I'm not sure what the deal is here. Even the lawyers can't seem to agree on this. Is there anyone here qualified to really know what is what here? I know I'm not!
The White House is considering making the case that Mr. Trump has not been impeached based on an opinion piece by Harvard Law Professor Noah Feldman on Bloomberg's opinion page
Thursday. Feldman was one of the legal experts called by Democrats to
testify before the House Judiciary Committee earlier this month and has advocated for Mr. Trump's impeachment and removal from office.
"Impeachment as contemplated by the Constitution does not consist
merely of the vote by the House, but of the process of sending the
articles to the Senate for trial," Feldman wrote in Bloomberg. "Both
parts are necessary to make an impeachment under the Constitution: The
House must actually send the articles and send managers to the Senate to
prosecute the impeachment. And the Senate must actually hold a trial."
"If
the House does not communicate its impeachment to the Senate, it hasn't
actually impeached the president. If the articles are not transmitted,
Trump could legitimately say that he wasn't truly impeached at all,"
Feldman wrote.
However, Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe wrote on Twitter that
he disagreed with Feldman's analysis, saying that "under Art. I, Sec.
2, Clause 5, he was impeached on Dec 18, 2019. He will forever remain
impeached. Period." That portion of the Constitution says that the House
of Representatives "shall have the sole Power of Impeachment."
It doesn't really matter. It's basically Constitutional lawyers arguing over what the history books would say if a meteor hit DC tomorrow.
They'll say impeached. He has been charged officially with high crimes and misdemeanors. He hasn't been convicted. It's pretty straightforward
The guy who made the argument, Noah Feldman, was a Democrat witness in the hearings. He's not some hack from OANN. It's an interesting argument if you care enough to indulge it. It's definitely not worth pounding your fist on the table over, though.
It doesn't make a difference to me who is making the argument. It's specious because there's nothing in the Constitution that says it's some continuous process and if part two isn't completed, then it's "null and void" which is what the Trump team is trying to argue. Each chamber has their role. Once the House votes, he's impeached. And then the trial starts. Even when acquitted, he's impeached, just like Johnson and Clinton.
I can maybe see the argument if the House never delivers it to the Senate but I don’t think it’s going to play out like that.
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He’s officially impeached but since Pelosi has not sent the articles to the Senate, it’s tantamount to someone being charged with or indicted on a crime, but are out on bail with their court date pending.
I would agree he is impeached. But I don’t agree with this analogy and is why I don’t think it is far-fetched for those who claim he hasn’t been impeached yet. There is no pending trial. Its more like being out on bail but the prosecutor refuses to set a trial date so they can hang the label of being charged over your head indefinitely. At some point a judge is going to say Move forward with a trial or drop the charges. I think in 75 years when anyone who can remember this is dead or senile history will remember this as an impeachment with all democratic votes who decided they didn’t have enough for trial.
Duh...what happens when it goes to the senate in a few weeks?
People really think this isn’t going to the senate? Are these the same people who thought he wasn’t going to be impeached in the first place?
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She has made it clear, once the senate negotiates the rules for the trial she will send them over...
This is now on mitch. who is up for re-election
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He’s officially impeached but since Pelosi has not sent the articles to the Senate, it’s tantamount to someone being charged with or indicted on a crime, but are out on bail with their court date pending.
I would agree he is impeached. But I don’t agree with this analogy and is why I don’t think it is far-fetched for those who claim he hasn’t been impeached yet. There is no pending trial. Its more like being out on bail but the prosecutor refuses to set a trial date so they can hang the label of being charged over your head indefinitely. At some point a judge is going to say Move forward with a trial or drop the charges. I think in 75 years when anyone who can remember this is dead or senile history will remember this as an impeachment with all democratic votes who decided they didn’t have enough for trial.
Duh...what happens when it goes to the senate in a few weeks?
People really think this isn’t going to the senate? Are these the same people who thought he wasn’t going to be impeached in the first place?
Come on...
They were in a big hurry to get him impeached why are they dragging their feet now? To delay the inevitable?
He’s officially impeached but since Pelosi has not sent the articles to the Senate, it’s tantamount to someone being charged with or indicted on a crime, but are out on bail with their court date pending.
I would agree he is impeached. But I don’t agree with this analogy and is why I don’t think it is far-fetched for those who claim he hasn’t been impeached yet. There is no pending trial. Its more like being out on bail but the prosecutor refuses to set a trial date so they can hang the label of being charged over your head indefinitely. At some point a judge is going to say Move forward with a trial or drop the charges. I think in 75 years when anyone who can remember this is dead or senile history will remember this as an impeachment with all democratic votes who decided they didn’t have enough for trial.
Duh...what happens when it goes to the senate in a few weeks?
People really think this isn’t going to the senate? Are these the same people who thought he wasn’t going to be impeached in the first place?
Come on...
