***DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED***
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mrussel1 said:
1. Trump didn't care if he was investigated, he cared that it was announced on cable news that he was going to be investigated.tempo_n_groove said:
Trump wanted him investigated. Where does it say that he wanted foreign countries to interfere w the election? If that happened then I missed that.The Juggler said:
You have lost your mind.tempo_n_groove said:
You think it's common for presidents to call upon foreign leaders and essentially ask them to interfere in our election for their own personal benefit?The Juggler said:
It literally does not. Did you suffer a stroke? That's why hardly any republicans are agreeing with him that it was a "perfect call."tempo_n_groove said:
I would say that what he did goes on everyday in politics. The Dems are so hellbent at ousting him that they found their shot and took it and will fail miserably.josevolution said:
So because of that looming scenario you believe this should of never been done? In other words let him do what ever he wants since he is the president..Jason P said:
What I think is that this will get shot down in the Senate.mrussel1 said:
So you think what Trump did with Ukraine is either acceptable or standard presidential behavior?Jason P said:Well at least if Biden wins we will have a POTUS with an impeccable record and guarded public speaking that will in no way open himself up to the GOP using this as a precident to launch a similar show in a few years. Whew.
I tell you I am about fed up w politics and the lack of bipartisanship and please don't tell me it's all the rep fault. That is what IS wrong w politics.
You think it's common for presidents to call upon foreign leaders and essentially ask them to interfere in our election for their own personal benefit? And then hold up much needed aid until they do? And then block a lawfully investigation into such an act?
Ladies and gentlemen....welcome to the twilight zone.
What the fuck.
I have a problem with this because that is not what happened. Sorry, not buyng this for a second. You can imply that but that is not what happened.
2. We have laws on the books that provide a method for the DOJ to investigate the actions of US nationals in overseas dealings. This is the proper and lawful method to handle such situation.
3. The administration was withholding congressionally appropriated aid until the announcement took place. This aid was critical for the Ukrainian gov't to defend itself in an actual hot war.
I feel like you really didn't pay attention to this whole deal.
Again I'll ask because apparently I am "ignorant"...tbergs said:
No shit, and this isn't even coming from a devout Trump supporter, who you expect to be this ignorant.mrussel1 said:
1. Trump didn't care if he was investigated, he cared that it was announced on cable news that he was going to be investigated.tempo_n_groove said:
Trump wanted him investigated. Where does it say that he wanted foreign countries to interfere w the election? If that happened then I missed that.The Juggler said:
You have lost your mind.tempo_n_groove said:
You think it's common for presidents to call upon foreign leaders and essentially ask them to interfere in our election for their own personal benefit?The Juggler said:
It literally does not. Did you suffer a stroke? That's why hardly any republicans are agreeing with him that it was a "perfect call."tempo_n_groove said:
I would say that what he did goes on everyday in politics. The Dems are so hellbent at ousting him that they found their shot and took it and will fail miserably.josevolution said:
So because of that looming scenario you believe this should of never been done? In other words let him do what ever he wants since he is the president..Jason P said:
What I think is that this will get shot down in the Senate.mrussel1 said:
So you think what Trump did with Ukraine is either acceptable or standard presidential behavior?Jason P said:Well at least if Biden wins we will have a POTUS with an impeccable record and guarded public speaking that will in no way open himself up to the GOP using this as a precident to launch a similar show in a few years. Whew.
I tell you I am about fed up w politics and the lack of bipartisanship and please don't tell me it's all the rep fault. That is what IS wrong w politics.
You think it's common for presidents to call upon foreign leaders and essentially ask them to interfere in our election for their own personal benefit? And then hold up much needed aid until they do? And then block a lawfully investigation into such an act?
Ladies and gentlemen....welcome to the twilight zone.
What the fuck.
I have a problem with this because that is not what happened. Sorry, not buyng this for a second. You can imply that but that is not what happened.
2. We have laws on the books that provide a method for the DOJ to investigate the actions of US nationals in overseas dealings. This is the proper and lawful method to handle such situation.
3. The administration was withholding congressionally appropriated aid until the announcement took place. This aid was critical for the Ukrainian gov't to defend itself in an actual hot war.
I feel like you really didn't pay attention to this whole deal.
