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Mulvaney, Ghouliani, Bolton and the OMB guy.tempo_n_groove said:
@HalifaxHalifax2TheMax said:
And then the coverup, refusing to cooperate in a congressional investigation. The Impeachment 4 should testify at trial.mickeyrat said:
well , theres that......really the whole affair is textbook definitions of bribery (whitehouse visit, still hasnt happened) and extortion( give me a fucking break, "its a coincidence the money got held an hour after the call. nothing to see here.")Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor subvert the will of the people via passed legislation by both houses of Congress, you know, one of the co-equal branches of government.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
A lobbyist receives money from a contributor and makes sure that contributor gets taken care of later down the line. You know, how politics are done nowadays.Halifax2TheMax said:
In what context?tempo_n_groove said:
Isn't lobbying a form or even a Quid Pro Quo in itself?Halifax2TheMax said:
The Impeachment 4 need to testify and the Team Trump Treason Administration needs to be compelled to release all related documents as requested by the House. What are they hiding, if it was a “perfect call” and “no quid pro quo.”The Juggler said:
You are right that only a handful of them wield some control in making this be a fair trial. That's why polls like the one from this morning are important.ikiT said:I was thinking more about MItch not being in control of jamming this shizz down everyone's throat.
My take on removal is that its prob not gonna happen.
I would say there's a 12% chance of removal at this point. If, somehow, Bolton becomes a witness....I would jump it to about 30%.
Pelosi holding onto the articles is looking smarter and smarter...technically speaking, I would say yes. but only up to a point.chief difference though is advocating on behalf of a client, for legislative purposes. Even kosher when efforts are in the national interest but NOT for personal political gain......
Who are the 4? I missed them. Wondering if Gulianni is one?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Yes there is a difference, just pointing out how ridiculous lobbying is. It's actually "legal" to buy someone...mrussel1 said:
Holy shit dude, you don't see the difference? Trump withheld congressionally appropriated tax dollars for defense, until he received a personal favor for his re-election. You don't see how that is different than lobbying under the very structured statutes in this country? Give me a break. Lobbyists campaign for LAWS to be written and passed by congress, and then signed by the president. These are the established checks and balances.tempo_n_groove said:
Hmmm? What comparison could be made of a quid pro quo?Halifax2TheMax said:
A little different than what Team Trump Treason did. And lobbying has its own set of laws, rules and regulations regarding conduct. I’m not sure I understand what comparison you’re making?tempo_n_groove said:
A lobbyist receives money from a contributor and makes sure that contributor gets taken care of later down the line. You know, how politics are done nowadays.Halifax2TheMax said:
In what context?tempo_n_groove said:
Isn't lobbying a form or even a Quid Pro Quo in itself?Halifax2TheMax said:
The Impeachment 4 need to testify and the Team Trump Treason Administration needs to be compelled to release all related documents as requested by the House. What are they hiding, if it was a “perfect call” and “no quid pro quo.”The Juggler said:
You are right that only a handful of them wield some control in making this be a fair trial. That's why polls like the one from this morning are important.ikiT said:I was thinking more about MItch not being in control of jamming this shizz down everyone's throat.
My take on removal is that its prob not gonna happen.
I would say there's a 12% chance of removal at this point. If, somehow, Bolton becomes a witness....I would jump it to about 30%.
Pelosi holding onto the articles is looking smarter and smarter...
Can't think of a one, just thinking out loud...
Again, I don't think Trump did it for his re-election either but that has been discussed already.0 -
Lobbying certainly can be considered corrupt, but you still need a majority of the house and Senate to get something done. That's very different.tempo_n_groove said:
Yes there is a difference, just pointing out how ridiculous lobbying is. It's actually "legal" to buy someone...mrussel1 said:
Holy shit dude, you don't see the difference? Trump withheld congressionally appropriated tax dollars for defense, until he received a personal favor for his re-election. You don't see how that is different than lobbying under the very structured statutes in this country? Give me a break. Lobbyists campaign for LAWS to be written and passed by congress, and then signed by the president. These are the established checks and balances.tempo_n_groove said:
Hmmm? What comparison could be made of a quid pro quo?Halifax2TheMax said:
A little different than what Team Trump Treason did. And lobbying has its own set of laws, rules and regulations regarding conduct. I’m not sure I understand what comparison you’re making?tempo_n_groove said:
A lobbyist receives money from a contributor and makes sure that contributor gets taken care of later down the line. You know, how politics are done nowadays.Halifax2TheMax said:
In what context?tempo_n_groove said:
Isn't lobbying a form or even a Quid Pro Quo in itself?Halifax2TheMax said:
The Impeachment 4 need to testify and the Team Trump Treason Administration needs to be compelled to release all related documents as requested by the House. What are they hiding, if it was a “perfect call” and “no quid pro quo.”The Juggler said:
You are right that only a handful of them wield some control in making this be a fair trial. That's why polls like the one from this morning are important.ikiT said:I was thinking more about MItch not being in control of jamming this shizz down everyone's throat.
