mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

what dreams said:

So what's an appropriate retaliation? A bunch of Americans jump the fence of an Iranian embassy somewhere and . . . Hmmm, what's the purpose of trying to break into an embassy? Host a dinner party? 

What do you suggest is middle ground? How do you suppose we reason with a country full of people who stampede each other to death to glorify their martyr on his way to a heaven full of virgins? 

I'm totally okay with my unpopular opinion and the consequences of my preferred action. Either get out, or go all in. Sitting there like targets and taking shots is not good for America's future anywhere around the globe, in my view.

First, as you know, the embassy 'attack' was in response to the depot attacks launched by the US military on the 29th.  Either way, the assassination was clearly disproportionate.  Had Iran attacked our Brigadier General for the depot attack, that would also be an over-escalation on their part.  Iran's 'attack' was zero casualties.  Second, more importantly, the last three years has been nothing but a series of escalations by this administration, starting with reasserting sanctions and pulling out of the JCPOA, when Iran was by all accounts honoring the treaty.  The admin had no plan for a new nuclear treaty, no allies in Europe or anywhere in the world.  This whole thing is so foolish and without an end game, it's sickening.  

Would this even be a conversation if the guy was any other nationality?  

I don't understand..

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

what dreams said:

So what's an appropriate retaliation? A bunch of Americans jump the fence of an Iranian embassy somewhere and . . . Hmmm, what's the purpose of trying to break into an embassy? Host a dinner party? 

What do you suggest is middle ground? How do you suppose we reason with a country full of people who stampede each other to death to glorify their martyr on his way to a heaven full of virgins? 

I'm totally okay with my unpopular opinion and the consequences of my preferred action. Either get out, or go all in. Sitting there like targets and taking shots is not good for America's future anywhere around the globe, in my view.

First, as you know, the embassy 'attack' was in response to the depot attacks launched by the US military on the 29th.  Either way, the assassination was clearly disproportionate.  Had Iran attacked our Brigadier General for the depot attack, that would also be an over-escalation on their part.  Iran's 'attack' was zero casualties.  Second, more importantly, the last three years has been nothing but a series of escalations by this administration, starting with reasserting sanctions and pulling out of the JCPOA, when Iran was by all accounts honoring the treaty.  The admin had no plan for a new nuclear treaty, no allies in Europe or anywhere in the world.  This whole thing is so foolish and without an end game, it's sickening.  

Would this even be a conversation if the guy was any other nationality?  

I don't understand..

If the guy assasinated by trump was anything but Iranian would we be reacting the way we are?  No we would be celebrating that a pos terrorist is dead.   The only issue is of course is his nationality.  Otherwise he is nothing more than a footnote in the war on terror. 

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

what dreams said:

So what's an appropriate retaliation? A bunch of Americans jump the fence of an Iranian embassy somewhere and . . . Hmmm, what's the purpose of trying to break into an embassy? Host a dinner party? 

What do you suggest is middle ground? How do you suppose we reason with a country full of people who stampede each other to death to glorify their martyr on his way to a heaven full of virgins? 

I'm totally okay with my unpopular opinion and the consequences of my preferred action. Either get out, or go all in. Sitting there like targets and taking shots is not good for America's future anywhere around the globe, in my view.

First, as you know, the embassy 'attack' was in response to the depot attacks launched by the US military on the 29th.  Either way, the assassination was clearly disproportionate.  Had Iran attacked our Brigadier General for the depot attack, that would also be an over-escalation on their part.  Iran's 'attack' was zero casualties.  Second, more importantly, the last three years has been nothing but a series of escalations by this administration, starting with reasserting sanctions and pulling out of the JCPOA, when Iran was by all accounts honoring the treaty.  The admin had no plan for a new nuclear treaty, no allies in Europe or anywhere in the world.  This whole thing is so foolish and without an end game, it's sickening.  

Would this even be a conversation if the guy was any other nationality?  

I don't understand..