No where do yo mention that Trump wanted other countries to interfere with an election.
That is what I am missing and you did too, but I'm ignorant?
Come now...
No I don't support Trump but the reach here is just that. Reaching.
I'm still waiting for someone to show me the evidence of where Trump asked for the election interference?0 -
You don't understand how asking a foreign gov't to launch a sham investigation into his most likely 2020 rival, and demanding it be done on television, while tying it to aid isn't attempting to interfere and corrupt the election? You don't see how he is using the power of the presidency to give himself an unfair advantage and leveraging OUR tax dollars to do it?
Again I'll ask because apparently I am "ignorant"...
No where do yo mention that Trump wanted other countries to interfere with an election.
That is what I am missing and you did too, but I'm ignorant?
Come now...
No I don't support Trump but the reach here is just that. Reaching.
I'm still waiting for someone to show me the evidence of where Trump asked for the election interference?0 -
Thank you Nancy and Dems and the one Independent with the courage to do the right thing. I'd like to keep our Democracy and get rid of the corruption we currently have, no matter who's doing it. I believe we'll be rewarded if we just keep doing the right thing. Get Russia out of my government and all the supporters of using them to "win"...they aren't winners at all. I've seen some honor in the Legislative Branch of my government lately and one day, it'll be in the Executive Branch again. My fingers are crossed for the Judicial Branch...3 co-egual branches of government. I hope everyone makes sure their voting rights are secure...check your records to be sure you aren't purged before November. There are going to be a LOT of shenanigans in 2020.
:::clink::: I'm cheering you all. Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas. etc.
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My thought is that Nancy will stall until she is confident she can flip one GOP senator to vote for impeachment in the Senate so the democrats can use the word “bipartisan” when describing the impeachment, much like the GOP is doing today with the congressional vote for impeachment.If she can’t feel confident getting one or two to flip then this will likely never move on.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0
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Did you just say people that listen to Howard stern are idiots? Where do you get your news, 1985?josevolution said:The Juggler said:
This is so incredibly shortsighted that I don't have the time to respond fully.tempo_n_groove said:
Everyone forgets that he was a likable guy at one point. He was in movies for years, did spots on Stern for years, had a tv show. People actually liked him, hell I liked him.F Me In The Brain said:angry_skull said:I bet he goes for a second and third impeachment. "Best, most impeached president ever."I am pretty sure we see him laughingly referencing this sometime in the coming days.What a fucking joke this guy is. Anyone who likes him just baffles me. (As a person...if you like him as a person you are absolutely baffling to me. Has there been a more unlikable public figure recently?)
It's only recently that he became president and the dirt starts to come out that makes you see the other side of a person and not like him. I would say that a lot of people don't care about that side of him and still support him.
He was a D list celebrity who was in Home Alone for 5 seconds 30 years ago. As a D list celebrity nobody really bothered to look at his racist and corrupt record that dates back to the 1970's. Fuck, my wife and I liked him on the Apprentice for years. Always thought it was funny that a guy who bankrupted a casino four times was being hailed as a titan of business. But it was a stupid mindless tv show. Who really gave a shit at the time?
It was not until his racist birther-ism nonsense that people started taking a closer look at him and realizing what kind of person he was. This, mind you, was YEARS before he became president.
Sheesh.
Well liked by who idiots who watch fake wrestling or listen to Stern lol so fucking what the Baffoon is repulsive everything bad that happens to him is warranted & deserved ...The Juggler said:
This is so incredibly shortsighted that I don't have the time to respond fully.tempo_n_groove said:
Everyone forgets that he was a likable guy at one point. He was in movies for years, did spots on Stern for years, had a tv show. People actually liked him, hell I liked him.F Me In The Brain said:angry_skull said:I bet he goes for a second and third impeachment. "Best, most impeached president ever."I am pretty sure we see him laughingly referencing this sometime in the coming days.What a fucking joke this guy is. Anyone who likes him just baffles me. (As a person...if you like him as a person you are absolutely baffling to me. Has there been a more unlikable public figure recently?)
It's only recently that he became president and the dirt starts to come out that makes you see the other side of a person and not like him. I would say that a lot of people don't care about that side of him and still support him.