They were in a big hurry to get him impeached why are they dragging their feet now?
Wow, two lies in one question. You topped Team Trump Treason but you should be asking yourself why Team Trump Treason didn’t allow any of his Administration officials to testify before the House committees, particularly the Impeachment 4, release any of the documents requested by the House, testify before the House committee with his attorney present, despite the invitation to do so, and why Moscow Mitchy baby won’t allow witnesses in the upcoming senate trial. Too much critical thought, maybe?
He’s officially impeached but since Pelosi has not sent the articles to the Senate, it’s tantamount to someone being charged with or indicted on a crime, but are out on bail with their court date pending.
I would agree he is impeached. But I don’t agree with this analogy and is why I don’t think it is far-fetched for those who claim he hasn’t been impeached yet. There is no pending trial. Its more like being out on bail but the prosecutor refuses to set a trial date so they can hang the label of being charged over your head indefinitely. At some point a judge is going to say Move forward with a trial or drop the charges. I think in 75 years when anyone who can remember this is dead or senile history will remember this as an impeachment with all democratic votes who decided they didn’t have enough for trial.
Duh...what happens when it goes to the senate in a few weeks?
People really think this isn’t going to the senate? Are these the same people who thought he wasn’t going to be impeached in the first place?
Come on...
They were in a big hurry to get him impeached why are they dragging their feet now?
Wow, two lies in one question. You topped Team Trump Treason but you should be asking yourself why Team Trump Treason didn’t allow any of his Administration officials to testify before the House committees, particularly the Impeachment 4, release any of the documents requested by the House, testify before the House committee with his attorney present, despite the invitation to do so, and why Moscow Mitchy baby won’t allow witnesses in the upcoming senate trial. Too much critical thought, maybe?
No, The Sea of Stupidity that you swim in is deep and wide.
He’s officially impeached but since Pelosi has not sent the articles to the Senate, it’s tantamount to someone being charged with or indicted on a crime, but are out on bail with their court date pending.
I would agree he is impeached. But I don’t agree with this analogy and is why I don’t think it is far-fetched for those who claim he hasn’t been impeached yet. There is no pending trial. Its more like being out on bail but the prosecutor refuses to set a trial date so they can hang the label of being charged over your head indefinitely. At some point a judge is going to say Move forward with a trial or drop the charges. I think in 75 years when anyone who can remember this is dead or senile history will remember this as an impeachment with all democratic votes who decided they didn’t have enough for trial.
Duh...what happens when it goes to the senate in a few weeks?
People really think this isn’t going to the senate? Are these the same people who thought he wasn’t going to be impeached in the first place?
Come on...
They were in a big hurry to get him impeached why are they dragging their feet now?
Wow, two lies in one question. You topped Team Trump Treason but you should be asking yourself why Team Trump Treason didn’t allow any of his Administration officials to testify before the House committees, particularly the Impeachment 4, release any of the documents requested by the House, testify before the House committee with his attorney present, despite the invitation to do so, and why Moscow Mitchy baby won’t allow witnesses in the upcoming senate trial. Too much critical thought, maybe?
No, The Sea of Stupidity that you swim in is deep and wide.
So why not allow his cabinet members and senior officials to testify?
I'm not clear on what your argument is. Are you saying he didn't withhold aid to Ukraine unless the Zelensky announced the investigation? Or are you saying he did do that and it's fine? Which one?
He’s officially impeached but since Pelosi has not sent the articles to the Senate, it’s tantamount to someone being charged with or indicted on a crime, but are out on bail with their court date pending.
I would agree he is impeached. But I don’t agree with this analogy and is why I don’t think it is far-fetched for those who claim he hasn’t been impeached yet. There is no pending trial. Its more like being out on bail but the prosecutor refuses to set a trial date so they can hang the label of being charged over your head indefinitely. At some point a judge is going to say Move forward with a trial or drop the charges. I think in 75 years when anyone who can remember this is dead or senile history will remember this as an impeachment with all democratic votes who decided they didn’t have enough for trial.
Duh...what happens when it goes to the senate in a few weeks?
People really think this isn’t going to the senate? Are these the same people who thought he wasn’t going to be impeached in the first place?
Come on...
They were in a big hurry to get him impeached why are they dragging their feet now?
Wow, two lies in one question. You topped Team Trump Treason but you should be asking yourself why Team Trump Treason didn’t allow any of his Administration officials to testify before the House committees, particularly the Impeachment 4, release any of the documents requested by the House, testify before the House committee with his attorney present, despite the invitation to do so, and why Moscow Mitchy baby won’t allow witnesses in the upcoming senate trial. Too much critical thought, maybe?
No, The Sea of Stupidity that you swim in is deep and wide.