If the guy assasinated by trump was anything but Iranian would we be reacting the way we are?  No we would be celebrating that a pos terrorist is dead.   The only issue is of course is his nationality.  Otherwise he is nothing more than a footnote in the war on terror. 

mcgruff10 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

what dreams said:

So what's an appropriate retaliation? A bunch of Americans jump the fence of an Iranian embassy somewhere and . . . Hmmm, what's the purpose of trying to break into an embassy? Host a dinner party? 

What do you suggest is middle ground? How do you suppose we reason with a country full of people who stampede each other to death to glorify their martyr on his way to a heaven full of virgins? 

I'm totally okay with my unpopular opinion and the consequences of my preferred action. Either get out, or go all in. Sitting there like targets and taking shots is not good for America's future anywhere around the globe, in my view.

First, as you know, the embassy 'attack' was in response to the depot attacks launched by the US military on the 29th.  Either way, the assassination was clearly disproportionate.  Had Iran attacked our Brigadier General for the depot attack, that would also be an over-escalation on their part.  Iran's 'attack' was zero casualties.  Second, more importantly, the last three years has been nothing but a series of escalations by this administration, starting with reasserting sanctions and pulling out of the JCPOA, when Iran was by all accounts honoring the treaty.  The admin had no plan for a new nuclear treaty, no allies in Europe or anywhere in the world.  This whole thing is so foolish and without an end game, it's sickening.  

Would this even be a conversation if the guy was any other nationality?  

I don't understand..

If the guy assasinated by trump was anything but Iranian would we be reacting the way we are?  No we would be celebrating that a pos terrorist is dead.   The only issue is of course is his nationality.  Otherwise he is nothing more than a footnote in the war on terror. 

i have never celebrated the death of anybody, and i am not starting now.

Not bin laden?

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

what dreams said:

So what's an appropriate retaliation? A bunch of Americans jump the fence of an Iranian embassy somewhere and . . . Hmmm, what's the purpose of trying to break into an embassy? Host a dinner party? 

What do you suggest is middle ground? How do you suppose we reason with a country full of people who stampede each other to death to glorify their martyr on his way to a heaven full of virgins? 

I'm totally okay with my unpopular opinion and the consequences of my preferred action. Either get out, or go all in. Sitting there like targets and taking shots is not good for America's future anywhere around the globe, in my view.

First, as you know, the embassy 'attack' was in response to the depot attacks launched by the US military on the 29th.  Either way, the assassination was clearly disproportionate.  Had Iran attacked our Brigadier General for the depot attack, that would also be an over-escalation on their part.  Iran's 'attack' was zero casualties.  Second, more importantly, the last three years has been nothing but a series of escalations by this administration, starting with reasserting sanctions and pulling out of the JCPOA, when Iran was by all accounts honoring the treaty.  The admin had no plan for a new nuclear treaty, no allies in Europe or anywhere in the world.  This whole thing is so foolish and without an end game, it's sickening.  

Would this even be a conversation if the guy was any other nationality?  

I don't understand..

If the guy assasinated by trump was anything but Iranian would we be reacting the way we are?  No we would be celebrating that a pos terrorist is dead.   The only issue is of course is his nationality.  Otherwise he is nothing more than a footnote in the war on terror. 

I disagree.  He is a high ranking general of a legitimate nation-state.  Iran has a seat in the UN General Assembly.  They are not a rag tag bunch of terrorists.  And you if you start criticizing their asymmetrical warfare, then you are completing ignoring our history (past and present) of doing the same.  

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

what dreams said:

So what's an appropriate retaliation? A bunch of Americans jump the fence of an Iranian embassy somewhere and . . . Hmmm, what's the purpose of trying to break into an embassy? Host a dinner party? 

What do you suggest is middle ground? How do you suppose we reason with a country full of people who stampede each other to death to glorify their martyr on his way to a heaven full of virgins? 

I'm totally okay with my unpopular opinion and the consequences of my preferred action. Either get out, or go all in. Sitting there like targets and taking shots is not good for America's future anywhere around the globe, in my view.

First, as you know, the embassy 'attack' was in response to the depot attacks launched by the US military on the 29th.  Either way, the assassination was clearly disproportionate.  Had Iran attacked our Brigadier General for the depot attack, that would also be an over-escalation on their part.  Iran's 'attack' was zero casualties.  Second, more importantly, the last three years has been nothing but a series of escalations by this administration, starting with reasserting sanctions and pulling out of the JCPOA, when Iran was by all accounts honoring the treaty.  The admin had no plan for a new nuclear treaty, no allies in Europe or anywhere in the world.  This whole thing is so foolish and without an end game, it's sickening.  

