Shut out once again. Ten Club, I would like an explanation

Kevinman · January 2020

NewfieintheUSA said:

JimmyV said:

How the drawing worked in the past is irrelevant. The BA option necessitated there be one hat with all 1st priority to start.

I'm actually thinking they still drew GA first from the pool of GA and BA entries, sent initial notifications when that finished, then did the same for Reserved from the Reserved/BA entries. Processing all by priority

Sounds like a reasonable scenario. I just don’t think it was 1 draw with everyone together. Doesn’t make sense.

ecdanc · January 2020

Lerxst1992 said:

Kevinman said:

Question: if you selected BA did it check GA and Res?

If so, this is the same as 1st priority GA 2nd priority Res.

Lottery works as follows:

2 Hats first round: GA and BA in 1 hat. Res in separate hat2.

Hat 1: Names are drawn out of GA and BA until seats are full. If you had GA selected and name not drawn...you are out. If you had BA selected you stay in this hat for second round.

Hat2: Res names are drawn until full or out of names. If there are seats still left after all Res names are drawn, the remaining names from Hat 1(BA) are drawn until full or out of names.

if still seats are available then people with this show as 2nd choice are drawn.

The only thing I’m unsure of is if someone had 2 shows selected Res only. This was their 2nd choice, do they enter with BA hat 2nd drawing of hat1 or only picked after BA all picked.

No, there were no hats.

every member’s number was drawn ONCE per round. I’m one of the densest members on this forum and even I get that.

its becoming fairly easy to understand why the current occupant at 1600 PA Ave is who it is.

I'm really confused how you're so confident about this. Do you have inside information? Or do you just find the two-hat theory so ridiculous that you're dismissing it out of hand?

Lerxst1992 · January 2020

ecdanc said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Kevinman said:

Question: if you selected BA did it check GA and Res?

If so, this is the same as 1st priority GA 2nd priority Res.

Lottery works as follows:

2 Hats first round: GA and BA in 1 hat. Res in separate hat2.

Hat 1: Names are drawn out of GA and BA until seats are full. If you had GA selected and name not drawn...you are out. If you had BA selected you stay in this hat for second round.

Hat2: Res names are drawn until full or out of names. If there are seats still left after all Res names are drawn, the remaining names from Hat 1(BA) are drawn until full or out of names.

if still seats are available then people with this show as 2nd choice are drawn.

The only thing I’m unsure of is if someone had 2 shows selected Res only. This was their 2nd choice, do they enter with BA hat 2nd drawing of hat1 or only picked after BA all picked.

No, there were no hats.

every member’s number was drawn ONCE per round. I’m one of the densest members on this forum and even I get that.

its becoming fairly easy to understand why the current occupant at 1600 PA Ave is who it is.

I'm really confused how you're so confident about this. Do you have inside information? Or do you just find the two-hat theory so ridiculous that you're dismissing it out of hand?

“ Step 6. If you selected 2 or more shows, you can prioritize your shows by dragging and dropping them into the order you wish.”

They are prioritizing by show. They said they are drawing by show, not by ticket category. Where on any ten club 2020 literature does it state there is an separate independent draw for each ticket category for each round for each show?

benjs · January 2020

This isn't complicated, guys.

Here's how I suspect they did it based on it being straightforward and aligning with everything they've shared about the process.

1. Filter on just the applicants for the show being drawn, in first priority
2. Pick a name.
3. Check their preference
4a. If they requested GA, check if there are GA available. Deplete the inventory if necessary, and notify on win/loss.
4b. If they requested Best Available, check if there are GA available. If not, check if there are Reserved available. Deplete the inventory if necessary, and notify on win/loss.
4c. If they requested Reserved, check if there are Reserved available. Deplete the inventory if necessary, and notify on win/loss.
5. Once all entries have been processed to either win/loss within the priority, repeat the exercise with the next priority
6. Once all entries for the show have been processed to either win/loss, move on to the next one (hence why the email alerts came one show at a time)

Technically, once they knew a show was fully allocated, they could've also stopped lottery-ing for that show and send loss notices to everyone after too.

ecdanc · January 2020

Lerxst1992 said:

ecdanc said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Kevinman said:

Question: if you selected BA did it check GA and Res?

If so, this is the same as 1st priority GA 2nd priority Res.

Lottery works as follows:

2 Hats first round: GA and BA in 1 hat. Res in separate hat2.

Hat 1: Names are drawn out of GA and BA until seats are full. If you had GA selected and name not drawn...you are out. If you had BA selected you stay in this hat for second round.

