Iran Deal, the reset..... and halt

bootlegger10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

seriously. who can shoot down an airliner with no retaliation?

we would attack iran as part of the war on turr. we would not attack russia because trump is putin's buddy.

And they have nukes.  

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

Told you.  That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths. 

What a piece of shit. 

link?

I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage. 

Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people.  I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity.  However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected.  It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake. 

Let s wait and see the details before placing blame.  However I do think it is quite a stretch to blame trump if in fact Iran shot this plane down. 

gimmesometruth27 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

Told you.  That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths. 

What a piece of shit. 

link?

I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage. 

Bingo. This is George W/Dick Cheney BS all over again
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/09/gop-senator-who-erupted-over-iran-briefing-shares-awful-new-details/%3foutputType=amp

wow. 

it is encouraging that lee, a tea party republican, is finally finding his spine. i admire him for speaking out.

HughFreakingDillon said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

Told you.  That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths. 

What a piece of shit. 

that's quite a leap

Your opinion matters little to me quite frankly 

um, what?

HughFreakingDillon said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

You seem to think I’m making “quite the leap”.  Your opinion on that matters little to me.  I do not think I’m making any leap whatsoever.  Trump’s unprovoked attack without Congressional approval on Iran has resulted in a response which has resulted in the death of innocent people, many of whom are fellow Canadians. 

This is what despot leaders do.  This is not democracy.  Their blood is on his hands. 

so you say to someone that their opinion matters little to you because it simply differs from yours? and with absolutely zero evidence? alrighty. 

no one even knows if it was shot down or if it was mechanical or something else. it could be a horrible coincidence. of course the timing is VERY suspect. it could be iran. it could have been russia. we don't know. 

there seems to be some misunderstanding about what a president needs when it comes to military operations. he didn't declare war. he didn't need congressional approval, to my understanding. do I agree with it? no. I never agree with murder. I didn't agree with saddam, I didn't agree with bin laden, none of it.  but as far as I've read, he didn't do anything against what is allowed by american law. 

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

You seem to think I’m making “quite the leap”.  Your opinion on that matters little to me.  I do not think I’m making any leap whatsoever.  Trump’s unprovoked attack without Congressional approval on Iran has resulted in a response which has resulted in the death of innocent people, many of whom are fellow Canadians. 

This is what despot leaders do.  This is not democracy.  Their blood is on his hands. 

so you say to someone that their opinion matters little to you because it simply differs from yours? and with absolutely zero evidence? alrighty. 

no one even knows if it was shot down or if it was mechanical or something else. it could be a horrible coincidence. of course the timing is VERY suspect. it could be iran. it could have been russia. we don't know. 

there seems to be some misunderstanding about what a president needs when it comes to military operations. he didn't declare war. he didn't need congressional approval, to my understanding. do I agree with it? no. I never agree with murder. I didn't agree with saddam, I didn't agree with bin laden, none of it.  but as far as I've read, he didn't do anything against what is allowed by american law. 

Your thoughts that my opinion was “quite a leap” doesn’t matter to me mainly because you provided nothing in return. 

If anyone believes the plane crash was a coincidence they are at a minimum gullible. 

I understand the President is the Commander-in-Chief.  I understand US government and how it works. 

The point is, he didn’t declare war because he didn’t want have to receive Congressional Approval because he knows he wouldn’t get it. He attacked and killed a high-ranking Iranian official.  That is not an act of war? 

Also, an election is coming. He has been impeached, his approval ratings are lower than any President in history. The canned speech where he actually sounded somewhat “presidential”. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see what is going on here. 

People are going to die and he doesn’t care.. as long as he wins.  This selfish prick has to be shown the door before any more damage is done. 

mrussel1 said:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/downing-street-calls-for-urgent-inquiry-pentagon-confirms-plane-in-iran-was-shot-down-by-a4330741.html

According to this, speculation is that it was an error by the military.  Terrible collateral damage.  

mrussel1 said:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/downing-street-calls-for-urgent-inquiry-pentagon-confirms-plane-in-iran-was-shot-down-by-a4330741.html

According to this, speculation is that it was an error by the military.  Terrible collateral damage.  

Kat said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

Told you.  That fuckhead Trump is responsible for those deaths. 

What a piece of shit. 

link?

I think the poster means, Trump is responsible for the escalation, therefore responsible for collateral damage. 

Regarding this issue, I cannot see the strategic sense in Iran shooting down a plane of its own people.  I also have to believe that if a rocket was launched, our satellites would pick up that activity.  However, if it was shot down by smaller fire, it would not necessarily be detected.  It's also a possibility that someone in the Iranian made a horrible, horrible mistake. 

This is what I'm thinking without knowing the facts yet. Why wouldn't Iran maybe shoot down a plane over their airspace right after they shot missiles into Iraq? They'd be expecting a possible retaliation for their retaliation. It's a very possible mistake. The whole thing is a big and insane mistake.