Obama: Women "indisputably" better at leading

pjl44 · December 2019

HughFreakingDillon said:

evidence doesn't care if you think it's dumb.

So if you can significantly improve living standards and outcomes by voting in Carly Fiorina, why did you say you wouldn't?

HughFreakingDillon · December 2019

pjl44 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

evidence doesn't care if you think it's dumb.

So if you can significantly improve living standards and outcomes by voting in Carly Fiorina, why did you say you wouldn't?

because I don't agree with absolutes. I agree with the idea in general, but I've been talking about "majority" this entire thread. and his statement is hypothetical.

cincybearcat · December 2019

HughFreakingDillon said:

evidence doesn't care if you think it's dumb.

What evidence is there that having all female leaders leads to a better society?

that’s just dumb. It’s just as dumb as saying the opposite. Basing it off of sex is dumb. I’m kinda surprised you’d argue for no diversity. Are you a diversity denier?

pjl44 · December 2019

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

evidence doesn't care if you think it's dumb.

So if you can significantly improve living standards and outcomes by voting in Carly Fiorina, why did you say you wouldn't?

because I don't agree with absolutes. I agree with the idea in general, but I've been talking about "majority" this entire thread. and his statement is hypothetical.

His statement is hypothetical but it's definitely absolute - "every nation on Earth...improvement across the board." Honestly, I kinda think you and Cincy are on the same page, which is why I don't understand why you're giving him a hard time.

pjl44 · December 2019

The only reason people get behind those studies is because it feels subversive. If you reversed the results, it would feel deeply misogynistic. Pointing to studies to assert objective superiority on a particular trait based on gender or race is the slipperiest of slopes. I would recommend avoiding the temptation of buying in when it produces a result you like.

HughFreakingDillon · December 2019

it doesn't "produce a result I like". I researched it myself before posting it. As I said in the first post, I don't know where Obama came up with his claim. And yes, his claim is absolute, and I don't necessarily agree with that wholeheartedly, as I've stated several times and I hope I don't have to state it again. I'm going by results themselves. And my own personal experience, which I've laid out where I've given examples that are contrary to what obama said.

HughFreakingDillon · December 2019

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

evidence doesn't care if you think it's dumb.

What evidence is there that having all female leaders leads to a better society?

that’s just dumb. It’s just as dumb as saying the opposite. Basing it off of sex is dumb. I’m kinda surprised you’d argue for no diversity. Are you a diversity denier?

you're ignoring everything i've stated in this thread. i am obviously not anti-diversity. come on. if we can't have a discussion without just unequivocal "it's dumb", then what's the point?

I'm not saying all females are better than all males.

pjl44 · December 2019

HughFreakingDillon said:

it doesn't "produce a result I like". I researched it myself before posting it. As I said in the first post, I don't know where Obama came up with his claim. And yes, his claim is absolute, and I don't necessarily agree with that wholeheartedly, as I've stated several times and I hope I don't have to state it again. I'm going by results themselves. And my own personal experience, which I've laid out where I've given examples that are contrary to what obama said.

My issue is that this sort of "research" also produces output like The Bell Curve

cincybearcat · December 2019

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

evidence doesn't care if you think it's dumb.

What evidence is there that having all female leaders leads to a better society?

that’s just dumb. It’s just as dumb as saying the opposite. Basing it off of sex is dumb. I’m kinda surprised you’d argue for no diversity. Are you a diversity denier?

you're ignoring everything i've stated in this thread. i am obviously not anti-diversity. come on. if we can't have a discussion without just unequivocal "it's dumb", then what's the point?

I'm not saying all females are better than all males.

Relax I was just messing with you Re:diversity.

If you don’t agree with Obamas statement (never said you did), why do you have a problem with my opinion of his statement? I’m ignoring what you said cause the whole time I’ve been addressing what Obama said...in the article you posted...which I thought was the point.

And yes it’s a dumb statement by a smart guy cause he was pandering.

Do I think we need more female
leaders? Yes. Likely around 50%.

gimmesometruth27 · December 2019

i agree that women are better leaders.

except for tulsi. and that elizabeth holmes from theranos.

cincybearcat · December 2019

Yeah obamas pandering made it to the debate stage. Yuck

what dreams · December 2019

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

Just finished Marc Bennioff’s book Trailblazer.
Good read and within it he states the evidence doesn’t lie that private companies with more female representation at the executive level are more profitable. Being that these are by definition “leadership” positions and they are succeeding there, it would make sense in the public sector as well IMO.

You can’t argue with the evidence 😎

not to mention more employee engagement/happiness.

but hey, who cares about evidence, right?

Well, I have an EVP who is a woman and she is my boss’s, boss’s, boss.
I’ve met her a few times and she has never once asked/said my name or shown any interest in what I do. Just because a woman is a leader doesn’t make her a great leader by default.

But, there are many great executives in our company who are female. It’s important all organizations, including government, have the right balance.

From a school leadership perspective (sort of govt), I can say that the female principals I've had were petty, micro-managing control freaks who create one unsuccessful because unrealistic project after the other and can't make a consistent decision to save their lives. The females who are NOT like this never get promoted because they don't backstab and fake their way to the top.

The male principals are easy to read and get along with, and they focus on the right things to ensure the smooth daily operation of the school. I just recently put together a reference list for a new job. The only principals I listed were male because I know I can trust them.