Would this even be a conversation if the guy was any other nationality?  

I don't understand..

If the guy assasinated by trump was anything but Iranian would we be reacting the way we are?  No we would be celebrating that a pos terrorist is dead.   The only issue is of course is his nationality.  Otherwise he is nothing more than a footnote in the war on terror. 

I disagree.  He is a high ranking general of a legitimate nation-state.  Iran has a seat in the UN General Assembly.  They are not a rag tag bunch of terrorists.  And you if you start criticizing their asymmetrical warfare, then you are completing ignoring our history (past and present) of doing the same.  

Iran is far from legitimate. I do not agree with what trump did but I have no soft spot for that country.  Take a look at Iran’s humans rights records and ask yourself if the country would be better off without their current government.  

what dreams said:

dignin said:

what dreams said:

When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!"  Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics. 

You have completely ignored the US history in Iran.

I haven't ignored jack. I'm well aware of the bullshit the US has pulled in Iran and the oil industry. In the past year, I've read two different books by Iranian Americans about the revolution, and how anyone with brains got the hell out of that place while they could.

Yeah, that's right, our government isn't perfect, and they can have their damn oil as far as I'm concerned. Go solar, USA, and leave those idiots to drill oil we don't want or need. I have no problem with that at all. See what happens when nobody buys their damn oil because we've developed and lead the world in renewable energy. Absolutely bring that on.

But I'm not interested in living in a world where, as a female, I have to dress in a black sheet with nothing but an eye hole to see out of, or get stoned to death for walking down the street with without a male escort. All this false equivalency. Really? Go ahead, all of you and volunteer to move to to Iran if they're so worth defending. 

At this point, I absolutely hope our military bombs Tehren into the ground. We can't sit back and let these religious fanatics attack our embassy and our bases without retaliation. Those are American citizens living in those spaces, whether we like it or not. They are someone's children, husbands and wives, parents. We can't let Iran or any other country just kill them without defending them.

tbergs said:

Speaking of planes, how ironic to have one crash in Iran. Can't wait for more details on the cause.

what dreams said:

dignin said:

what dreams said:

When was the last time a million Americans gathered in a square to shout "Death to [Name Your Country]!"  Never. Our government is not perfect. Much of our foreign policy is whacked. But by and large, we are a generous people who would never whip ourselves into a stampede over the death of a general. Quite simplistically, and I know unrealistically, I would love it if we pulled out of Iraq and let those people have that desert all to themselves to do whatever they want. Good riddance, I would say. The Middle East has been nothing but trouble from the beginning. I just can't understand or sympathize with the point of view of a people, a culture, who hatefully gather to shout "Death to America." Fuck that. God help us all. We've got a lunatic president leading us into a war against a country also led by lunatics. 

You have completely ignored the US history in Iran.

I haven't ignored jack. I'm well aware of the bullshit the US has pulled in Iran and the oil industry. In the past year, I've read two different books by Iranian Americans about the revolution, and how anyone with brains got the hell out of that place while they could.

Yeah, that's right, our government isn't perfect, and they can have their damn oil as far as I'm concerned. Go solar, USA, and leave those idiots to drill oil we don't want or need. I have no problem with that at all. See what happens when nobody buys their damn oil because we've developed and lead the world in renewable energy. Absolutely bring that on.

But I'm not interested in living in a world where, as a female, I have to dress in a black sheet with nothing but an eye hole to see out of, or get stoned to death for walking down the street with without a male escort. All this false equivalency. Really? Go ahead, all of you and volunteer to move to to Iran if they're so worth defending. 

At this point, I absolutely hope our military bombs Tehren into the ground. We can't sit back and let these religious fanatics attack our embassy and our bases without retaliation. Those are American citizens living in those spaces, whether we like it or not. They are someone's children, husbands and wives, parents. We can't let Iran or any other country just kill them without defending them.