Obama: Women "indisputably" better at leading
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HughFreakingDillon said:i guess all the studies and surveys be damned, then.
LOL, with a few exceptions...
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Its says something about a person who decides to put time and effort into going against this piece of common sense:
"I'm absolutely confident that for two years, if every nation on Earth was run by women, you would see a significant improvement across the board on just about everything ... living standards and outcomes."
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Well how would we know when this nation hasn’t had a female president yet all we’ve ever had here is men president’s, I say let’s give women a chance !cincybearcat said:
Bingo. It’s a very trumpish thing for Obama to say. Disappointed in this really. Women and men can both make amazing leadershedonist said:
No no, not disputing the differences at all. In fact I celebrate them (“I don’t know how you guys walk around with those things”HughFreakingDillon said:
strange....i consider women and men to be quite different, and in many ways do possess different qualities in a general sense. do all women cry easier? no. are all men more aggressive then women? no. but generally there are things that each sex does a certain way. i personally don't think there's anything wrong with being open about those differences.hedonist said:
I know it wasn't meant that way, but "give women a kick at the can" strikes me a pat on the head. "Here, YOU try it now, little lady."HughFreakingDillon said:
now what motivation does he have to pander to females? And honestly, in my personal experience, comparing net positive experiences with male leaders and female ones over the past 25 years, I'd say females get the nod.cincybearcat said:Pandering...great.
It's an asinine comment. Just as it would be if it was said about Men being better, or anything. Really dumb.
are there bad female leaders? of course. my former female boss was a fucking asshole. our former female HR director was the devil incarnate.
as i said, i don't know what he's drawing this conclusion from, but I would say it's high time we give women a kick at the can. males have fucked everything up royally for centuries.
Again, not your intent, just my take-away.
Anyway, I agree with the concensus - ascribing qualities or a higher level of leadership based on one's sex? No thanks!
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i just don’t subscribe to the gender of someone making them an inherently better leader.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
I agree.josevolution said:
Well how would we know when this nation hasn’t had a female president yet all we’ve ever had here is men president’s, I say let’s give women a chance !cincybearcat said:
Bingo. It’s a very trumpish thing for Obama to say. Disappointed in this really. Women and men can both make amazing leadershedonist said:
No no, not disputing the differences at all. In fact I celebrate them (“I don’t know how you guys walk around with those things”HughFreakingDillon said:
strange....i consider women and men to be quite different, and in many ways do possess different qualities in a general sense. do all women cry easier? no. are all men more aggressive then women? no. but generally there are things that each sex does a certain way. i personally don't think there's anything wrong with being open about those differences.hedonist said:
I know it wasn't meant that way, but "give women a kick at the can" strikes me a pat on the head. "Here, YOU try it now, little lady."HughFreakingDillon said:
now what motivation does he have to pander to females? And honestly, in my personal experience, comparing net positive experiences with male leaders and female ones over the past 25 years, I'd say females get the nod.cincybearcat said:Pandering...great.
It's an asinine comment. Just as it would be if it was said about Men being better, or anything. Really dumb.
are there bad female leaders? of course. my former female boss was a fucking asshole. our former female HR director was the devil incarnate.
as i said, i don't know what he's drawing this conclusion from, but I would say it's high time we give women a kick at the can. males have fucked everything up royally for centuries.
Again, not your intent, just my take-away.
Anyway, I agree with the concensus - ascribing qualities or a higher level of leadership based on one's sex? No thanks! )
i just don’t subscribe to the gender of someone making them an inherently better leader.hippiemom = goodness0 -
If the primaries in 2016 had shaken out differently, who here would have voted for Carly Fiorina over Bernie Sanders?0
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all this being said, I'm not advocating for just voting for any woman for the mere sake of it. any person has to be a good leader and sound ideas. I vote quality over everything else, I just think that more people need to see the benefits of female leaders.pjl44 said:If the primaries in 2016 had shaken out differently, who here would have voted for Carly Fiorina over Bernie Sanders?
If I was american, and with the benefit of hindsight, I probably would have voted Sanders over Clinton in the primaries. at the time I may have chosen Clinton.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Hillary is 100x the leader Sanders is. Then again...so are most people.HughFreakingDillon said:
all this being said, I'm not advocating for just voting for any woman for the mere sake of it. any person has to be a good leader and sound ideas. I vote quality over everything else, I just think that more people need to see the benefits of female leaders.pjl44 said:If the primaries in 2016 had shaken out differently, who here would have voted for Carly Fiorina over Bernie Sanders?
