***Spring 2020 Lottery Results***

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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    Agreed. There are huge open questions about what happened yesterday. I suspect much of it may have been human error but without seeing people's entry emails we can't know that for sure.
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  • Weston1283
    Weston1283 Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 5,015
    PJNB said:
    Weston1283 said:
    EdsonNascimento said:
    OceansJenny said:
    Dump the odds. Send all win/loss emails at the same time (even if it would be Sunday in this example). Best solution.
    Why?  Because people don’t understand basic premises?   I’ve lost, ive won, each methods had its good and bad.  This was by far the smoothest run theyve ever done. And quickest.  Used to be weeks between entering and finding out.  

    The odds are a guide.  And if someone didn’t understand the final odds were not the same as the moment they entered that’s on them not the process.  We don’t need more dumbing down. 

    I’d rather find out as they select and get my credit card approval than wait for the end which is weeks later because an organization that has no place running a ticket business is attempting to do so (that’s 10C. Just being clear as I’m sure some people were thinking I would be referring to TM who does know how to, and I’m grateful PJ finally woke up to that). 
    St. Louis show closed at 99% for best available.  Not winning GA makes total sense, but when a show closes at 99%, and people are getting shut out with priority 2, that’s an issue 
    A huge issue. 
    And if they can’t rectify the St Louis situation then fine

    but I think we’re owed an explanation on how the “new” odds % system really works so we can properly rank shows for future tours
    2010: Cleveland
    2012: Atlanta
    2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
    2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
    2015: New York City
    2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
    2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
    2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
    2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2
    2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver
    2023: St. Paul II
    2024: Las Vegas I / Las Vegas II / New York City I / New York City II / Philly I / Philly II / Baltimore
  • NewfieintheUSA
    NewfieintheUSA Posts: 2,416
    Dellis3290 said:
    I got NY on first choice GA. I missed second choice Baltimore. I got 3rd choice Nashville GA. Good luck everyone the rest of the way and through verified. Look forward to seeing you guys on the road this year! LFG!


    Are you sure you got GA for Nashville as choice 3? If so, can you post a picture of your entry?
  • NewfieintheUSA
    NewfieintheUSA Posts: 2,416
    Weston1283 said:
    PJNB said:
    Weston1283 said:
    EdsonNascimento said:
    OceansJenny said:
    Dump the odds. Send all win/loss emails at the same time (even if it would be Sunday in this example). Best solution.
    Why?  Because people don’t understand basic premises?   I’ve lost, ive won, each methods had its good and bad.  This was by far the smoothest run theyve ever done. And quickest.  Used to be weeks between entering and finding out.  

    The odds are a guide.  And if someone didn’t understand the final odds were not the same as the moment they entered that’s on them not the process.  We don’t need more dumbing down. 

    I’d rather find out as they select and get my credit card approval than wait for the end which is weeks later because an organization that has no place running a ticket business is attempting to do so (that’s 10C. Just being clear as I’m sure some people were thinking I would be referring to TM who does know how to, and I’m grateful PJ finally woke up to that). 
    St. Louis show closed at 99% for best available.  Not winning GA makes total sense, but when a show closes at 99%, and people are getting shut out with priority 2, that’s an issue 
    A huge issue. 
    And if they can’t rectify the St Louis situation then fine

    but I think we’re owed an explanation on how the “new” odds % system really works so we can properly rank shows for future tours

    Agreed. And for the priority 1 people that lost BA choices over 2nd and 3rd priority people, they should explain why that happened (assuming there are any legitimate ones). 
  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 15,953
    Thrilled I won MSG.  Bummed I missed out on Baltimore, Nashville and Saint Louis.  

    Win some, lose some.  

    Thank you Ten Club =)
    1996: Randall's Island 2  1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2  2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel  2005: Atlantic City 1  2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV)  2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4  2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2  2011: Toronto 1  2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2015: Central Park  2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD)  2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF)  2020: MSG | Asbury Park  2021: Asbury Park  2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville  2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2025: Raleigh


  • imca43
    imca43 Posts: 54
    God dammit, of fucking course i did not get nyc. Have put in for every year they play there and not fucking once have i got tix. 
    Buffalo, New York (October 01, 1996)
    Saratoga Springs, New York (August 27, 2000)
    Philadelphia, PA (October 21, 2013)
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  • kkdowning
    kkdowning Posts: 28
    One of my friends is 2 for 2 so far on reserved (priority 2 and 3). Not sure how some are getting this lucky while others got nothing. I am especially curious about the priority 3 GA post earlier in this thread.

    I am not angry about missing out as the demand is very high. But I would like to know if some of us should be doing something different.
  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,239
    Dellis3290 said:
    I got NY on first choice GA. I missed second choice Baltimore. I got 3rd choice Nashville GA. Good luck everyone the rest of the way and through verified. Look forward to seeing you guys on the road this year! LFG!

    wow, congrats! Another story that baffles me though, lots missed out on Nashville and you got 3rd choice GA.
    I'm like an opening band for your mom.
  • NewfieintheUSA
    NewfieintheUSA Posts: 2,416
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    Dellis3290 said:
    I got NY on first choice GA. I missed second choice Baltimore. I got 3rd choice Nashville GA. Good luck everyone the rest of the way and through verified. Look forward to seeing you guys on the road this year! LFG!

    wow, congrats! Another story that baffles me though, lots missed out on Nashville and you got 3rd choice GA.