Hat2: Res names are drawn until full or out of names. If there are seats still left after all Res names are drawn, the remaining names from Hat 1(BA) are drawn until full or out of names.

if still seats are available then people with this show as 2nd choice are drawn.

The only thing I’m unsure of is if someone had 2 shows selected Res only. This was their 2nd choice, do they enter with BA hat 2nd drawing of hat1 or only picked after BA all picked.

No, there were no hats.

every member’s number was drawn ONCE per round. I’m one of the densest members on this forum and even I get that.

its becoming fairly easy to understand why the current occupant at 1600 PA Ave is who it is.

I'm really confused how you're so confident about this. Do you have inside information? Or do you just find the two-hat theory so ridiculous that you're dismissing it out of hand?

“ Step 6. If you selected 2 or more shows, you can prioritize your shows by dragging and dropping them into the order you wish.”

They are prioritizing by show. They said they are drawing by show, not by ticket category. Where on any ten club 2020 literature does it state there is an separate independent draw for each ticket category for each round for each show?

I'm typically on board with your posts and, as I've said repeatedly, I hope they did it the way you describe. But the step-6 language doesn't unequivocally confirm your position. I don't find it difficult at all to reconcile that language with the two-hat theory.

Kevinman · January 2020

Lerxst1992 said:

Kevinman said:

Question: if you selected BA did it check GA and Res?

If so, this is the same as 1st priority GA 2nd priority Res.

Lottery works as follows:

2 Hats first round: GA and BA in 1 hat. Res in separate hat2.

Hat 1: Names are drawn out of GA and BA until seats are full. If you had GA selected and name not drawn...you are out. If you had BA selected you stay in this hat for second round.

Hat2: Res names are drawn until full or out of names. If there are seats still left after all Res names are drawn, the remaining names from Hat 1(BA) are drawn until full or out of names.

if still seats are available then people with this show as 2nd choice are drawn.

The only thing I’m unsure of is if someone had 2 shows selected Res only. This was their 2nd choice, do they enter with BA hat 2nd drawing of hat1 or only picked after BA all picked.

No, there were no hats.

every member’s number was drawn ONCE per round. I’m one of the densest members on this forum and even I get that.

its becoming fairly easy to understand why the current occupant at 1600 PA Ave is who it is.

One of the densest members has figured it all out...close the thread.

drakeheuer14 · January 2020

ecdanc said:

Lerxst1992 said:

ecdanc said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Kevinman said:

Question: if you selected BA did it check GA and Res?

If so, this is the same as 1st priority GA 2nd priority Res.

Lottery works as follows:

2 Hats first round: GA and BA in 1 hat. Res in separate hat2.

Hat 1: Names are drawn out of GA and BA until seats are full. If you had GA selected and name not drawn...you are out. If you had BA selected you stay in this hat for second round.

Hat2: Res names are drawn until full or out of names. If there are seats still left after all Res names are drawn, the remaining names from Hat 1(BA) are drawn until full or out of names.

if still seats are available then people with this show as 2nd choice are drawn.

The only thing I’m unsure of is if someone had 2 shows selected Res only. This was their 2nd choice, do they enter with BA hat 2nd drawing of hat1 or only picked after BA all picked.

No, there were no hats.

every member’s number was drawn ONCE per round. I’m one of the densest members on this forum and even I get that.

its becoming fairly easy to understand why the current occupant at 1600 PA Ave is who it is.

I'm really confused how you're so confident about this. Do you have inside information? Or do you just find the two-hat theory so ridiculous that you're dismissing it out of hand?

“ Step 6. If you selected 2 or more shows, you can prioritize your shows by dragging and dropping them into the order you wish.”

They are prioritizing by show. They said they are drawing by show, not by ticket category. Where on any ten club 2020 literature does it state there is an separate independent draw for each ticket category for each round for each show?

I'm typically on board with your posts and, as I've said repeatedly, I hope they did it the way you describe. But the step-6 language doesn't unequivocally confirm your position. I don't find it difficult at all to reconcile that language with the two-hat theory.

You aren’t going to get an official statement that has been notarized. Better start believing something or this conversation will continue until we are doing this again for the fall.

dutz054 · January 2020

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

You lost you lost, you won you won. Move on. It’s not the end of the world.

This

ecdanc · January 2020

drakeheuer14 said:

ecdanc said:

Lerxst1992 said:

ecdanc said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Kevinman said:

Question: if you selected BA did it check GA and Res?

If so, this is the same as 1st priority GA 2nd priority Res.

Lottery works as follows:

2 Hats first round: GA and BA in 1 hat. Res in separate hat2.

Hat 1: Names are drawn out of GA and BA until seats are full. If you had GA selected and name not drawn...you are out. If you had BA selected you stay in this hat for second round.