My take on removal is that its prob not gonna happen.
I would say there's a 12% chance of removal at this point. If, somehow, Bolton becomes a witness....I would jump it to about 30%.
Pelosi holding onto the articles is looking smarter and smarter...
Can't think of a one, just thinking out loud...
Again, I don't think Trump did it for his re-election either but that has been discussed already.
I guess I don't understand how you can think he didn't do it for re-election when the testimony from the witnesses said that Trump didn't care if there was an investigation, only that he announced an investigation. You don't think that's just a tiny bit odd, if he was doing it to stamp out corruption?0 -
TY.Halifax2TheMax said:
Mulvaney, Ghouliani, Bolton and the OMB guy.tempo_n_groove said:
@HalifaxHalifax2TheMax said:
And then the coverup, refusing to cooperate in a congressional investigation. The Impeachment 4 should testify at trial.mickeyrat said:
well , theres that......really the whole affair is textbook definitions of bribery (whitehouse visit, still hasnt happened) and extortion( give me a fucking break, "its a coincidence the money got held an hour after the call. nothing to see here.")Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor subvert the will of the people via passed legislation by both houses of Congress, you know, one of the co-equal branches of government.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
A lobbyist receives money from a contributor and makes sure that contributor gets taken care of later down the line. You know, how politics are done nowadays.Halifax2TheMax said:
In what context?tempo_n_groove said:
Isn't lobbying a form or even a Quid Pro Quo in itself?Halifax2TheMax said:
The Impeachment 4 need to testify and the Team Trump Treason Administration needs to be compelled to release all related documents as requested by the House. What are they hiding, if it was a “perfect call” and “no quid pro quo.”The Juggler said:
You are right that only a handful of them wield some control in making this be a fair trial. That's why polls like the one from this morning are important.ikiT said:I was thinking more about MItch not being in control of jamming this shizz down everyone's throat.
My take on removal is that its prob not gonna happen.
I would say there's a 12% chance of removal at this point. If, somehow, Bolton becomes a witness....I would jump it to about 30%.
Pelosi holding onto the articles is looking smarter and smarter...technically speaking, I would say yes. but only up to a point.chief difference though is advocating on behalf of a client, for legislative purposes. Even kosher when efforts are in the national interest but NOT for personal political gain......
Who are the 4? I missed them. Wondering if Gulianni is one?
No chance any one of them sees an investigation, especially Gulianni. He would be locked tight under client privileges.
Bolton would be interesting.0 -
Lobbying on the surface isn't ridiculous. A bunch of smaller players in an industry hiring someone to petition Congress on behalf of their mutual interests. More efficient than everyone going it alone. We're so jaded by corruption that it's easy to lose sight of the healthy function at the core of something.tempo_n_groove said:
Yes there is a difference, just pointing out how ridiculous lobbying is. It's actually "legal" to buy someone...mrussel1 said:
Holy shit dude, you don't see the difference? Trump withheld congressionally appropriated tax dollars for defense, until he received a personal favor for his re-election. You don't see how that is different than lobbying under the very structured statutes in this country? Give me a break. Lobbyists campaign for LAWS to be written and passed by congress, and then signed by the president. These are the established checks and balances.tempo_n_groove said:
Hmmm? What comparison could be made of a quid pro quo?Halifax2TheMax said:
A little different than what Team Trump Treason did. And lobbying has its own set of laws, rules and regulations regarding conduct. I’m not sure I understand what comparison you’re making?tempo_n_groove said:
A lobbyist receives money from a contributor and makes sure that contributor gets taken care of later down the line. You know, how politics are done nowadays.Halifax2TheMax said:
In what context?tempo_n_groove said:
Isn't lobbying a form or even a Quid Pro Quo in itself?Halifax2TheMax said:
The Impeachment 4 need to testify and the Team Trump Treason Administration needs to be compelled to release all related documents as requested by the House. What are they hiding, if it was a “perfect call” and “no quid pro quo.”The Juggler said:
You are right that only a handful of them wield some control in making this be a fair trial. That's why polls like the one from this morning are important.ikiT said:I was thinking more about MItch not being in control of jamming this shizz down everyone's throat.
