobe Haters. I was no fan of Kobe Bryant and because of that, at the time, I wanted to believe he was guilty of this crime. But if you go back and read about the details of the case you can see why it did not make it to trial. I'm trying to give you an objective view of this whole thing.