Shut out once again. Ten Club, I would like an explanation

tubes10s said:

playerpiano said:

tubes10s said:

Just my opinion, but this is how I see this lottery system working with the descriptions we were all given before we all made our selections:

All 1st Priority BA, 1st Priority GA-only, and 1st Priority Reserved-only names are thrown into the pool.  Names are drawn.  Names drawn with BA as their choice get GA until GA tickets are gone, and then names drawn with BA as their choice get Reserved tickets.  Names drawn with GA-only get GA tickets when they get picked as long as there are GA tickets remaining.  Names drawn with Reserved-only get Reserved tickets when they get picked as long as there are Reserved tickets remaining.  This continues until all tickets are gone.  If all 1st Priority names are drawn and there are still tickets left, then repeat this process with 2nd Priority, etc.  

I tend to believe that this is how it worked... or is at least this is how it was intended to work based on the emails we received before signing up for tickets.  To think that Reserved-only or GA-only were going to give precedence over BA in any scenario at all just doesn't make sense.  Choosing BA says "just get me in the building."  It gives you access to 100% of the available tickets.  Every ticket in the building is the Best Available at some point in the process.  Choosing GA-only or Reserved-only is of course going to lower your chances compared to BA.  Those choices give you access to some percentage LESS THAN 100% of the available tickets.  

If this were accurate, then all tickets would be BA and Tenclub wouldn't bother with GA or Reserved options. You are still giving BA two chances at tickets to one chance for those who requested Reserved, and even those who requested GA! That is inherently unfair. There would be no GA tickets for those who requested GA, which would be kind of odd. This is not at all how it was intended to work, and there is nothing in the emails that says or implies that this would be the case.     

I see your point of view if the sections were drawn in some sort of order, which they very well may have been.  I don't think they were, but again, this is all just my opinion.  I don't believe that the intention was to fill GA before moving on to Reserved.  I think that all 1st priority names were thrown in a hat.  As each name was drawn, then I think they were checked to see which choice they made (BA, GA, Res) and awarded the ticket that fit their choice.    

tubes10s said:

playerpiano said:

tubes10s said:

Just my opinion, but this is how I see this lottery system working with the descriptions we were all given before we all made our selections:

All 1st Priority BA, 1st Priority GA-only, and 1st Priority Reserved-only names are thrown into the pool.  Names are drawn.  Names drawn with BA as their choice get GA until GA tickets are gone, and then names drawn with BA as their choice get Reserved tickets.  Names drawn with GA-only get GA tickets when they get picked as long as there are GA tickets remaining.  Names drawn with Reserved-only get Reserved tickets when they get picked as long as there are Reserved tickets remaining.  This continues until all tickets are gone.  If all 1st Priority names are drawn and there are still tickets left, then repeat this process with 2nd Priority, etc.  

I tend to believe that this is how it worked... or is at least this is how it was intended to work based on the emails we received before signing up for tickets.  To think that Reserved-only or GA-only were going to give precedence over BA in any scenario at all just doesn't make sense.  Choosing BA says "just get me in the building."  It gives you access to 100% of the available tickets.  Every ticket in the building is the Best Available at some point in the process.  Choosing GA-only or Reserved-only is of course going to lower your chances compared to BA.  Those choices give you access to some percentage LESS THAN 100% of the available tickets.  

If this were accurate, then all tickets would be BA and Tenclub wouldn't bother with GA or Reserved options. You are still giving BA two chances at tickets to one chance for those who requested Reserved, and even those who requested GA! That is inherently unfair. There would be no GA tickets for those who requested GA, which would be kind of odd. This is not at all how it was intended to work, and there is nothing in the emails that says or implies that this would be the case.     

No, BA does not get two chances.  Every name has an equal chance to be drawn ONE TIME.  Once a name is drawn, then you check to see if they chose BA, GA, or Reserved, and award the ticket accordingly.  There is no two chances.  

tubes10s said:

Just my opinion, but this is how I see this lottery system working with the descriptions we were all given before we all made our selections:

All 1st Priority BA, 1st Priority GA-only, and 1st Priority Reserved-only names are thrown into the pool.  Names are drawn.  Names drawn with BA as their choice get GA until GA tickets are gone, and then names drawn with BA as their choice get Reserved tickets.  Names drawn with GA-only get GA tickets when they get picked as long as there are GA tickets remaining.  Names drawn with Reserved-only get Reserved tickets when they get picked as long as there are Reserved tickets remaining.  This continues until all tickets are gone.  If all 1st Priority names are drawn and there are still tickets left, then repeat this process with 2nd Priority, etc.  