My take on removal is that its prob not gonna happen.
I would say there's a 12% chance of removal at this point. If, somehow, Bolton becomes a witness....I would jump it to about 30%.
Pelosi holding onto the articles is looking smarter and smarter...
Can't think of a one, just thinking out loud...
Again, I don't think Trump did it for his re-election either but that has been discussed already.0 -
Add that lobbying typically takes place before and during when legislation is drafted and before there is a vote, when the opportunity to debate the merits of the legislation, in whole or in part, takes place. Team Trump Treason subverted the will of the people, after legislation had been, debated, passed and signed into law. Team Trump Treason is dirty, yo!pjl44 said:
Lobbying on the surface isn't ridiculous. A bunch of smaller players in an industry hiring someone to petition Congress on behalf of their mutual interests. More efficient than everyone going it alone. We're so jaded by corruption that it's easy to lose sight of the healthy function at the core of something.tempo_n_groove said:
Yes there is a difference, just pointing out how ridiculous lobbying is. It's actually "legal" to buy someone...mrussel1 said:
Holy shit dude, you don't see the difference? Trump withheld congressionally appropriated tax dollars for defense, until he received a personal favor for his re-election. You don't see how that is different than lobbying under the very structured statutes in this country? Give me a break. Lobbyists campaign for LAWS to be written and passed by congress, and then signed by the president. These are the established checks and balances.tempo_n_groove said:
Hmmm? What comparison could be made of a quid pro quo?Halifax2TheMax said:
A little different than what Team Trump Treason did. And lobbying has its own set of laws, rules and regulations regarding conduct. I’m not sure I understand what comparison you’re making?tempo_n_groove said:
A lobbyist receives money from a contributor and makes sure that contributor gets taken care of later down the line. You know, how politics are done nowadays.Halifax2TheMax said:
In what context?tempo_n_groove said:
Isn't lobbying a form or even a Quid Pro Quo in itself?Halifax2TheMax said:
The Impeachment 4 need to testify and the Team Trump Treason Administration needs to be compelled to release all related documents as requested by the House. What are they hiding, if it was a “perfect call” and “no quid pro quo.”The Juggler said:
You are right that only a handful of them wield some control in making this be a fair trial. That's why polls like the one from this morning are important.ikiT said:I was thinking more about MItch not being in control of jamming this shizz down everyone's throat.
My take on removal is that its prob not gonna happen.
I would say there's a 12% chance of removal at this point. If, somehow, Bolton becomes a witness....I would jump it to about 30%.
Pelosi holding onto the articles is looking smarter and smarter...
Can't think of a one, just thinking out loud...
Again, I don't think Trump did it for his re-election either but that has been discussed already.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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The Lobbying world irks me, it does.pjl44 said:
Lobbying on the surface isn't ridiculous. A bunch of smaller players in an industry hiring someone to petition Congress on behalf of their mutual interests. More efficient than everyone going it alone. We're so jaded by corruption that it's easy to lose sight of the healthy function at the core of something.tempo_n_groove said:
Yes there is a difference, just pointing out how ridiculous lobbying is. It's actually "legal" to buy someone...mrussel1 said:
Holy shit dude, you don't see the difference? Trump withheld congressionally appropriated tax dollars for defense, until he received a personal favor for his re-election. You don't see how that is different than lobbying under the very structured statutes in this country? Give me a break. Lobbyists campaign for LAWS to be written and passed by congress, and then signed by the president. These are the established checks and balances.tempo_n_groove said:
Hmmm? What comparison could be made of a quid pro quo?Halifax2TheMax said:
A little different than what Team Trump Treason did. And lobbying has its own set of laws, rules and regulations regarding conduct. I’m not sure I understand what comparison you’re making?tempo_n_groove said:
A lobbyist receives money from a contributor and makes sure that contributor gets taken care of later down the line. You know, how politics are done nowadays.Halifax2TheMax said:
In what context?tempo_n_groove said:
Isn't lobbying a form or even a Quid Pro Quo in itself?Halifax2TheMax said:
The Impeachment 4 need to testify and the Team Trump Treason Administration needs to be compelled to release all related documents as requested by the House. What are they hiding, if it was a “perfect call” and “no quid pro quo.”The Juggler said:
You are right that only a handful of them wield some control in making this be a fair trial. That's why polls like the one from this morning are important.ikiT said:I was thinking more about MItch not being in control of jamming this shizz down everyone's throat.