If I was american, and with the benefit of hindsight, I probably would have voted Sanders over Clinton in the primaries. at the time I may have chosen Clinton.
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how so? is it his policies or his style?cincybearcat said:
Hillary is 100x the leader Sanders is. Then again...so are most people.HughFreakingDillon said:
all this being said, I'm not advocating for just voting for any woman for the mere sake of it. any person has to be a good leader and sound ideas. I vote quality over everything else, I just think that more people need to see the benefits of female leaders.pjl44 said:If the primaries in 2016 had shaken out differently, who here would have voted for Carly Fiorina over Bernie Sanders?
If I was american, and with the benefit of hindsight, I probably would have voted Sanders over Clinton in the primaries. at the time I may have chosen Clinton.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Style. Plus - she’s a woman so my opinion is indisputable.HughFreakingDillon said:
how so? is it his policies or his style?cincybearcat said:
Hillary is 100x the leader Sanders is. Then again...so are most people.HughFreakingDillon said:
all this being said, I'm not advocating for just voting for any woman for the mere sake of it. any person has to be a good leader and sound ideas. I vote quality over everything else, I just think that more people need to see the benefits of female leaders.pjl44 said:If the primaries in 2016 had shaken out differently, who here would have voted for Carly Fiorina over Bernie Sanders?
If I was american, and with the benefit of hindsight, I probably would have voted Sanders over Clinton in the primaries. at the time I may have chosen Clinton.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Of course. Which is why I think Obama's statement is pandering and people carrying on about needing a woman to lead are just virtue signaling. At the end of the day, you're going to back candidates that best match your beliefs. People only use this argument when these things conveniently align.HughFreakingDillon said:
all this being said, I'm not advocating for just voting for any woman for the mere sake of it. any person has to be a good leader and sound ideas. I vote quality over everything else, I just think that more people need to see the benefits of female leaders.pjl44 said:If the primaries in 2016 had shaken out differently, who here would have voted for Carly Fiorina over Bernie Sanders?
If I was american, and with the benefit of hindsight, I probably would have voted Sanders over Clinton in the primaries. at the time I may have chosen Clinton.0 -
Just finished Marc Bennioff’s book Trailblazer.Good read and within it he states the evidence doesn’t lie that private companies with more female representation at the executive level are more profitable. Being that these are by definition leadership positions and they are succeeding there, it would make sense in the public sector, particularly in government positions, as well IMO.You can’t argue with the evidence 😎Post edited by 1ThoughtKnown on0
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not to mention more employee engagement/happiness.1ThoughtKnown said:Just finished Marc Bennioff’s book Trailblazer.Good read and within it he states the evidence doesn’t lie that private companies with more female representation at the executive level are more profitable. Being that these are by definition “leadership” positions and they are succeeding there, it would make sense in the public sector as well IMO.You can’t argue with the evidence 😎
but hey, who cares about evidence, right?By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Well, I have an EVP who is a woman and she is my boss’s, boss’s, boss.HughFreakingDillon said:
not to mention more employee engagement/happiness.1ThoughtKnown said:Just finished Marc Bennioff’s book Trailblazer.Good read and within it he states the evidence doesn’t lie that private companies with more female representation at the executive level are more profitable. Being that these are by definition “leadership” positions and they are succeeding there, it would make sense in the public sector as well IMO.You can’t argue with the evidence 😎
but hey, who cares about evidence, right?I’ve met her a few times and she has never once asked/said my name or shown any interest in what I do. Just because a woman is a leader doesn’t make her a great leader by default.But, there are many great executives in our company who are female. It’s important all organizations, including government, have the right balance.0 -
“More female representation” likely means more diverse. More diverse is better. All women? Not as good as more diverse.HughFreakingDillon said:
not to mention more employee engagement/happiness.1ThoughtKnown said:Just finished Marc Bennioff’s book Trailblazer.Good read and within it he states the evidence doesn’t lie that private companies with more female representation at the executive level are more profitable. Being that these are by definition “leadership” positions and they are succeeding there, it would make sense in the public sector as well IMO.You can’t argue with the evidence 😎
but hey, who cares about evidence, right?hippiemom = goodness0 -