I tend to believe that this is how it worked... or is at least this is how it was intended to work based on the emails we received before signing up for tickets.  To think that Reserved-only or GA-only were going to give precedence over BA in any scenario at all just doesn't make sense.  Choosing BA says "just get me in the building."  It gives you access to 100% of the available tickets.  Every ticket in the building is the Best Available at some point in the process.  Choosing GA-only or Reserved-only is of course going to lower your chances compared to BA.  Those choices give you access to some percentage LESS THAN 100% of the available tickets.  

playerpiano said:

tubes10s said:

playerpiano said:

tubes10s said:

Just my opinion, but this is how I see this lottery system working with the descriptions we were all given before we all made our selections:

All 1st Priority BA, 1st Priority GA-only, and 1st Priority Reserved-only names are thrown into the pool.  Names are drawn.  Names drawn with BA as their choice get GA until GA tickets are gone, and then names drawn with BA as their choice get Reserved tickets.  Names drawn with GA-only get GA tickets when they get picked as long as there are GA tickets remaining.  Names drawn with Reserved-only get Reserved tickets when they get picked as long as there are Reserved tickets remaining.  This continues until all tickets are gone.  If all 1st Priority names are drawn and there are still tickets left, then repeat this process with 2nd Priority, etc.  

I tend to believe that this is how it worked... or is at least this is how it was intended to work based on the emails we received before signing up for tickets.  To think that Reserved-only or GA-only were going to give precedence over BA in any scenario at all just doesn't make sense.  Choosing BA says "just get me in the building."  It gives you access to 100% of the available tickets.  Every ticket in the building is the Best Available at some point in the process.  Choosing GA-only or Reserved-only is of course going to lower your chances compared to BA.  Those choices give you access to some percentage LESS THAN 100% of the available tickets.  

If this were accurate, then all tickets would be BA and Tenclub wouldn't bother with GA or Reserved options. You are still giving BA two chances at tickets to one chance for those who requested Reserved, and even those who requested GA! That is inherently unfair. There would be no GA tickets for those who requested GA, which would be kind of odd. This is not at all how it was intended to work, and there is nothing in the emails that says or implies that this would be the case.     

I see your point of view if the sections were drawn in some sort of order, which they very well may have been.  I don't think they were, but again, this is all just my opinion.  I don't believe that the intention was to fill GA before moving on to Reserved.  I think that all 1st priority names were thrown in a hat.  As each name was drawn, then I think they were checked to see which choice they made (BA, GA, Res) and awarded the ticket that fit their choice.    

It seems that they would have to be drawn in order, with GA first, because some of us requested both GA and Reserved but can't have both. All first priority names can't be thrown in one hat, because the priorities/choices are not the same. If my first priority is Reserved, and yours is GA, we can't be in the same hat. There would be no point in putting us in the same hat; we've requested different tickets. To me, the simple solution is to eliminate BA. I know from years and years of ticket-buying experience that the band and club look out for us, which is why BA is an option to begin with, but BA might produce more problems than it solves.       

CO278952 said:

playerpiano said:

tubes10s said:

playerpiano said:

tubes10s said:

Just my opinion, but this is how I see this lottery system working with the descriptions we were all given before we all made our selections:

All 1st Priority BA, 1st Priority GA-only, and 1st Priority Reserved-only names are thrown into the pool.  Names are drawn.  Names drawn with BA as their choice get GA until GA tickets are gone, and then names drawn with BA as their choice get Reserved tickets.  Names drawn with GA-only get GA tickets when they get picked as long as there are GA tickets remaining.  Names drawn with Reserved-only get Reserved tickets when they get picked as long as there are Reserved tickets remaining.  This continues until all tickets are gone.  If all 1st Priority names are drawn and there are still tickets left, then repeat this process with 2nd Priority, etc.  

I tend to believe that this is how it worked... or is at least this is how it was intended to work based on the emails we received before signing up for tickets.  To think that Reserved-only or GA-only were going to give precedence over BA in any scenario at all just doesn't make sense.  Choosing BA says "just get me in the building."  It gives you access to 100% of the available tickets.  Every ticket in the building is the Best Available at some point in the process.  Choosing GA-only or Reserved-only is of course going to lower your chances compared to BA.  Those choices give you access to some percentage LESS THAN 100% of the available tickets.  

If this were accurate, then all tickets would be BA and Tenclub wouldn't bother with GA or Reserved options. You are still giving BA two chances at tickets to one chance for those who requested Reserved, and even those who requested GA! That is inherently unfair. There would be no GA tickets for those who requested GA, which would be kind of odd. This is not at all how it was intended to work, and there is nothing in the emails that says or implies that this would be the case.     