My take on removal is that its prob not gonna happen.
I would say there's a 12% chance of removal at this point. If, somehow, Bolton becomes a witness....I would jump it to about 30%.
Pelosi holding onto the articles is looking smarter and smarter...
Can't think of a one, just thinking out loud...
Again, I don't think Trump did it for his re-election either but that has been discussed already.
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that priviledge is out the window since he cant stay off tv long enough for the spittle to be wiped from the corner of his mouth.....tempo_n_groove said:
TY.Halifax2TheMax said:
Mulvaney, Ghouliani, Bolton and the OMB guy.tempo_n_groove said:
@HalifaxHalifax2TheMax said:
And then the coverup, refusing to cooperate in a congressional investigation. The Impeachment 4 should testify at trial.mickeyrat said:
well , theres that......really the whole affair is textbook definitions of bribery (whitehouse visit, still hasnt happened) and extortion( give me a fucking break, "its a coincidence the money got held an hour after the call. nothing to see here.")Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor subvert the will of the people via passed legislation by both houses of Congress, you know, one of the co-equal branches of government.mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
A lobbyist receives money from a contributor and makes sure that contributor gets taken care of later down the line. You know, how politics are done nowadays.Halifax2TheMax said:
In what context?tempo_n_groove said:
Isn't lobbying a form or even a Quid Pro Quo in itself?Halifax2TheMax said:
The Impeachment 4 need to testify and the Team Trump Treason Administration needs to be compelled to release all related documents as requested by the House. What are they hiding, if it was a “perfect call” and “no quid pro quo.”The Juggler said:
You are right that only a handful of them wield some control in making this be a fair trial. That's why polls like the one from this morning are important.ikiT said:I was thinking more about MItch not being in control of jamming this shizz down everyone's throat.
My take on removal is that its prob not gonna happen.
I would say there's a 12% chance of removal at this point. If, somehow, Bolton becomes a witness....I would jump it to about 30%.
Pelosi holding onto the articles is looking smarter and smarter...technically speaking, I would say yes. but only up to a point.chief difference though is advocating on behalf of a client, for legislative purposes. Even kosher when efforts are in the national interest but NOT for personal political gain......
Who are the 4? I missed them. Wondering if Gulianni is one?
No chance any one of them sees an investigation, especially Gulianni. He would be locked tight under client privileges.
Bolton would be interesting.
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Matt Gaetz the DUI drunk who’s daddy got him off? That Matt Gaetz? Bring the pissy frat boy on so he can lose his seat.ikiT said:How do we feel about the prospect of Hunter Biden being interrogated by Matt Gaetz?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Halifax2TheMax said:
Matt Gaetz the DUI drunk who’s daddy got him off? That Matt Gaetz? Bring the pissy frat boy on so he can lose his seat.ikiT said:How do we feel about the prospect of Hunter Biden being interrogated by Matt Gaetz?there wont be any house gop members as part of the defense. outside attoneys are hired.pelosi will in no way name any current gop house member as prosecutor._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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Many house members are attorneys and Nancy and Moscow Mitchy Baby can appoint anyone they choose. Both sides have capable attorneys/house members. It’s why Nancy is holding the articles back. She wants to know whether there will be witnesses and the need for a dogged prosecutor type or someone who can articulate a painted picture reliant upon what documents and testimony is already known. She smart, yo! I could see Blumenthal and Sawell, both former federal prosecutors, I believe, being part of the dems’ team. We’ll see, I suppose.mickeyrat said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Matt Gaetz the DUI drunk who’s daddy got him off? That Matt Gaetz? Bring the pissy frat boy on so he can lose his seat.ikiT said:How do we feel about the prospect of Hunter Biden being interrogated by Matt Gaetz?there wont be any house gop members as part of the defense. outside attoneys are hired.pelosi will in no way name any current gop house member as prosecutor.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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And the repubs will be allowed to cross examine witnesses, if allowed, or defend Team Trump Treason and Moscow Mitchy Baby could appoint Gaetz to either of those roles.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Hunter Biden doesn't have any knowledge of the soul-eater's activities so he can't be a witness to anything that actually applies to the impeachment. I agree with Schumer about that. It's not about the Bidens.Falling down,...not staying down0