He was a D list celebrity who was in Home Alone for 5 seconds 30 years ago. As a D list celebrity nobody really bothered to look at his racist and corrupt record that dates back to the 1970's. Fuck, my wife and I liked him on the Apprentice for years. Always thought it was funny that a guy who bankrupted a casino four times was being hailed as a titan of business. But it was a stupid mindless tv show. Who really gave a shit at the time?
It was not until his racist birther-ism nonsense that people started taking a closer look at him and realizing what kind of person he was. This, mind you, was YEARS before he became president.
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Kat said:Thank you Nancy and Dems and the one Independent with the courage to do the right thing. I'd like to keep our Democracy and get rid of the corruption we currently have, no matter who's doing it. I believe we'll be rewarded if we just keep doing the right thing. Get Russia out of my government and all the supporters of using them to "win"...they aren't winners at all. I've seen some honor in the Legislative Branch of my government lately and one day, it'll be in the Executive Branch again. My fingers are crossed for the Judicial Branch...3 co-egual branches of government. I hope everyone makes sure their voting rights are secure...check your records to be sure you aren't purged before November. There are going to be a LOT of shenanigans in 2020.
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It's a real head scratcher.mrussel1 said:
You don't understand how asking a foreign gov't to launch a sham investigation into his most likely 2020 rival, and demanding it be done on television, while tying it to aid isn't attempting to interfere and corrupt the election? You don't see how he is using the power of the presidency to give himself an unfair advantage and leveraging OUR tax dollars to do it?
Again I'll ask because apparently I am "ignorant"...
No where do yo mention that Trump wanted other countries to interfere with an election.
That is what I am missing and you did too, but I'm ignorant?
Come now...
No I don't support Trump but the reach here is just that. Reaching.
I'm still waiting for someone to show me the evidence of where Trump asked for the election interference?0 -
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I’m saying I don’t give a crap if Stern listeners like this idiot or not , it has no bearing on what I believe, I get my news from different sources 1985 ?cincybearcat said:
Did you just say people that listen to Howard stern are idiots? Where do you get your news, 1985?josevolution said:The Juggler said:
This is so incredibly shortsighted that I don't have the time to respond fully.tempo_n_groove said:
Everyone forgets that he was a likable guy at one point. He was in movies for years, did spots on Stern for years, had a tv show. People actually liked him, hell I liked him.F Me In The Brain said:angry_skull said:I bet he goes for a second and third impeachment. "Best, most impeached president ever."I am pretty sure we see him laughingly referencing this sometime in the coming days.What a fucking joke this guy is. Anyone who likes him just baffles me. (As a person...if you like him as a person you are absolutely baffling to me. Has there been a more unlikable public figure recently?)
It's only recently that he became president and the dirt starts to come out that makes you see the other side of a person and not like him. I would say that a lot of people don't care about that side of him and still support him.
He was a D list celebrity who was in Home Alone for 5 seconds 30 years ago. As a D list celebrity nobody really bothered to look at his racist and corrupt record that dates back to the 1970's. Fuck, my wife and I liked him on the Apprentice for years. Always thought it was funny that a guy who bankrupted a casino four times was being hailed as a titan of business. But it was a stupid mindless tv show. Who really gave a shit at the time?
It was not until his racist birther-ism nonsense that people started taking a closer look at him and realizing what kind of person he was. This, mind you, was YEARS before he became president.
Sheesh.
Well liked by who idiots who watch fake wrestling or listen to Stern lol so fucking what the Baffoon is repulsive everything bad that happens to him is warranted & deserved ...The Juggler said:
This is so incredibly shortsighted that I don't have the time to respond fully.tempo_n_groove said:
Everyone forgets that he was a likable guy at one point. He was in movies for years, did spots on Stern for years, had a tv show. People actually liked him, hell I liked him.F Me In The Brain said:angry_skull said:I bet he goes for a second and third impeachment. "Best, most impeached president ever."I am pretty sure we see him laughingly referencing this sometime in the coming days.What a fucking joke this guy is. Anyone who likes him just baffles me. (As a person...if you like him as a person you are absolutely baffling to me. Has there been a more unlikable public figure recently?)