Hat2: Res names are drawn until full or out of names. If there are seats still left after all Res names are drawn, the remaining names from Hat 1(BA) are drawn until full or out of names.

if still seats are available then people with this show as 2nd choice are drawn.

The only thing I’m unsure of is if someone had 2 shows selected Res only. This was their 2nd choice, do they enter with BA hat 2nd drawing of hat1 or only picked after BA all picked.

No, there were no hats.

every member’s number was drawn ONCE per round. I’m one of the densest members on this forum and even I get that.

its becoming fairly easy to understand why the current occupant at 1600 PA Ave is who it is.

I'm really confused how you're so confident about this. Do you have inside information? Or do you just find the two-hat theory so ridiculous that you're dismissing it out of hand?

“ Step 6. If you selected 2 or more shows, you can prioritize your shows by dragging and dropping them into the order you wish.”

They are prioritizing by show. They said they are drawing by show, not by ticket category. Where on any ten club 2020 literature does it state there is an separate independent draw for each ticket category for each round for each show?

I'm typically on board with your posts and, as I've said repeatedly, I hope they did it the way you describe. But the step-6 language doesn't unequivocally confirm your position. I don't find it difficult at all to reconcile that language with the two-hat theory.

You aren’t going to get an official statement that has been notarized. Better start believing something or this conversation will continue until we are doing this again for the fall.

I mean, that's sort of my point: we don't actually now; either is possible. I'm just confused by the self-assuredness that is now prompting insults.

mace1229 · January 2020

BA did not give you 2 chances and Reserved only 1.
You have 1 chance for your name to be drawn. If you selected GA only and it’s not available then you don’t get tickets. If you selected BA and GA is not available, you get placed in reserved. Your name only had 1 chance to be drawn. That’s what Best Available means, you’ll take whatever seats are best when your time comes, not putting your name in the hat twice.

Lerxst1992 · January 2020

“ GA (General Admission) and Reserved (Seated) Ticket Options:
There is a 2 ticket limit per show. Eligible members may submit a Ticket Request for both GA and Reserved tickets to any given show, but can only possibly be confirmed for one or the other. It is not possible to be confirmed for both GA and Reserved tickets for the same show. “

Think for a second about the complexity of the two hat theory. Let’s say there are 2,000 GA winners and 1500 of them were BA applicants.

theyd have to go thru the entire data base and scrub out those 1500 winners before doing the second hat draw. Think about how much time and work that adds to the process and how much that adds to the risk of error, by violating this basic rule

“ It is not possible to be confirmed for both GA and Reserved tickets for the same show. “

”NOT POSSIBLE.” That is the absolute evidence.

they did the Balt draw in under three hours and there’s no way they scrubbed the data base and did a second hat draw, all within the time period we know the draw began and ended.

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan · January 2020

playerpiano said:

tubes10s said:

playerpiano said:

tubes10s said:

Just my opinion, but this is how I see this lottery system working with the descriptions we were all given before we all made our selections:

All 1st Priority BA, 1st Priority GA-only, and 1st Priority Reserved-only names are thrown into the pool. Names are drawn. Names drawn with BA as their choice get GA until GA tickets are gone, and then names drawn with BA as their choice get Reserved tickets. Names drawn with GA-only get GA tickets when they get picked as long as there are GA tickets remaining. Names drawn with Reserved-only get Reserved tickets when they get picked as long as there are Reserved tickets remaining. This continues until all tickets are gone. If all 1st Priority names are drawn and there are still tickets left, then repeat this process with 2nd Priority, etc.

I tend to believe that this is how it worked... or is at least this is how it was intended to work based on the emails we received before signing up for tickets. To think that Reserved-only or GA-only were going to give precedence over BA in any scenario at all just doesn't make sense. Choosing BA says "just get me in the building." It gives you access to 100% of the available tickets. Every ticket in the building is the Best Available at some point in the process. Choosing GA-only or Reserved-only is of course going to lower your chances compared to BA. Those choices give you access to some percentage LESS THAN 100% of the available tickets.

If this were accurate, then all tickets would be BA and Tenclub wouldn't bother with GA or Reserved options. You are still giving BA two chances at tickets to one chance for those who requested Reserved, and even those who requested GA! That is inherently unfair. There would be no GA tickets for those who requested GA, which would be kind of odd. This is not at all how it was intended to work, and there is nothing in the emails that says or implies that this would be the case.

No, BA does not get two chances. Every name has an equal chance to be drawn ONE TIME. Once a name is drawn, then you check to see if they chose BA, GA, or Reserved, and award the ticket accordingly. There is no two chances.