I see your point of view if the sections were drawn in some sort of order, which they very well may have been.  I don't think they were, but again, this is all just my opinion.  I don't believe that the intention was to fill GA before moving on to Reserved.  I think that all 1st priority names were thrown in a hat.  As each name was drawn, then I think they were checked to see which choice they made (BA, GA, Res) and awarded the ticket that fit their choice.    

It seems that they would have to be drawn in order, with GA first, because some of us requested both GA and Reserved but can't have both. All first priority names can't be thrown in one hat, because the priorities/choices are not the same. If my first priority is Reserved, and yours is GA, we can't be in the same hat. There would be no point in putting us in the same hat; we've requested different tickets. To me, the simple solution is to eliminate BA. I know from years and years of ticket-buying experience that the band and club look out for us, which is why BA is an option to begin with, but BA might produce more problems than it solves.       

My understanding is the names of everyone who requested tickets for the show as their first priority show are randomly picked all at once. Tickets are awarded based on their selections if their name is drawn until tickets are no longer available. If the tickets are not depleted in this first round of randomly selecting names from those that selected the show as their first priority show, then the names of all those that requested that show as their second priority will be randomly selected in a second round. There will be as many rounds as needed to deplete the available 10c tickets. 

JimmyV said:

CO278952 said:

CO278952 said:

playerpiano said:

tubes10s said:

playerpiano said:

tubes10s said:

Just my opinion, but this is how I see this lottery system working with the descriptions we were all given before we all made our selections:

All 1st Priority BA, 1st Priority GA-only, and 1st Priority Reserved-only names are thrown into the pool.  Names are drawn.  Names drawn with BA as their choice get GA until GA tickets are gone, and then names drawn with BA as their choice get Reserved tickets.  Names drawn with GA-only get GA tickets when they get picked as long as there are GA tickets remaining.  Names drawn with Reserved-only get Reserved tickets when they get picked as long as there are Reserved tickets remaining.  This continues until all tickets are gone.  If all 1st Priority names are drawn and there are still tickets left, then repeat this process with 2nd Priority, etc.  

I tend to believe that this is how it worked... or is at least this is how it was intended to work based on the emails we received before signing up for tickets.  To think that Reserved-only or GA-only were going to give precedence over BA in any scenario at all just doesn't make sense.  Choosing BA says "just get me in the building."  It gives you access to 100% of the available tickets.  Every ticket in the building is the Best Available at some point in the process.  Choosing GA-only or Reserved-only is of course going to lower your chances compared to BA.  Those choices give you access to some percentage LESS THAN 100% of the available tickets.  

If this were accurate, then all tickets would be BA and Tenclub wouldn't bother with GA or Reserved options. You are still giving BA two chances at tickets to one chance for those who requested Reserved, and even those who requested GA! That is inherently unfair. There would be no GA tickets for those who requested GA, which would be kind of odd. This is not at all how it was intended to work, and there is nothing in the emails that says or implies that this would be the case.     

I see your point of view if the sections were drawn in some sort of order, which they very well may have been.  I don't think they were, but again, this is all just my opinion.  I don't believe that the intention was to fill GA before moving on to Reserved.  I think that all 1st priority names were thrown in a hat.  As each name was drawn, then I think they were checked to see which choice they made (BA, GA, Res) and awarded the ticket that fit their choice.    

It seems that they would have to be drawn in order, with GA first, because some of us requested both GA and Reserved but can't have both. All first priority names can't be thrown in one hat, because the priorities/choices are not the same. If my first priority is Reserved, and yours is GA, we can't be in the same hat. There would be no point in putting us in the same hat; we've requested different tickets. To me, the simple solution is to eliminate BA. I know from years and years of ticket-buying experience that the band and club look out for us, which is why BA is an option to begin with, but BA might produce more problems than it solves.       

My understanding is the names of everyone who requested tickets for the show as their first priority show are randomly picked all at once. Tickets are awarded based on their selections if their name is drawn until tickets are no longer available. If the tickets are not depleted in this first round of randomly selecting names from those that selected the show as their first priority show, then the names of all those that requested that show as their second priority will be randomly selected in a second round. There will be as many rounds as needed to deplete the available 10c tickets. 

I should also add that if your name is not selected in the first round, that I don’t think they simply throw your name back in the hat for the second round. You didn’t get picked and they move on to a round randomly selecting names who put the show as priority 2.  

There would only be a second round if all first priority names were drawn and there were still tickets left. There shouldn't be any first priority names left to add to a second round.