It's only recently that he became president and the dirt starts to come out that makes you see the other side of a person and not like him. I would say that a lot of people don't care about that side of him and still support him.
He was a D list celebrity who was in Home Alone for 5 seconds 30 years ago. As a D list celebrity nobody really bothered to look at his racist and corrupt record that dates back to the 1970's. Fuck, my wife and I liked him on the Apprentice for years. Always thought it was funny that a guy who bankrupted a casino four times was being hailed as a titan of business. But it was a stupid mindless tv show. Who really gave a shit at the time?
It was not until his racist birther-ism nonsense that people started taking a closer look at him and realizing what kind of person he was. This, mind you, was YEARS before he became president.
Sheesh.
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The Juggler said:
Seriously? Come on man. A permanent stain on his record is an enormous thing in annalls of history.tempo_n_groove said:What do the Dems think is going to happen from all this except that what they tried to do ultimately failed?
I seriously don't understand what was trying to be accomplished if the Senate wasn't going to oust him in the first place.
Is it their fault the republicans are feckless cowards? You think because they are likely not to convict, they should say, aw, fuck it...go ahead and invite foreign countries to meddle in next year's elections with zero consequences! No, of course not. They did exactly what they had to do. They cannot control the senate.
Impeaching a president is not "ultimately failing". It is permanent and it is forever and it was the right thing to do. I think it's even more powerful a statement because it was not the most politically expedient move for them to make.
Now lets see if there can be a fair trial or not.and the fact his fragile fucking ego cant stand it.......THAT alone makes it worth it._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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He withheld aid from a country and had his personal lawyer leverage that aid in exchange for opening an investigation on what looks to be his primary political rival in 2020. It was a targeted action against Biden and he was circumventing official channels.tempo_n_groove said:mrussel1 said:
1. Trump didn't care if he was investigated, he cared that it was announced on cable news that he was going to be investigated.tempo_n_groove said:
Trump wanted him investigated. Where does it say that he wanted foreign countries to interfere w the election? If that happened then I missed that.The Juggler said:
You have lost your mind.tempo_n_groove said:
You think it's common for presidents to call upon foreign leaders and essentially ask them to interfere in our election for their own personal benefit?The Juggler said:
It literally does not. Did you suffer a stroke? That's why hardly any republicans are agreeing with him that it was a "perfect call."tempo_n_groove said:
I would say that what he did goes on everyday in politics. The Dems are so hellbent at ousting him that they found their shot and took it and will fail miserably.josevolution said:
So because of that looming scenario you believe this should of never been done? In other words let him do what ever he wants since he is the president..Jason P said:
What I think is that this will get shot down in the Senate.mrussel1 said:
So you think what Trump did with Ukraine is either acceptable or standard presidential behavior?Jason P said:Well at least if Biden wins we will have a POTUS with an impeccable record and guarded public speaking that will in no way open himself up to the GOP using this as a precident to launch a similar show in a few years. Whew.
I tell you I am about fed up w politics and the lack of bipartisanship and please don't tell me it's all the rep fault. That is what IS wrong w politics.
You think it's common for presidents to call upon foreign leaders and essentially ask them to interfere in our election for their own personal benefit? And then hold up much needed aid until they do? And then block a lawfully investigation into such an act?
Ladies and gentlemen....welcome to the twilight zone.
What the fuck.
I have a problem with this because that is not what happened. Sorry, not buyng this for a second. You can imply that but that is not what happened.
2. We have laws on the books that provide a method for the DOJ to investigate the actions of US nationals in overseas dealings. This is the proper and lawful method to handle such situation.
3. The administration was withholding congressionally appropriated aid until the announcement took place. This aid was critical for the Ukrainian gov't to defend itself in an actual hot war.
I feel like you really didn't pay attention to this whole deal.