Well, there are two chances. I don't see how there are not two chances. If you have a chance at two sections, and I have a chance at one section, then you have one more chance than I do. That is two priorities vs. one, which is not how it works. Every name cannot possibly have an equal chance to be drawn one time because many of those names are requesting different sections. They are in competition with those who requested the same section, not everyone who requested the same show. This is why you do not see and have never seen a percentage for BA.

If you picked ga only or res only, that is on you. If someone didn’t care except but to be in the building, you go with BA because it gives you the greater chance at being selected. Choosing ga 1 and res 2 is a waste of a pick when BA is an option available to you

josevolution · January 2020

At least anyone who made mistakes on their choices this time should be able to correct by the fall lottery, at least I know I’ve learned a lot about how to enter it next time to give myself a better chance ...

PJNB · January 2020

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:

playerpiano said:

tubes10s said:

playerpiano said:

tubes10s said:

Just my opinion, but this is how I see this lottery system working with the descriptions we were all given before we all made our selections:

All 1st Priority BA, 1st Priority GA-only, and 1st Priority Reserved-only names are thrown into the pool. Names are drawn. Names drawn with BA as their choice get GA until GA tickets are gone, and then names drawn with BA as their choice get Reserved tickets. Names drawn with GA-only get GA tickets when they get picked as long as there are GA tickets remaining. Names drawn with Reserved-only get Reserved tickets when they get picked as long as there are Reserved tickets remaining. This continues until all tickets are gone. If all 1st Priority names are drawn and there are still tickets left, then repeat this process with 2nd Priority, etc.

I tend to believe that this is how it worked... or is at least this is how it was intended to work based on the emails we received before signing up for tickets. To think that Reserved-only or GA-only were going to give precedence over BA in any scenario at all just doesn't make sense. Choosing BA says "just get me in the building." It gives you access to 100% of the available tickets. Every ticket in the building is the Best Available at some point in the process. Choosing GA-only or Reserved-only is of course going to lower your chances compared to BA. Those choices give you access to some percentage LESS THAN 100% of the available tickets.

If this were accurate, then all tickets would be BA and Tenclub wouldn't bother with GA or Reserved options. You are still giving BA two chances at tickets to one chance for those who requested Reserved, and even those who requested GA! That is inherently unfair. There would be no GA tickets for those who requested GA, which would be kind of odd. This is not at all how it was intended to work, and there is nothing in the emails that says or implies that this would be the case.

No, BA does not get two chances. Every name has an equal chance to be drawn ONE TIME. Once a name is drawn, then you check to see if they chose BA, GA, or Reserved, and award the ticket accordingly. There is no two chances.

Well, there are two chances. I don't see how there are not two chances. If you have a chance at two sections, and I have a chance at one section, then you have one more chance than I do. That is two priorities vs. one, which is not how it works. Every name cannot possibly have an equal chance to be drawn one time because many of those names are requesting different sections. They are in competition with those who requested the same section, not everyone who requested the same show. This is why you do not see and have never seen a percentage for BA.

If you picked ga only or res only, that is on you. If someone didn’t care except but to be in the building, you go with BA because it gives you the greater chance at being selected. Choosing ga 1 and res 2 is a waste of a pick when BA is an option available to you

Priorities were on the cities not the picks. You should not have a greater advantage of getting tickets putting in BA over RES. Putting BA over GA you would for sure.

long road walker · January 2020

I haven’t got tickets since lottery started like 0-16.

ecdanc · January 2020

Lerxst1992 said:

“ GA (General Admission) and Reserved (Seated) Ticket Options:
There is a 2 ticket limit per show. Eligible members may submit a Ticket Request for both GA and Reserved tickets to any given show, but can only possibly be confirmed for one or the other. It is not possible to be confirmed for both GA and Reserved tickets for the same show. “

Think for a second about the complexity of the two hat theory. Let’s say there are 2,000 GA winners and 1500 of them were BA applicants.

theyd have to go thru the entire data base and scrub out those 1500 winners before doing the second hat draw. Think about how much time and work that adds to the process and how much that adds to the risk of error, by violating this basic rule

“ It is not possible to be confirmed for both GA and Reserved tickets for the same show. “

”NOT POSSIBLE.” That is the absolute evidence.

they did the Balt draw in under three hours and there’s no way they scrubbed the data base and did a second hat draw, all within the time period we know the draw began and ended.

I don't really want to get into an argument (anymore than I already am), but no....that doesn't say what you're claiming it says.

As for the rest, I'm no programmer, but I can't imagine it would be that hard to create a database that does what you describe. That's only conjecture, though.