JimmyV said:

CO278952 said:

JimmyV said:

CO278952 said:

CO278952 said:

playerpiano said:

tubes10s said:

playerpiano said:

tubes10s said:

Just my opinion, but this is how I see this lottery system working with the descriptions we were all given before we all made our selections:

All 1st Priority BA, 1st Priority GA-only, and 1st Priority Reserved-only names are thrown into the pool.  Names are drawn.  Names drawn with BA as their choice get GA until GA tickets are gone, and then names drawn with BA as their choice get Reserved tickets.  Names drawn with GA-only get GA tickets when they get picked as long as there are GA tickets remaining.  Names drawn with Reserved-only get Reserved tickets when they get picked as long as there are Reserved tickets remaining.  This continues until all tickets are gone.  If all 1st Priority names are drawn and there are still tickets left, then repeat this process with 2nd Priority, etc.  

I tend to believe that this is how it worked... or is at least this is how it was intended to work based on the emails we received before signing up for tickets.  To think that Reserved-only or GA-only were going to give precedence over BA in any scenario at all just doesn't make sense.  Choosing BA says "just get me in the building."  It gives you access to 100% of the available tickets.  Every ticket in the building is the Best Available at some point in the process.  Choosing GA-only or Reserved-only is of course going to lower your chances compared to BA.  Those choices give you access to some percentage LESS THAN 100% of the available tickets.  

If this were accurate, then all tickets would be BA and Tenclub wouldn't bother with GA or Reserved options. You are still giving BA two chances at tickets to one chance for those who requested Reserved, and even those who requested GA! That is inherently unfair. There would be no GA tickets for those who requested GA, which would be kind of odd. This is not at all how it was intended to work, and there is nothing in the emails that says or implies that this would be the case.     

I see your point of view if the sections were drawn in some sort of order, which they very well may have been.  I don't think they were, but again, this is all just my opinion.  I don't believe that the intention was to fill GA before moving on to Reserved.  I think that all 1st priority names were thrown in a hat.  As each name was drawn, then I think they were checked to see which choice they made (BA, GA, Res) and awarded the ticket that fit their choice.    

It seems that they would have to be drawn in order, with GA first, because some of us requested both GA and Reserved but can't have both. All first priority names can't be thrown in one hat, because the priorities/choices are not the same. If my first priority is Reserved, and yours is GA, we can't be in the same hat. There would be no point in putting us in the same hat; we've requested different tickets. To me, the simple solution is to eliminate BA. I know from years and years of ticket-buying experience that the band and club look out for us, which is why BA is an option to begin with, but BA might produce more problems than it solves.       

My understanding is the names of everyone who requested tickets for the show as their first priority show are randomly picked all at once. Tickets are awarded based on their selections if their name is drawn until tickets are no longer available. If the tickets are not depleted in this first round of randomly selecting names from those that selected the show as their first priority show, then the names of all those that requested that show as their second priority will be randomly selected in a second round. There will be as many rounds as needed to deplete the available 10c tickets. 

I should also add that if your name is not selected in the first round, that I don’t think they simply throw your name back in the hat for the second round. You didn’t get picked and they move on to a round randomly selecting names who put the show as priority 2.  

There would only be a second round if all first priority names were drawn and there were still tickets left. There shouldn't be any first priority names left to add to a second round.

Yeah you are right. I am still waking up. I thought about my failed logic and couldn’t figure out how to delete my comment on my phone. Thanks. 

I've posted before coffee a few times and then been like "WTF?!?" when looking back at my own words. Happens to us all!

myoung321 said:

bendhair23 said:

Definitely not a “fair” process. When the odds are 99% for reserved tickets for most shows, and there are this many upset 10c members, it’s obvious they (Ticketmaster and 10c) messed up. What a shame. 

Just because the odds were 99% when entered does not mean it stayed at 99% - a majority were much much lower as the lottery ended.

3 hours before lottery ended MSG - TOR - BAL were like 60% Res & 10% GA 

Kevinman said:

Question:  if you selected BA did it check GA and Res?

If so, this is the same as 1st priority GA 2nd priority Res.

Lottery works as follows:

2 Hats first round:  GA and BA in 1 hat.  Res in separate hat2.

Hat 1: Names are drawn out of GA and BA until seats are full.  If you had GA selected and name not drawn...you are out.  If you had BA selected you stay in this hat for second round.

Hat2:  Res names are drawn until full or out of names.  If there are seats still left after all Res names are drawn, the remaining names from Hat 1(BA) are drawn until full or out of names.

if still seats are available then people with this show as 2nd choice are drawn.

The only thing I’m unsure of is if someone had 2 shows selected Res only.  This was their 2nd choice, do they enter with BA hat 2nd drawing of hat1 or only picked after BA all picked.