Again I'll ask because apparently I am "ignorant"...tbergs said:
No shit, and this isn't even coming from a devout Trump supporter, who you expect to be this ignorant.mrussel1 said:
1. Trump didn't care if he was investigated, he cared that it was announced on cable news that he was going to be investigated.tempo_n_groove said:
Trump wanted him investigated. Where does it say that he wanted foreign countries to interfere w the election? If that happened then I missed that.The Juggler said:
You have lost your mind.tempo_n_groove said:
You think it's common for presidents to call upon foreign leaders and essentially ask them to interfere in our election for their own personal benefit?The Juggler said:
It literally does not. Did you suffer a stroke? That's why hardly any republicans are agreeing with him that it was a "perfect call."tempo_n_groove said:
I would say that what he did goes on everyday in politics. The Dems are so hellbent at ousting him that they found their shot and took it and will fail miserably.josevolution said:
So because of that looming scenario you believe this should of never been done? In other words let him do what ever he wants since he is the president..Jason P said:
What I think is that this will get shot down in the Senate.mrussel1 said:
So you think what Trump did with Ukraine is either acceptable or standard presidential behavior?Jason P said:Well at least if Biden wins we will have a POTUS with an impeccable record and guarded public speaking that will in no way open himself up to the GOP using this as a precident to launch a similar show in a few years. Whew.
I tell you I am about fed up w politics and the lack of bipartisanship and please don't tell me it's all the rep fault. That is what IS wrong w politics.
You think it's common for presidents to call upon foreign leaders and essentially ask them to interfere in our election for their own personal benefit? And then hold up much needed aid until they do? And then block a lawfully investigation into such an act?
Ladies and gentlemen....welcome to the twilight zone.
What the fuck.
I have a problem with this because that is not what happened. Sorry, not buyng this for a second. You can imply that but that is not what happened.
2. We have laws on the books that provide a method for the DOJ to investigate the actions of US nationals in overseas dealings. This is the proper and lawful method to handle such situation.
3. The administration was withholding congressionally appropriated aid until the announcement took place. This aid was critical for the Ukrainian gov't to defend itself in an actual hot war.
I feel like you really didn't pay attention to this whole deal.
No where do yo mention that Trump wanted other countries to interfere with an election.
That is what I am missing and you did too, but I'm ignorant?
Come now...
No I don't support Trump but the reach here is just that. Reaching.
I'm still waiting for someone to show me the evidence of where Trump asked for the election interference?
I'd be more sympathetic to the "fighting corruption" argument if anyone could give examples of this that don't include his political opponents specifically.0 -
He would have multiple rivals in the upcoming election, is he going to have them all investigated? Having it tied to aid is not interfering with the upcoming election... It can be assumed or implied, that is it. It isn't cut and dry. So no.mrussel1 said:
You don't understand how asking a foreign gov't to launch a sham investigation into his most likely 2020 rival, and demanding it be done on television, while tying it to aid isn't attempting to interfere and corrupt the election? You don't see how he is using the power of the presidency to give himself an unfair advantage and leveraging OUR tax dollars to do it?
Again I'll ask because apparently I am "ignorant"...
No where do yo mention that Trump wanted other countries to interfere with an election.
That is what I am missing and you did too, but I'm ignorant?
Come now...
No I don't support Trump but the reach here is just that. Reaching.
I'm still waiting for someone to show me the evidence of where Trump asked for the election interference?
Not seeing how he used his presidency to "leverage" an advantage. No on that too.
Just not seeing it the way you all do which is interesting, if you dislike Trump, he's guilty. You like Trump, he's innocent.
I don't care for Trump but I think he is innocent.
I guess I'm in the center then...
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He has multiple rivals in the election - what BS. Biden has been the front runner with the strongest name recognition since this campaign started. To claim that this is innocent betrays all prior knowledge of Trump and how he conducts himself.tempo_n_groove said:
He would have multiple rivals in the upcoming election, is he going to have them all investigated? Having it tied to aid is not interfering with the upcoming election... It can be assumed or implied, that is it. It isn't cut and dry. So no.mrussel1 said:
You don't understand how asking a foreign gov't to launch a sham investigation into his most likely 2020 rival, and demanding it be done on television, while tying it to aid isn't attempting to interfere and corrupt the election? You don't see how he is using the power of the presidency to give himself an unfair advantage and leveraging OUR tax dollars to do it?
Again I'll ask because apparently I am "ignorant"...
No where do yo mention that Trump wanted other countries to interfere with an election.
That is what I am missing and you did too, but I'm ignorant?
Come now...
No I don't support Trump but the reach here is just that. Reaching.
I'm still waiting for someone to show me the evidence of where Trump asked for the election interference?