RK50065 · January 2020

josevolution said:

At least anyone who made mistakes on their choices this time should be able to correct by the fall lottery, at least I know I’ve learned a lot about how to enter it next time to give myself a better chance ...

I'm not even sure what I would do different!

mcgruff10 · January 2020

Bring on the fall tour!

josevolution · January 2020

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:

playerpiano said:

tubes10s said:

playerpiano said:

tubes10s said:

Just my opinion, but this is how I see this lottery system working with the descriptions we were all given before we all made our selections:

All 1st Priority BA, 1st Priority GA-only, and 1st Priority Reserved-only names are thrown into the pool. Names are drawn. Names drawn with BA as their choice get GA until GA tickets are gone, and then names drawn with BA as their choice get Reserved tickets. Names drawn with GA-only get GA tickets when they get picked as long as there are GA tickets remaining. Names drawn with Reserved-only get Reserved tickets when they get picked as long as there are Reserved tickets remaining. This continues until all tickets are gone. If all 1st Priority names are drawn and there are still tickets left, then repeat this process with 2nd Priority, etc.

I tend to believe that this is how it worked... or is at least this is how it was intended to work based on the emails we received before signing up for tickets. To think that Reserved-only or GA-only were going to give precedence over BA in any scenario at all just doesn't make sense. Choosing BA says "just get me in the building." It gives you access to 100% of the available tickets. Every ticket in the building is the Best Available at some point in the process. Choosing GA-only or Reserved-only is of course going to lower your chances compared to BA. Those choices give you access to some percentage LESS THAN 100% of the available tickets.

If this were accurate, then all tickets would be BA and Tenclub wouldn't bother with GA or Reserved options. You are still giving BA two chances at tickets to one chance for those who requested Reserved, and even those who requested GA! That is inherently unfair. There would be no GA tickets for those who requested GA, which would be kind of odd. This is not at all how it was intended to work, and there is nothing in the emails that says or implies that this would be the case.

No, BA does not get two chances. Every name has an equal chance to be drawn ONE TIME. Once a name is drawn, then you check to see if they chose BA, GA, or Reserved, and award the ticket accordingly. There is no two chances.

Well, there are two chances. I don't see how there are not two chances. If you have a chance at two sections, and I have a chance at one section, then you have one more chance than I do. That is two priorities vs. one, which is not how it works. Every name cannot possibly have an equal chance to be drawn one time because many of those names are requesting different sections. They are in competition with those who requested the same section, not everyone who requested the same show. This is why you do not see and have never seen a percentage for BA.

If you picked ga only or res only, that is on you. If someone didn’t care except but to be in the building, you go with BA because it gives you the greater chance at being selected. Choosing ga 1 and res 2 is a waste of a pick when BA is an option available to you

I choose reserved only for Baltimore 1st choice I won , I didn’t want anything but reserved seating, with BA you don’t have a choice of what you get I got lucky that’s for sure but I was also ok with not winning my number should get me a very good seat!

Lerxst1992 · January 2020

ecdanc said:

Lerxst1992 said:

“ GA (General Admission) and Reserved (Seated) Ticket Options:
There is a 2 ticket limit per show. Eligible members may submit a Ticket Request for both GA and Reserved tickets to any given show, but can only possibly be confirmed for one or the other. It is not possible to be confirmed for both GA and Reserved tickets for the same show. “

Think for a second about the complexity of the two hat theory. Let’s say there are 2,000 GA winners and 1500 of them were BA applicants.

theyd have to go thru the entire data base and scrub out those 1500 winners before doing the second hat draw. Think about how much time and work that adds to the process and how much that adds to the risk of error, by violating this basic rule

“ It is not possible to be confirmed for both GA and Reserved tickets for the same show. “

”NOT POSSIBLE.” That is the absolute evidence.

they did the Balt draw in under three hours and there’s no way they scrubbed the data base and did a second hat draw, all within the time period we know the draw began and ended.

I don't really want to get into an argument (anymore than I already am), but no....that doesn't say what you're claiming it says.

As for the rest, I'm no programmer, but I can't imagine it would be that hard to create a database that does what you describe. That's only conjecture, though.

Yes it does,

let’s consider the usual concert ticket warning when there is a two ticket limit to a show.

the ticket company will warn buyers that if they buy more tickets separately they will subsequently void your order for all tickets.

but in that example, they never warn us it is not possible.

here they are saying it is impossible to win both categories.

im·pos·si·ble

/imˈpäsəb(ə)l/

adjective

not able to occur, exist, or be done.

Shut out once again. Ten Club, I would like an explanation

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