Iran Deal, the reset..... and halt

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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.”
    ― Benjamin Franklin
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    God damn it like everything else in life that dumb shit doubles down on his stupidity

    https://wgntv.com/2020/01/03/iraq-official-airstrike-kills-5-iran-backed-militia-north-of-baghdad/amp/
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    The Whac-a-Mole POTUS!


    "George W Bush and Barack Obama both rejected the move as too destabilising for the region. Based on his temperament, his past behaviour (including on Ukraine, the basis for the current impeachment proceedings against him) and his volatile tweeting, there is plenty of reason to believe that Trump has not thought about what follows the immediate sugar rush."

    “Less clear is the long term because there are so many uncertainties. He’s unleashed something he’s not able to control. This is the problem with a president who plays Whac-A-Mole rather than chess. I don’t think he’s thought through the long-term implications of this.”



    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
     The more I read the more I see what a bad move Trump made but I m not seeing this Iranian as the next Franz Ferdinand.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mcgruff10 said:
     The more I read the more I see what a bad move Trump made but I m not seeing this Iranian as the next Franz Ferdinand.  
    More like the Killers?
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,398
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
     The more I read the more I see what a bad move Trump made but I m not seeing this Iranian as the next Franz Ferdinand.  
    More like the Killers?
    Take Me Out was his favorite so probably Franz.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
     The more I read the more I see what a bad move Trump made but I m not seeing this Iranian as the next Franz Ferdinand.  
    More like the Killers?
    Hanson. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,289
    Maybe discuss the topic instead of name calling, being condescending and leaching onto wild theories with little fact or research ... perhaps we may learn something from each other. 

    One thing I find tough is watching / reading the news when every cable tv station I browsed today just had pundits screaming at each other ... much like AMT most of the time.  

    So, the only thing for certain is that Solomondie the general (i'm not google searching how to spell his name each time) would still be alive today if he was not in a foreign country after an attack on the US embassy.  Which begs the question, why was the general, who had been on the designated terror list for two presidential administrations, within miles of the the US embassy attack?  I'm ruling out that he was on holiday.  
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,289
    It also seems reckless that a cunning battlefield leader would expose himself as he did ... he has been fighting wars as long as I have walked this planet.  Was he over confident?  Did he assume that since he hadn’t been targeted in the past that he felt he was off limits?  Or was he ordered there by someone who outranked him?  If so, why would Iran expose a well known leader?
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,541
    RYME said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Who is Rose McGown and when did she start speaking for 50% of the country?
    My question as well. Who’s Rose?
    https://www.newsweek.com/rose-mcgowan-iran-twitter-apology-1480253
    I never knew her name before today some Lefty actress.
     I don't keep up with actresses and actors I don't watch many movies.
    lol you just posted an article about her but you don’t keep up with Hollywood types , how many more American soldiers are you ok with coming home in body bags from this point forward? You don’t offer your hand to your enemies while pointing a gun at them! I agree the terrorist deserves what he got no doubt about it...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
     The more I read the more I see what a bad move Trump made but I m not seeing this Iranian as the next Franz Ferdinand.  
    More like the Killers?
    Hanson. 
    Nirvana?


  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
     The more I read the more I see what a bad move Trump made but I m not seeing this Iranian as the next Franz Ferdinand.  
    More like the Killers?
    Hanson. 
    Nirvana?


    That s them!!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    What is it going to take for the Middle East to come out of the dark ages?  My guesses are Education, women’s rights, end Israel’s occupation of Palestinian areas and ending Iran’s influence in so many countries and conflicts.  What is done is done and all I can do is hope at some point this will all work out.  

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Jason P said:
    It also seems reckless that a cunning battlefield leader would expose himself as he did ... he has been fighting wars as long as I have walked this planet.  Was he over confident?  Did he assume that since he hadn’t been targeted in the past that he felt he was off limits?  Or was he ordered there by someone who outranked him?  If so, why would Iran expose a well known leader?
    Good questions.  It was very reckless.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,541
    bootlegger10 said:
    What is it going to take for the Middle East to come out of the dark ages?  My guesses are Education, women’s rights, end Israel’s occupation of Palestinian areas and ending Iran’s influence in so many countries and conflicts.  What is done is done and all I can do is hope at some point this will all work out.  

    So in other words never going to happen ..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    bootlegger10 said:
    What is it going to take for the Middle East to come out of the dark ages?  My guesses are Education, women’s rights, end Israel’s occupation of Palestinian areas and ending Iran’s influence in so many countries and conflicts.  What is done is done and all I can do is hope at some point this will all work out.  

    Not to worry, Jared is on the case.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,541
    Israel is never ever going to retreat from occupied Palestine territory! 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    bootlegger10 said:
    What is it going to take for the Middle East to come out of the dark ages?  My guesses are Education, women’s rights, end Israel’s occupation of Palestinian areas and ending Iran’s influence in so many countries and conflicts.  What is done is done and all I can do is hope at some point this will all work out.  


    Better education and improved women's rights are needed nearly universally.  Yes, the Israeli/ Palestinian situation is an on going mess.

    But "what's done is done" implies, "Oh well, let's forget that and move on."  But the fact is, that what's been done has created widespread concern for "heightened tensions in the middle east" (AKA another war), a more dangerous world, great risk of retaliation from the middle east, and the biggest gamble Trump has ever taken in his presidency.  It could backfire on him big time.  Not that I would mind that, but I do mind that this makes the world more unstable than ever.  This is more than a "what's done is done" situation.  Far more.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    Why are people freaking out that this could lead to world war 3? Like I said, I don’t see this as a franz Ferdinand replay. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    mcgruff10 said:
    Why are people freaking out that this could lead to world war 3? Like I said, I don’t see this as a franz Ferdinand replay. 
    I don’t either.  I don’t know what their end game is.  Iran can’t beat the US in a war so they aren’t going to go to full on war mode in the region.  Starting a war isn’t going to get rid of economic sanctions.  Gotta see what Russia would do.   The more real concern is targeted attacks a few times a year.  Trump will bomb them if they start up the nuclear program again. 

    As crazy as Trump is, I think Iran has to be a little nervous that Trump isn’t going to take their shit if they try to retaliate.  

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