Ummmm, sure. I thought the Sea of Stupidity was what the magical ferry sailed through with Putin on the ritz at the helm. And I only swim in currents, no seas
He’s officially impeached but since Pelosi has not sent the articles to the Senate, it’s tantamount to someone being charged with or indicted on a crime, but are out on bail with their court date pending.
I would agree he is impeached. But I don’t agree with this analogy and is why I don’t think it is far-fetched for those who claim he hasn’t been impeached yet. There is no pending trial. Its more like being out on bail but the prosecutor refuses to set a trial date so they can hang the label of being charged over your head indefinitely. At some point a judge is going to say Move forward with a trial or drop the charges. I think in 75 years when anyone who can remember this is dead or senile history will remember this as an impeachment with all democratic votes who decided they didn’t have enough for trial.
Duh...what happens when it goes to the senate in a few weeks?
People really think this isn’t going to the senate? Are these the same people who thought he wasn’t going to be impeached in the first place?
Come on...
They were in a big hurry to get him impeached why are they dragging their feet now?
Wow, two lies in one question. You topped Team Trump Treason but you should be asking yourself why Team Trump Treason didn’t allow any of his Administration officials to testify before the House committees, particularly the Impeachment 4, release any of the documents requested by the House, testify before the House committee with his attorney present, despite the invitation to do so, and why Moscow Mitchy baby won’t allow witnesses in the upcoming senate trial. Too much critical thought, maybe?
No, The Sea of Stupidity that you swim in is deep and wide.
So why not allow his cabinet members and senior officials to testify?
I'm not clear on what your argument is. Are you saying he didn't withhold aid to Ukraine unless the Zelensky announced the investigation? Or are you saying he did do that and it's fine? Which one?
He’s officially impeached but since Pelosi has not sent the articles to the Senate, it’s tantamount to someone being charged with or indicted on a crime, but are out on bail with their court date pending.
I would agree he is impeached. But I don’t agree with this analogy and is why I don’t think it is far-fetched for those who claim he hasn’t been impeached yet. There is no pending trial. Its more like being out on bail but the prosecutor refuses to set a trial date so they can hang the label of being charged over your head indefinitely. At some point a judge is going to say Move forward with a trial or drop the charges. I think in 75 years when anyone who can remember this is dead or senile history will remember this as an impeachment with all democratic votes who decided they didn’t have enough for trial.
Duh...what happens when it goes to the senate in a few weeks?
People really think this isn’t going to the senate? Are these the same people who thought he wasn’t going to be impeached in the first place?
Come on...
They were in a big hurry to get him impeached why are they dragging their feet now?
Wow, two lies in one question. You topped Team Trump Treason but you should be asking yourself why Team Trump Treason didn’t allow any of his Administration officials to testify before the House committees, particularly the Impeachment 4, release any of the documents requested by the House, testify before the House committee with his attorney present, despite the invitation to do so, and why Moscow Mitchy baby won’t allow witnesses in the upcoming senate trial. Too much critical thought, maybe?
No, The Sea of Stupidity that you swim in is deep and wide.
So why not allow his cabinet members and senior officials to testify?
I'm not clear on what your argument is. Are you saying he didn't withhold aid to Ukraine unless the Zelensky announced the investigation? Or are you saying he did do that and it's fine? Which one?
We are well beond that. Don't insult yourself.
We're beyond the point of the articles? Why don't you catch me up by answering the question. Just curious to which of the two defenses you subscribe.
Trump's approval rating seems to be increasing every day. I just can't understand how this can be possible.
42.8 % of Americans support Trump. What a weird time in our history this is. So much madness, it's unsettling.
...which is actually down .6% from a week ago and lower than any other incumbent at this point in their term in the history of polling.
Just want to make sure we keep things in perspective.
further, this or other polls, what was the sample size, demographic, questions asked etc......WHO conducted the polling......
Good point!
I don't see how T could have more supporters than one or two gymnasiums full of deranged maniacs (a few of whom I call my friends and for whom I hope they find good help for their condition, LOL).
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Dimitri Firtash. Get to know the name and the background. You’re willfully ignorant if you don’t.
Hey! How’s Rodger Dodger Stoned dooing? Manaforte? Prolly thinking what’s taking so long? Too bad they don’t realize they’re wipes. Well, at their ages, they’re disposable. They lived colorful lives. Suckers.
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People really think this isn’t going to the senate? Are these the same people who thought he wasn’t going to be impeached in the first place?
Come on...
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Nobody likes those idiots.
I wish it was nobody!
42.8 % of Americans support Trump. What a weird time in our history this is. So much madness, it's unsettling.
Just want to make sure we keep things in perspective.
I live in rural MD and MAGA hats and Trump/Pence signs and stickers in public is my metric. ZERO.
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I'm not clear on what your argument is. Are you saying he didn't withhold aid to Ukraine unless the Zelensky announced the investigation? Or are you saying he did do that and it's fine? Which one?
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Again, so hope that is the case!
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