Not seeing how he used his presidency to "leverage" an advantage. No on that too.
Just not seeing it the way you all do which is interesting, if you dislike Trump, he's guilty. You like Trump, he's innocent.
I don't care for Trump but I think he is innocent.
I guess I'm in the center then...Your conclusion that your opinion on Trump is purely related to whether you ‘like’ or ‘dislike’ him is fucking dumb, and fucking baseless, and fucking insulting. Some of us follow logic, not the bullshit rhetoric thrust at us on a regular basis.
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You want logic then? Look at who voted for impeachment, all democrats. You see who voted no? All republicans and 3 dems.benjs said:
He has multiple rivals in the election - what BS. Biden has been the front runner with the strongest name recognition since this campaign started. To claim that this is innocent betrays all prior knowledge of Trump and how he conducts himself.tempo_n_groove said:
He would have multiple rivals in the upcoming election, is he going to have them all investigated? Having it tied to aid is not interfering with the upcoming election... It can be assumed or implied, that is it. It isn't cut and dry. So no.mrussel1 said:
You don't understand how asking a foreign gov't to launch a sham investigation into his most likely 2020 rival, and demanding it be done on television, while tying it to aid isn't attempting to interfere and corrupt the election? You don't see how he is using the power of the presidency to give himself an unfair advantage and leveraging OUR tax dollars to do it?
Again I'll ask because apparently I am "ignorant"...
No where do yo mention that Trump wanted other countries to interfere with an election.
That is what I am missing and you did too, but I'm ignorant?
Come now...
No I don't support Trump but the reach here is just that. Reaching.
I'm still waiting for someone to show me the evidence of where Trump asked for the election interference?
Not seeing how he used his presidency to "leverage" an advantage. No on that too.
Just not seeing it the way you all do which is interesting, if you dislike Trump, he's guilty. You like Trump, he's innocent.
I don't care for Trump but I think he is innocent.
I guess I'm in the center then...Your conclusion that your opinion on Trump is purely related to whether you ‘like’ or ‘dislike’ him is fucking dumb, and fucking baseless, and fucking insulting. Some of us follow logic, not the bullshit rhetoric thrust at us on a regular basis.
I can’t believe that intelligent humans who can string a sentence together can’t see the egregious behaviours at play.
Last I checked the democrats didn't like him.
I'd love to ask what side of the aisle everyone is that is for the impeachment. My guess would all be along party lines.
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so that's evidence to you of what? all that shows me is republicans have hitched their wagons to this asshole where they previously all said he was an asshole because it's politically expedient for them to do so. for democrats? this could blow up in their faces in 2020, but they did it anyway. who has more to lose?tempo_n_groove said:
You want logic then? Look at who voted for impeachment, all democrats. You see who voted no? All republicans and 3 dems.benjs said:
He has multiple rivals in the election - what BS. Biden has been the front runner with the strongest name recognition since this campaign started. To claim that this is innocent betrays all prior knowledge of Trump and how he conducts himself.tempo_n_groove said:
He would have multiple rivals in the upcoming election, is he going to have them all investigated? Having it tied to aid is not interfering with the upcoming election... It can be assumed or implied, that is it. It isn't cut and dry. So no.mrussel1 said:
You don't understand how asking a foreign gov't to launch a sham investigation into his most likely 2020 rival, and demanding it be done on television, while tying it to aid isn't attempting to interfere and corrupt the election? You don't see how he is using the power of the presidency to give himself an unfair advantage and leveraging OUR tax dollars to do it?
Again I'll ask because apparently I am "ignorant"...
No where do yo mention that Trump wanted other countries to interfere with an election.
That is what I am missing and you did too, but I'm ignorant?
Come now...
No I don't support Trump but the reach here is just that. Reaching.
I'm still waiting for someone to show me the evidence of where Trump asked for the election interference?
Not seeing how he used his presidency to "leverage" an advantage. No on that too.
Just not seeing it the way you all do which is interesting, if you dislike Trump, he's guilty. You like Trump, he's innocent.
I don't care for Trump but I think he is innocent.