    I'm doubting this is legit
  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,239
    Why are so many folks assuming it must be “user error” with all the issues that have happened? How difficult was this that it must be the person’s fault? All you had to do was pick shows!  
    I'm like an opening band for your mom.
  • NewfieintheUSA
    NewfieintheUSA Posts: 2,416
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    Why are so many folks assuming it must be “user error” with all the issues that have happened? How difficult was this that it must be the person’s fault? All you had to do was pick shows!  
    Because there have been multiple admissions by people that when they went to add a show, they never added the original shows they submitted. 
  • brucemid1
    brucemid1 Posts: 9
    Missed out on my only choice, Nashville. Sucks since I only live three blocks from the venue, and I've had some health issues and can't travel to other shows. Hoping I can score tix during the general sale next Friday...
  • euchrid
    euchrid Posts: 895
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    Dellis3290 said:
    I got NY on first choice GA. I missed second choice Baltimore. I got 3rd choice Nashville GA. Good luck everyone the rest of the way and through verified. Look forward to seeing you guys on the road this year! LFG!


    Are you sure you got GA for Nashville as choice 3? If so, can you post a picture of your entry?
    This was a typo based on Dellis previous comments that state 3rd choice Nashville was a BA and not GA
    https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/comment/7088249#Comment_7088249

    A simple mix up like this is adding to things but I think the main issue, and the starting point for confusion, was TicketsToday not stating how the 99% odds were based on AND what the final odds were. Also the unusually positive wording from TC "The majority of fans who enter the Ten Club ticket request will get tickets" added to the assumption tickets were a given..despite it being a lottery.

    The only proof of something messed up is when someone can show confirmation of a lower priority winning over a higher priority for the same seat type. 

  • chukdotcom
    chukdotcom Posts: 757
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    Why are so many folks assuming it must be “user error” with all the issues that have happened? How difficult was this that it must be the person’s fault? All you had to do was pick shows!  
    Because almost all of the issues have been explained as user error.

    People that didn't have matching info with Ticketmaster
    People that didn't realize they had to arrange the order after selecting their picks
    People that didn't understand the difference between selecting GA vs BA

    The only legit error I have seen is the incorrect denial emails.
  • unknown
    unknown Posts: 531
    Any word on Oklahoma?  I haven’t gotten any email yet?  It was the only one I put in for 
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    Why are so many folks assuming it must be “user error” with all the issues that have happened? How difficult was this that it must be the person’s fault? All you had to do was pick shows!  
    Because we have hundreds of examples of the instructions being too difficult for people to follow. (Or even read.)
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  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,239
    chukdotcom said:
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    Why are so many folks assuming it must be “user error” with all the issues that have happened? How difficult was this that it must be the person’s fault? All you had to do was pick shows!  
    Because almost all of the issues have been explained as user error.

    People that didn't have matching info with Ticketmaster
    People that didn't realize they had to arrange the order after selecting their picks
    People that didn't understand the difference between selecting GA vs BA

    The only legit error I have seen is the incorrect denial emails.
    Yeah I get that, but TM told me
    on the phone that the mismatching info was BS and “paranoia.” That they could figure that out and folks wouldn’t lose a lottery due to that.  Have people been saying they got emails that they weren’t accepted due to something like that?
    I'm like an opening band for your mom.
  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,239
    chukdotcom said:
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    Why are so many folks assuming it must be “user error” with all the issues that have happened? How difficult was this that it must be the person’s fault? All you had to do was pick shows!  
    Because almost all of the issues have been explained as user error.

    People that didn't have matching info with Ticketmaster
    People that didn't realize they had to arrange the order after selecting their picks
    People that didn't understand the difference between selecting GA vs BA

    The only legit error I have seen is the incorrect denial emails.
    I’ve seen lots of instances of people who had both BA first and second choice lose out to folks who had GA or BA or RES as a third or lower pick.  They usually won their first pick but not their second.  Don’t think user error is involved in any of them
    I'm like an opening band for your mom.
  • chukdotcom
    chukdotcom Posts: 757
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    chukdotcom said:
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    Why are so many folks assuming it must be “user error” with all the issues that have happened? How difficult was this that it must be the person’s fault? All you had to do was pick shows!  
    Because almost all of the issues have been explained as user error.

    People that didn't have matching info with Ticketmaster
    People that didn't realize they had to arrange the order after selecting their picks
    People that didn't understand the difference between selecting GA vs BA

    The only legit error I have seen is the incorrect denial emails.
    Yeah I get that, but TM told me
    on the phone that the mismatching info was BS and “paranoia.” That they could figure that out and folks wouldn’t lose a lottery due to that.  Have people been saying they got emails that they weren’t accepted due to something like that?
    For starters, NEVER believe anything that a CSR tells you.  Never.
    Having said that, I have no proof of the mismatch causing people to lose, but the rules clearly state that they should.  Who knows if it actually does?

    The point is, people have problems following even the simplest of instructions.  Like even reading the whole email.
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    chukdotcom said:
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    Why are so many folks assuming it must be “user error” with all the issues that have happened? How difficult was this that it must be the person’s fault? All you had to do was pick shows!  
    Because almost all of the issues have been explained as user error.

    People that didn't have matching info with Ticketmaster
    People that didn't realize they had to arrange the order after selecting their picks
    People that didn't understand the difference between selecting GA vs BA

    The only legit error I have seen is the incorrect denial emails.
    I’ve seen lots of instances of people who had both BA first and second choice lose out to folks who had GA or BA or RES as a third or lower pick.  They usually won their first pick but not their second.  Don’t think user error is involved in any of them
    I have seen lots of people *say* this is what happened. How are we to differentiate them from the ones who are confused (and, as JimmyV points out, there are LOTS of those)?

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