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I guess I shouldn't have compared the president to a rapist or abuser yesterday. It would have been more appropriate to group him with a serial killer.It's a hopeless situation...0
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Just add it to the already long list of titles he already holds ...tbergs said:I guess I shouldn't have compared the president to a rapist or abuser yesterday. It would have been more appropriate to group him with a serial killer.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.0 -
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
I don’t believe it’s a mistake. But in the unlikely event it was, it all began with Trump attacking Iran. Everyone is on high alert and “collateral damage” results. Everyone on board suffered that fate because of his decision one way or the other.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.0 -
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of reasons why he shouldn't be president. This was all easily preventable.0 -
The easy thing to do is to impose sanctions and be belligerent. The difficult thing to do is to engage. Obama did it with the best and brightest in the US nuclear arms control sphere and engaged 5 other countries to sign on and support it. Obama opened a door for the potential to normalize relations and bring Iran into the fold. Team Trump Treason blew it all up because of the black guy. The Iranian nuclear deal wasn’t the be all-end all. It was a new beginning. And poof, it’s gone and we’re back to 1979 again. Maybe we’ll sell them arms if they invade Greenland?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Second and third order effects...dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of reasons why he shouldn't be president. This was all easily preventable.0 -
No, stop blaming Trump for everything, dear lord.dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of reasons why he shouldn't be president. This was all easily preventable.
I said this and it completely escaped you but Hugh made mention of it.
Why it doesn't make sense though is in this day and age all planes and their whereabouts in airspace is documented.
In other words there is radar and flight lines that are travel patterns for commercial planes so this doesn't happen.
Iran is inept if this is true.0 -
True story. I had a sever stutter as a kid (and still have a mild one). My dad thought he could cure me by just making me talk more. He made me repeat tongue twisters and such. In the 3rd grade he would make me recite the times table. It didn't do anything for my stutter, but within weeks my 3rd grade teacher would send me to the 4th grade class for my math lessons.1ThoughtKnown said:
Did I stutter?HughFreakingDillon said:
um, what?1ThoughtKnown said:
Your opinion matters little to me quite franklyHughFreakingDillon said:
that's quite a leap1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.0 -
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?tempo_n_groove said:
No, stop blaming Trump for everything, dear lord.dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of reasons why he shouldn't be president. This was all easily preventable.
I said this and it completely escaped you but Hugh made mention of it.
Why it doesn't make sense though is in this day and age all planes and their whereabouts in airspace is documented.
In other words there is radar and flight lines that are travel patterns for commercial planes so this doesn't happen.
Iran is inept if this is true.
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.Post edited by dignin on0 -
He doesn’t understand diplomacy. He doesn’t understand foreign policy. He doesn’t have knowledgeable advisors because he either fired them or they quit. He doesn’t listen to his own intelligence community (although all of a sudden he believes them that Iran was a threat).Halifax2TheMax said:The easy thing to do is to impose sanctions and be belligerent. The difficult thing to do is to engage. Obama did it with the best and brightest in the US nuclear arms control sphere and engaged 5 other countries to sign on and support it. Obama opened a door for the potential to normalize relations and bring Iran into the fold. Team Trump Treason blew it all up because of the black guy. The Iranian nuclear deal wasn’t the be all-end all. It was a new beginning. And poof, it’s gone and we’re back to 1979 again. Maybe we’ll sell them arms if they invade Greenland?The guy is clueless to be quite honest.0 -
He deserves to be blamed for everything period , just like Obama was and is still being blamed by this idiot or did you not watch the briefing he spewed nothing but falsehoods about the Iran nuclear deal! So Yeah the idiot in chief is to blame for everything! Fuck him ..tempo_n_groove said:
No, stop blaming Trump for everything, dear lord.dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of reasons why he shouldn't be president. This was all easily preventable.
I said this and it completely escaped you but Hugh made mention of it.
Why it doesn't make sense though is in this day and age all planes and their whereabouts in airspace is documented.
In other words there is radar and flight lines that are travel patterns for commercial planes so this doesn't happen.
Iran is inept if this is true.
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See difference here is I wasn't blaming Obama for everything so I sure as hell aren't blaming Trump for this.josevolution said:
He deserves to be blamed for everything period , just like Obama was and is still being blamed by this idiot or did you not watch the briefing he spewed nothing but falsehoods about the Iran nuclear deal! So Yeah the idiot in chief is to blame for everything! Fuck him ..tempo_n_groove said:
No, stop blaming Trump for everything, dear lord.dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of reasons why he shouldn't be president. This was all easily preventable.
I said this and it completely escaped you but Hugh made mention of it.
Why it doesn't make sense though is in this day and age all planes and their whereabouts in airspace is documented.
In other words there is radar and flight lines that are travel patterns for commercial planes so this doesn't happen.
Iran is inept if this is true.0 -
So, your solution is to make it public knowledge where any planes at all times to who? Foreign governments, the military, anyone who wants it?tempo_n_groove said:
No, stop blaming Trump for everything, dear lord.dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of reasons why he shouldn't be president. This was all easily preventable.