I guess I'm in the center then...Your conclusion that your opinion on Trump is purely related to whether you ‘like’ or ‘dislike’ him is fucking dumb, and fucking baseless, and fucking insulting. Some of us follow logic, not the bullshit rhetoric thrust at us on a regular basis.
I can’t believe that intelligent humans who can string a sentence together can’t see the egregious behaviours at play.
Last I checked the democrats didn't like him.
I'd love to ask what side of the aisle everyone is that is for the impeachment. My guess would all be along party lines.
he told zelinsky he needed a PERSONAL/POLITICAL favour, not a favor for the nation, for himself and his campaign, using taxpayer congress-approved funds as the carrot. and guili-fucking-ani is STILL DOING IT.
how is that not impeachable??By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
"so that's evidence to you of what?" Evidence that the people whom didn't like him went full on and hitched their wagon to impeachment. Hell there was a member that posted a thread "should Trump be impeached?" THE DAY HE WAS ELECTED!HughFreakingDillon said:
so that's evidence to you of what? all that shows me is republicans have hitched their wagons to this asshole where they previously all said he was an asshole because it's politically expedient for them to do so. for democrats? this could blow up in their faces in 2020, but they did it anyway. who has more to lose?tempo_n_groove said:
You want logic then? Look at who voted for impeachment, all democrats. You see who voted no? All republicans and 3 dems.benjs said:
He has multiple rivals in the election - what BS. Biden has been the front runner with the strongest name recognition since this campaign started. To claim that this is innocent betrays all prior knowledge of Trump and how he conducts himself.tempo_n_groove said:
He would have multiple rivals in the upcoming election, is he going to have them all investigated? Having it tied to aid is not interfering with the upcoming election... It can be assumed or implied, that is it. It isn't cut and dry. So no.mrussel1 said:
You don't understand how asking a foreign gov't to launch a sham investigation into his most likely 2020 rival, and demanding it be done on television, while tying it to aid isn't attempting to interfere and corrupt the election? You don't see how he is using the power of the presidency to give himself an unfair advantage and leveraging OUR tax dollars to do it?
Again I'll ask because apparently I am "ignorant"...
No where do yo mention that Trump wanted other countries to interfere with an election.
That is what I am missing and you did too, but I'm ignorant?
Come now...
No I don't support Trump but the reach here is just that. Reaching.
I'm still waiting for someone to show me the evidence of where Trump asked for the election interference?
Not seeing how he used his presidency to "leverage" an advantage. No on that too.
Just not seeing it the way you all do which is interesting, if you dislike Trump, he's guilty. You like Trump, he's innocent.
I don't care for Trump but I think he is innocent.
I guess I'm in the center then...Your conclusion that your opinion on Trump is purely related to whether you ‘like’ or ‘dislike’ him is fucking dumb, and fucking baseless, and fucking insulting. Some of us follow logic, not the bullshit rhetoric thrust at us on a regular basis.
I can’t believe that intelligent humans who can string a sentence together can’t see the egregious behaviours at play.
Last I checked the democrats didn't like him.
I'd love to ask what side of the aisle everyone is that is for the impeachment. My guess would all be along party lines.
he told zelinsky he needed a PERSONAL/POLITICAL favour, not a favor for the nation, for himself and his campaign, using taxpayer congress-approved funds as the carrot. and guili-fucking-ani is STILL DOING IT.
how is that not impeachable??
It can be implied that it was for his campaign, that's it.
That is the direction the dems are leading the impeachment findings to be.
It falls short in my eyes.
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Trump made a calculation that Biden would be the candidate. So are you saying that it was happenstance that Biden is on his radar here? Are you saying that he is truly trying to root out corruption? If you don't see what I'm saying, how do you explain his behavior? Is it just a series of unfortunate events?tempo_n_groove said:
He would have multiple rivals in the upcoming election, is he going to have them all investigated? Having it tied to aid is not interfering with the upcoming election... It can be assumed or implied, that is it. It isn't cut and dry. So no.mrussel1 said:
You don't understand how asking a foreign gov't to launch a sham investigation into his most likely 2020 rival, and demanding it be done on television, while tying it to aid isn't attempting to interfere and corrupt the election? You don't see how he is using the power of the presidency to give himself an unfair advantage and leveraging OUR tax dollars to do it?