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I agree with you. Any situation where a politician is compelled to enrich themselves over enriching the nation or acting in ways aligned with the moral principles of the nation is one that shouldn't be involved in politics. This risk exists in lobbying, and in illegally withholding congressionally appropriated funds from foreign governments. Ultimately though, it's the politician accepting the lobbyist dollars who should be held accountable in their respective house. Since the POTUS doesn't belong to a house, that's where impeachment comes in.tempo_n_groove said:
The Lobbying world irks me, it does.pjl44 said:
Lobbying on the surface isn't ridiculous. A bunch of smaller players in an industry hiring someone to petition Congress on behalf of their mutual interests. More efficient than everyone going it alone. We're so jaded by corruption that it's easy to lose sight of the healthy function at the core of something.tempo_n_groove said:
Yes there is a difference, just pointing out how ridiculous lobbying is. It's actually "legal" to buy someone...mrussel1 said:
Holy shit dude, you don't see the difference? Trump withheld congressionally appropriated tax dollars for defense, until he received a personal favor for his re-election. You don't see how that is different than lobbying under the very structured statutes in this country? Give me a break. Lobbyists campaign for LAWS to be written and passed by congress, and then signed by the president. These are the established checks and balances.tempo_n_groove said:
Hmmm? What comparison could be made of a quid pro quo?Halifax2TheMax said:
A little different than what Team Trump Treason did. And lobbying has its own set of laws, rules and regulations regarding conduct. I’m not sure I understand what comparison you’re making?tempo_n_groove said:
A lobbyist receives money from a contributor and makes sure that contributor gets taken care of later down the line. You know, how politics are done nowadays.Halifax2TheMax said:
In what context?tempo_n_groove said:
Isn't lobbying a form or even a Quid Pro Quo in itself?Halifax2TheMax said:
The Impeachment 4 need to testify and the Team Trump Treason Administration needs to be compelled to release all related documents as requested by the House. What are they hiding, if it was a “perfect call” and “no quid pro quo.”The Juggler said:
You are right that only a handful of them wield some control in making this be a fair trial. That's why polls like the one from this morning are important.ikiT said:I was thinking more about MItch not being in control of jamming this shizz down everyone's throat.
My take on removal is that its prob not gonna happen.
I would say there's a 12% chance of removal at this point. If, somehow, Bolton becomes a witness....I would jump it to about 30%.
Pelosi holding onto the articles is looking smarter and smarter...
Can't think of a one, just thinking out loud...
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Many house members are attorneys and Nancy and Moscow Mitchy Baby can appoint anyone they choose. Both sides have capable attorneys/house members. It’s why Nancy is holding the articles back. She wants to know whether there will be witnesses and the need for a dogged prosecutor type or someone who can articulate a painted picture reliant upon what documents and testimony is already known. She smart, yo! I could see Blumenthal and Sawell, both former federal prosecutors, I believe, being part of the dems’ team. We’ll see, I suppose.mickeyrat said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Matt Gaetz the DUI drunk who’s daddy got him off? That Matt Gaetz? Bring the pissy frat boy on so he can lose his seat.ikiT said:How do we feel about the prospect of Hunter Biden being interrogated by Matt Gaetz?there wont be any house gop members as part of the defense. outside attoneys are hired.pelosi will in no way name any current gop house member as prosecutor.McConnell doesnt appoint anyone. during Clintons trial, house managers served as prosecutors. Clinton hired an outside team or used white house lawyers.Now in theory I suppose Trump could hire a house member but might not be wise given they arent active practicing attorneys. Gaetz has 3 yrs experience practicing law. Graduated in 2007, elected to Fla House in 2010......._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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Friendly reminder there does not need to be quid pro quo in order for there to be a crime.
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This is still true. If there is any change, I will update. Thank you for not posting the name soul-eater has tweeted. I hear that what soul-eater has done is illegal by revealing the name, and that would be no surprise.Kat said:If we took a vote, I tend to think most of you would agree with this. In any event, do not post the whistle blower's identity here. There are whistle blower protections and we'll go along with that. This doesn't mean a situation can't be discussed but keep any details that would give the identity private. Thanks everyone...have a great evening.
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