Obama: Women "indisputably" better at leading

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,813
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    i guess all the studies and surveys be damned, then. :lol:

    LOL, with a few exceptions...


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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,675
    edited December 2019
    Its says something about a person who decides to put time and effort into going against this piece of common sense:

     "I'm absolutely confident that for two years, if every nation on Earth was run by women, you would see a significant improvement across the board on just about everything ... living standards and outcomes."
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,224
    cincybearcat said:
    hedonist said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    hedonist said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Pandering...great.

    It's an asinine comment.  Just as it would be if it was said about Men being better, or anything.  Really dumb. 
    now what motivation does he have to pander to females? And honestly, in my personal experience, comparing net positive experiences with male leaders and female ones over the past 25 years, I'd say females get the nod. 

    are there bad female leaders? of course. my former female boss was a fucking asshole. our former female HR director was the devil incarnate. 

    as i said, i don't know what he's drawing this conclusion from, but I would say it's high time we give women a kick at the can. males have fucked everything up royally for centuries. 
    I know it wasn't meant that way, but "give women a kick at the can" strikes me a pat on the head.  "Here, YOU try it now, little lady."

    Again, not your intent,  just my take-away.

    Anyway, I agree with the concensus - ascribing qualities or a higher level of leadership based on one's sex?  No thanks!
    strange....i consider women and men to be quite different, and in many ways do possess different qualities in a general sense. do all women cry easier? no. are all men more aggressive then women? no. but generally there are things that each sex does a certain way. i personally don't think there's anything wrong with being open about those differences. 
    No no, not disputing the differences at all. In fact I celebrate them (“I don’t know how you guys walk around with those things” =) )

    i just don’t subscribe to the gender of someone making them an inherently better leader. 
    Bingo. It’s a very trumpish thing for Obama to say. Disappointed in this really. Women and men can both make amazing leaders 
    Well how would we know when this nation hasn’t had a female president yet all we’ve ever had here is men president’s, I say let’s give women a chance ! 

    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    josevolution said:
    cincybearcat said:
    hedonist said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    hedonist said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Pandering...great.

    It's an asinine comment.  Just as it would be if it was said about Men being better, or anything.  Really dumb. 
    now what motivation does he have to pander to females? And honestly, in my personal experience, comparing net positive experiences with male leaders and female ones over the past 25 years, I'd say females get the nod. 

    are there bad female leaders? of course. my former female boss was a fucking asshole. our former female HR director was the devil incarnate. 

    as i said, i don't know what he's drawing this conclusion from, but I would say it's high time we give women a kick at the can. males have fucked everything up royally for centuries. 
    I know it wasn't meant that way, but "give women a kick at the can" strikes me a pat on the head.  "Here, YOU try it now, little lady."

    Again, not your intent,  just my take-away.

    Anyway, I agree with the concensus - ascribing qualities or a higher level of leadership based on one's sex?  No thanks!
    strange....i consider women and men to be quite different, and in many ways do possess different qualities in a general sense. do all women cry easier? no. are all men more aggressive then women? no. but generally there are things that each sex does a certain way. i personally don't think there's anything wrong with being open about those differences. 
    No no, not disputing the differences at all. In fact I celebrate them (“I don’t know how you guys walk around with those things” =) )

    i just don’t subscribe to the gender of someone making them an inherently better leader. 
    Bingo. It’s a very trumpish thing for Obama to say. Disappointed in this really. Women and men can both make amazing leaders 
    Well how would we know when this nation hasn’t had a female president yet all we’ve ever had here is men president’s, I say let’s give women a chance ! 

    I agree. 
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,694
    If the primaries in 2016 had shaken out differently, who here would have voted for Carly Fiorina over Bernie Sanders?
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,118
    pjl44 said:
    If the primaries in 2016 had shaken out differently, who here would have voted for Carly Fiorina over Bernie Sanders?
    all this being said, I'm not advocating for just voting for any woman for the mere sake of it. any person has to be a good leader and sound ideas. I vote quality over everything else, I just think that more people need to see the benefits of female leaders. 

    If I was american, and with the benefit of hindsight, I probably would have voted Sanders over Clinton in the primaries. at the time I may have chosen Clinton. 
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    pjl44 said:
    If the primaries in 2016 had shaken out differently, who here would have voted for Carly Fiorina over Bernie Sanders?
    all this being said, I'm not advocating for just voting for any woman for the mere sake of it. any person has to be a good leader and sound ideas. I vote quality over everything else, I just think that more people need to see the benefits of female leaders. 