Again I'll ask because apparently I am "ignorant"...
No where do yo mention that Trump wanted other countries to interfere with an election.
That is what I am missing and you did too, but I'm ignorant?
Come now...
No I don't support Trump but the reach here is just that. Reaching.
I'm still waiting for someone to show me the evidence of where Trump asked for the election interference?
Not seeing how he used his presidency to "leverage" an advantage. No on that too.
Just not seeing it the way you all do which is interesting, if you dislike Trump, he's guilty. You like Trump, he's innocent.
I don't care for Trump but I think he is innocent.
I guess I'm in the center then...0 -
I've said this before, Trump is vindictive and anyone that utters a bad word against him he goes after.mrussel1 said:
Trump made a calculation that Biden would be the candidate. So are you saying that it was happenstance that Biden is on his radar here? Are you saying that he is truly trying to root out corruption? If you don't see what I'm saying, how do you explain his behavior? Is it just a series of unfortunate events?tempo_n_groove said:
He would have multiple rivals in the upcoming election, is he going to have them all investigated? Having it tied to aid is not interfering with the upcoming election... It can be assumed or implied, that is it. It isn't cut and dry. So no.mrussel1 said:
You don't understand how asking a foreign gov't to launch a sham investigation into his most likely 2020 rival, and demanding it be done on television, while tying it to aid isn't attempting to interfere and corrupt the election? You don't see how he is using the power of the presidency to give himself an unfair advantage and leveraging OUR tax dollars to do it?
Again I'll ask because apparently I am "ignorant"...
No where do yo mention that Trump wanted other countries to interfere with an election.
That is what I am missing and you did too, but I'm ignorant?
Come now...
No I don't support Trump but the reach here is just that. Reaching.
I'm still waiting for someone to show me the evidence of where Trump asked for the election interference?
Not seeing how he used his presidency to "leverage" an advantage. No on that too.
Just not seeing it the way you all do which is interesting, if you dislike Trump, he's guilty. You like Trump, he's innocent.
I don't care for Trump but I think he is innocent.
I guess I'm in the center then...
That is how I see it.0 -
Okay, so using tax payer dollars to induce a foreign government to investigate someone you don't like isn't impeachable? That's a not a breach of the people's trust? That's pretty fucking corrupt.tempo_n_groove said:
I've said this before, Trump is vindictive and anyone that utters a bad word against him he goes after.mrussel1 said:
Trump made a calculation that Biden would be the candidate. So are you saying that it was happenstance that Biden is on his radar here? Are you saying that he is truly trying to root out corruption? If you don't see what I'm saying, how do you explain his behavior? Is it just a series of unfortunate events?tempo_n_groove said:
He would have multiple rivals in the upcoming election, is he going to have them all investigated? Having it tied to aid is not interfering with the upcoming election... It can be assumed or implied, that is it. It isn't cut and dry. So no.mrussel1 said:
You don't understand how asking a foreign gov't to launch a sham investigation into his most likely 2020 rival, and demanding it be done on television, while tying it to aid isn't attempting to interfere and corrupt the election? You don't see how he is using the power of the presidency to give himself an unfair advantage and leveraging OUR tax dollars to do it?
Again I'll ask because apparently I am "ignorant"...
No where do yo mention that Trump wanted other countries to interfere with an election.
That is what I am missing and you did too, but I'm ignorant?
Come now...
No I don't support Trump but the reach here is just that. Reaching.
I'm still waiting for someone to show me the evidence of where Trump asked for the election interference?
Not seeing how he used his presidency to "leverage" an advantage. No on that too.
Just not seeing it the way you all do which is interesting, if you dislike Trump, he's guilty. You like Trump, he's innocent.
I don't care for Trump but I think he is innocent.
I guess I'm in the center then...
That is how I see it.0 -
I'll admit my work life has been crazy a few months and I don't know as many details as I would like. But this is my perception so far. As tempo said, some have been calling for impeachment since the day he was elected. So at the very least this has obviously been a goal since before he was even sworn in. With Christmas break 2 days away hopefully I'll have time to read more up on it, but it definitely has a ring of crying wolf based on the last 3 years, and that the goal wasn't to enforce democracy, but instead undo an election they didn't like.0
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