I said this and it completely escaped you but Hugh made mention of it.
Why it doesn't make sense though is in this day and age all planes and their whereabouts in airspace is documented.
In other words there is radar and flight lines that are travel patterns for commercial planes so this doesn't happen.
Iran is inept if this is true.
Cause and effect man. If Trump doesn't make the moves he does and then broadcast to the world that he intends to retaliate significantly (and maybe even disproportionately), this doesn't happen. Sure, he didn't make Iran fire at that plane, but his actions directly led to it. A genuine and empathetic human being would be haunted by this the rest of their life, but not him, and apparently you wouldn't be either.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Not talking about us here! Did you watch the briefing? How many times did he mention Obama? Incarceration of immigrants, separating kids , totally disrespecting gold star families everything is he’s fault so yeah I’m blaming the idiot on this too!tempo_n_groove said:
See difference here is I wasn't blaming Obama for everything so I sure as hell aren't blaming Trump for this.josevolution said:
He deserves to be blamed for everything period , just like Obama was and is still being blamed by this idiot or did you not watch the briefing he spewed nothing but falsehoods about the Iran nuclear deal! So Yeah the idiot in chief is to blame for everything! Fuck him ..tempo_n_groove said:
No, stop blaming Trump for everything, dear lord.dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of reasons why he shouldn't be president. This was all easily preventable.
I said this and it completely escaped you but Hugh made mention of it.
Why it doesn't make sense though is in this day and age all planes and their whereabouts in airspace is documented.
In other words there is radar and flight lines that are travel patterns for commercial planes so this doesn't happen.
Iran is inept if this is true.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
So, your solution is to make it public knowledge where any planes at all times to who? Foreign governments, the military, anyone who wants it?tbergs said:
So, your solution is to make it public knowledge where any planes at all times to who? Foreign governments, the military, anyone who wants it?tempo_n_groove said:
No, stop blaming Trump for everything, dear lord.dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of reasons why he shouldn't be president. This was all easily preventable.
I said this and it completely escaped you but Hugh made mention of it.
Why it doesn't make sense though is in this day and age all planes and their whereabouts in airspace is documented.
In other words there is radar and flight lines that are travel patterns for commercial planes so this doesn't happen.
Iran is inept if this is true.
Cause and effect man. If Trump doesn't make the moves he does and then broadcast to the world that he intends to retaliate significantly (and maybe even disproportionately), this doesn't happen. Sure, he didn't make Iran fire at that plane, but his actions directly led to it. A genuine and empathetic human being would be haunted by this the rest of their life, but not him, and apparently you wouldn't be either.
This is basic commercial aviation 101. The controllers tell you what route to take. If they didn't planes would be crashing in mid air.
Pt 2, no I wouldn't. See my reasoning above. This has zero to do with being empathetic.0 -
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.dignin said:
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?tempo_n_groove said:
No, stop blaming Trump for everything, dear lord.dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of reasons why he shouldn't be president. This was all easily preventable.
I said this and it completely escaped you but Hugh made mention of it.
Why it doesn't make sense though is in this day and age all planes and their whereabouts in airspace is documented.
In other words there is radar and flight lines that are travel patterns for commercial planes so this doesn't happen.
Iran is inept if this is true.
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.0 -
Right? I completely agree. Trump should have never been allowed to be a president.tempo_n_groove said:
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.dignin said:
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?tempo_n_groove said:
No, stop blaming Trump for everything, dear lord.dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of reasons why he shouldn't be president. This was all easily preventable.
I said this and it completely escaped you but Hugh made mention of it.
Why it doesn't make sense though is in this day and age all planes and their whereabouts in airspace is documented.
In other words there is radar and flight lines that are travel patterns for commercial planes so this doesn't happen.
Iran is inept if this is true.
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
I agree, Trump shouldn't be in charge of anything.tempo_n_groove said:
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.dignin said:
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?tempo_n_groove said:
No, stop blaming Trump for everything, dear lord.dignin said:
Its easy to argue that without Trump's stupid irresponsible actions, this never would have happened. He isn't far removed from this, he is directly involved.HughFreakingDillon said:
trump is an asshole for murdering that general. however, it's not his fault the iranian military is (apparently) so fucking inept that they (apparently) shot down a civilian craft because they were nervous about an attack.dignin said:
That's why it would be a mistake, which is why right now, with the info available, it's the the most plausible answer. That could change as more is known.tempo_n_groove said:
See my comment above as to why it doesn't make sense.Kat said:
This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.mrussel1 said:
I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage.mcgruff10 said:
link?1ThoughtKnown said:Told you. That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths.What a piece of shit.
Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people. I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity. However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected. It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake.
And that said, it would make Trump somewhat responsible. Do to the escalation, none of this would have happened.
And if true, I will add this to the list of reasons why he shouldn't be president. This was all easily preventable.
I said this and it completely escaped you but Hugh made mention of it.
Why it doesn't make sense though is in this day and age all planes and their whereabouts in airspace is documented.
In other words there is radar and flight lines that are travel patterns for commercial planes so this doesn't happen.
Iran is inept if this is true.
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
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