As a female, I really hate saying this, but it's been my truth for a 26 year long career.

cincybearcat · December 2019

Yang's answer to this of course got laughs (pandering again) but it was just stupid as well. Focusing on 1 gender, 1 race, 1 anything like that is just really bizarre to me.

What do you get if you put a group of women in a room and leave them alone to long? Who the fuck cares. How about just get a diversity of thoughts and stop pandering like a bad comedy sit-com with the stupid bumbling dad/husband. It's not really funny.

I have no idea why we have to let the pendulum swing completely to the opposite side on these issues. It's a very valid issue to being up (lack of female leadership) in many instances instance (gov't, business, etc). But let's stop pretending it's so black and white and gender means something is better. Heck do you want the Real Housewives running anything? How about a group of dance moms (this does exist, it's real I know).

And I would think that Obama would be better with his words. But, he's usually so good, everyone is allowed a misstep. But that's what this is.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2020

cincybearcat said:

Yang's answer to this of course got laughs (pandering again) but it was just stupid as well. Focusing on 1 gender, 1 race, 1 anything like that is just really bizarre to me.

What do you get if you put a group of women in a room and leave them alone to long? Who the fuck cares. How about just get a diversity of thoughts and stop pandering like a bad comedy sit-com with the stupid bumbling dad/husband. It's not really funny.

I have no idea why we have to let the pendulum swing completely to the opposite side on these issues. It's a very valid issue to being up (lack of female leadership) in many instances instance (gov't, business, etc). But let's stop pretending it's so black and white and gender means something is better. Heck do you want the Real Housewives running anything? How about a group of dance moms (this does exist, it's real I know).

And I would think that Obama would be better with his words. But, he's usually so good, everyone is allowed a misstep. But that's what this is.

stereotypes are not the same as psychology.

you don't like the statistics posted?

cincybearcat · January 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

Yang's answer to this of course got laughs (pandering again) but it was just stupid as well. Focusing on 1 gender, 1 race, 1 anything like that is just really bizarre to me.

What do you get if you put a group of women in a room and leave them alone to long? Who the fuck cares. How about just get a diversity of thoughts and stop pandering like a bad comedy sit-com with the stupid bumbling dad/husband. It's not really funny.

I have no idea why we have to let the pendulum swing completely to the opposite side on these issues. It's a very valid issue to being up (lack of female leadership) in many instances instance (gov't, business, etc). But let's stop pretending it's so black and white and gender means something is better. Heck do you want the Real Housewives running anything? How about a group of dance moms (this does exist, it's real I know).

And I would think that Obama would be better with his words. But, he's usually so good, everyone is allowed a misstep. But that's what this is.

stereotypes are not the same as psychology.

you don't like the statistics posted?

Which ones?

All I’ve said is that Obama’s comment was asinine and pandering.

Look, I’m on your side that we need many more women leading companies and countries. I was really hoping for a strong female president to beat trump. I would love for a female president and think it’s last time to elect one. In fact it’s pretty embarrassing that it hasn’t happened yet.

I still think saying anything should be all 1 gender is just sit-com level junk.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2020

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

Yang's answer to this of course got laughs (pandering again) but it was just stupid as well. Focusing on 1 gender, 1 race, 1 anything like that is just really bizarre to me.

What do you get if you put a group of women in a room and leave them alone to long? Who the fuck cares. How about just get a diversity of thoughts and stop pandering like a bad comedy sit-com with the stupid bumbling dad/husband. It's not really funny.

I have no idea why we have to let the pendulum swing completely to the opposite side on these issues. It's a very valid issue to being up (lack of female leadership) in many instances instance (gov't, business, etc). But let's stop pretending it's so black and white and gender means something is better. Heck do you want the Real Housewives running anything? How about a group of dance moms (this does exist, it's real I know).

And I would think that Obama would be better with his words. But, he's usually so good, everyone is allowed a misstep. But that's what this is.

stereotypes are not the same as psychology.

you don't like the statistics posted?

Which ones?

All I’ve said is that Obama’s comment was asinine and pandering.

Look, I’m on your side that we need many more women leading companies and countries. I was really hoping for a strong female president to beat trump. I would love for a female president and think it’s last time to elect one. In fact it’s pretty embarrassing that  it hasn’t happened yet.

I still think saying anything should be all 1 gender is just sit-com level junk.

page 1. two posts in succession.

you don't think there is any truth to one gender being inherently better at certain things than others? men and women differ greatly in how they handle leadership roles, conflict, resolution, etc.

to break down Obama's statement, it was obviously hyperbolic and hypothetical in nature; we all know it could and would never happen. I think he was just stating overall the world would be in a better place. And I agree with that.

on one hand you are saying that "anything all one gender is junk" but then you also state in the same post you would love for a female president. a general statement about one gender. isn't that contradictory, or were you referring to a specific female candidate?

benjs · January 2020

I can find good men and bad men, good women and bad women.

It makes sense to me that given long-standing gender roles in society (at the very least North American society), men would organically develop a hunger with power, and women would organically develop empathy.

When I was starting out my career and did a corporate profiling exercise, my results showed 99th percentile within the engineering discipline for empathy. I was told if I could harness it, it would be my best asset, and if I couldn't, it would be my biggest threat. I'm obviously biased, but I believe that advice is true, and I believe the upside potential of putting empathetic people in positions of power, is enormous.

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