I’m 100% positive Benioff was talking about more diverse, better representation.cincybearcat said:
“More female representation” likely means more diverse. More diverse is better. All women? Not as good as more diverse.HughFreakingDillon said:
not to mention more employee engagement/happiness.1ThoughtKnown said:Just finished Marc Bennioff’s book Trailblazer.Good read and within it he states the evidence doesn’t lie that private companies with more female representation at the executive level are more profitable. Being that these are by definition “leadership” positions and they are succeeding there, it would make sense in the public sector as well IMO.You can’t argue with the evidence 😎
but hey, who cares about evidence, right?It’s really a good read, highly recommend. Business leaders driving change.0 -
majority are better. no one said by default. i actually said the exact opposite in a previous post.1ThoughtKnown said:
Well, I have an EVP who is a woman and she is my boss’s, boss’s, boss.HughFreakingDillon said:
not to mention more employee engagement/happiness.1ThoughtKnown said:Just finished Marc Bennioff’s book Trailblazer.Good read and within it he states the evidence doesn’t lie that private companies with more female representation at the executive level are more profitable. Being that these are by definition “leadership” positions and they are succeeding there, it would make sense in the public sector as well IMO.You can’t argue with the evidence 😎
but hey, who cares about evidence, right?I’ve met her a few times and she has never once asked/said my name or shown any interest in what I do. Just because a woman is a leader doesn’t make her a great leader by default.But, there are many great executives in our company who are female. It’s important all organizations, including government, have the right balance.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
again: I am not saying all bosses/leaders should be female. why does it so often have to be all or none around here?cincybearcat said:
“More female representation” likely means more diverse. More diverse is better. All women? Not as good as more diverse.HughFreakingDillon said:
not to mention more employee engagement/happiness.1ThoughtKnown said:Just finished Marc Bennioff’s book Trailblazer.Good read and within it he states the evidence doesn’t lie that private companies with more female representation at the executive level are more profitable. Being that these are by definition “leadership” positions and they are succeeding there, it would make sense in the public sector as well IMO.You can’t argue with the evidence 😎
but hey, who cares about evidence, right?By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Never said you did. Was making a general reply in the flow of the conversation. Quoted you for context purposes.HughFreakingDillon said:
majority are better. no one said by default. i actually said the exact opposite in a previous post.1ThoughtKnown said:
Well, I have an EVP who is a woman and she is my boss’s, boss’s, boss.HughFreakingDillon said:
not to mention more employee engagement/happiness.1ThoughtKnown said:Just finished Marc Bennioff’s book Trailblazer.Good read and within it he states the evidence doesn’t lie that private companies with more female representation at the executive level are more profitable. Being that these are by definition “leadership” positions and they are succeeding there, it would make sense in the public sector as well IMO.You can’t argue with the evidence 😎
but hey, who cares about evidence, right?I’ve met her a few times and she has never once asked/said my name or shown any interest in what I do. Just because a woman is a leader doesn’t make her a great leader by default.But, there are many great executives in our company who are female. It’s important all organizations, including government, have the right balance.
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"I'm absolutely confident that for two years, if every nation on Earth was run by women, you would see a significant improvement across the board on just about everything ... living standards and outcomes."HughFreakingDillon said:
again: I am not saying all bosses/leaders should be female. why does it so often have to be all or none around here?cincybearcat said:
“More female representation” likely means more diverse. More diverse is better. All women? Not as good as more diverse.HughFreakingDillon said:
not to mention more employee engagement/happiness.1ThoughtKnown said:Just finished Marc Bennioff’s book Trailblazer.Good read and within it he states the evidence doesn’t lie that private companies with more female representation at the executive level are more profitable. Being that these are by definition “leadership” positions and they are succeeding there, it would make sense in the public sector as well IMO.You can’t argue with the evidence 😎
but hey, who cares about evidence, right?Quote from obama on the article being discussed. So I kinda feel like it’s ok to say obamas comment was dumb and here is why. And guess what, it was pandering and dumb.hippiemom = goodness0 -
evidence doesn't care if you think it's dumb.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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