    If I was american, and with the benefit of hindsight, I probably would have voted Sanders over Clinton in the primaries. at the time I may have chosen Clinton. 
    Hillary is 100x the leader Sanders is. Then again...so are most people. ;)
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,118
    cincybearcat said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    pjl44 said:
    If the primaries in 2016 had shaken out differently, who here would have voted for Carly Fiorina over Bernie Sanders?
    all this being said, I'm not advocating for just voting for any woman for the mere sake of it. any person has to be a good leader and sound ideas. I vote quality over everything else, I just think that more people need to see the benefits of female leaders. 

    If I was american, and with the benefit of hindsight, I probably would have voted Sanders over Clinton in the primaries. at the time I may have chosen Clinton. 
    Hillary is 100x the leader Sanders is. Then again...so are most people. ;)
    how so? is it his policies or his style?
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    cincybearcat said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    pjl44 said:
    If the primaries in 2016 had shaken out differently, who here would have voted for Carly Fiorina over Bernie Sanders?
    all this being said, I'm not advocating for just voting for any woman for the mere sake of it. any person has to be a good leader and sound ideas. I vote quality over everything else, I just think that more people need to see the benefits of female leaders. 

    If I was american, and with the benefit of hindsight, I probably would have voted Sanders over Clinton in the primaries. at the time I may have chosen Clinton. 
    Hillary is 100x the leader Sanders is. Then again...so are most people. ;)
    how so? is it his policies or his style?
    Style. Plus - she’s a woman so my opinion is indisputable. 
    hippiemom = goodness
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,694
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    pjl44 said:
    If the primaries in 2016 had shaken out differently, who here would have voted for Carly Fiorina over Bernie Sanders?
    all this being said, I'm not advocating for just voting for any woman for the mere sake of it. any person has to be a good leader and sound ideas. I vote quality over everything else, I just think that more people need to see the benefits of female leaders. 

    If I was american, and with the benefit of hindsight, I probably would have voted Sanders over Clinton in the primaries. at the time I may have chosen Clinton. 
    Of course. Which is why I think Obama's statement is pandering and people carrying on about needing a woman to lead are just virtue signaling. At the end of the day, you're going to back candidates that best match your beliefs. People only use this argument when these things conveniently align.
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    edited December 2019
    Just finished Marc Bennioff’s book Trailblazer. 
    Good read and within it he states the evidence doesn’t lie that private companies with more female representation at the executive level are more profitable. Being that these are by definition leadership positions and they are succeeding there, it would make sense in the public sector, particularly in government positions, as well IMO. 

    You can’t argue with the evidence 😎
    Post edited by 1ThoughtKnown on
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,118
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    Just finished Marc Bennioff’s book Trailblazer. 
    Good read and within it he states the evidence doesn’t lie that private companies with more female representation at the executive level are more profitable. Being that these are by definition “leadership” positions and they are succeeding there, it would make sense in the public sector as well IMO. 

    You can’t argue with the evidence 😎
    not to mention more employee engagement/happiness. 

    but hey, who cares about evidence, right?
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  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    Just finished Marc Bennioff’s book Trailblazer. 
    Good read and within it he states the evidence doesn’t lie that private companies with more female representation at the executive level are more profitable. Being that these are by definition “leadership” positions and they are succeeding there, it would make sense in the public sector as well IMO. 

    You can’t argue with the evidence 😎
    not to mention more employee engagement/happiness. 

    but hey, who cares about evidence, right?
    Well, I have an EVP who is a woman and she is my boss’s, boss’s, boss. 
    I’ve met her a few times and she has never once asked/said my name or shown any interest in what I do. Just because a woman is a leader doesn’t make her a great leader by default. 

    But, there are many great executives in our company who are female. It’s important all organizations, including government, have the right balance.  
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    Just finished Marc Bennioff’s book Trailblazer. 
    Good read and within it he states the evidence doesn’t lie that private companies with more female representation at the executive level are more profitable. Being that these are by definition “leadership” positions and they are succeeding there, it would make sense in the public sector as well IMO. 

    You can’t argue with the evidence 😎
    not to mention more employee engagement/happiness. 

    but hey, who cares about evidence, right?
    “More female representation” likely means more diverse. More diverse is better. All women? Not as good as more diverse.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    cincybearcat said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    Just finished Marc Bennioff’s book Trailblazer. 
    Good read and within it he states the evidence doesn’t lie that private companies with more female representation at the executive level are more profitable. Being that these are by definition “leadership” positions and they are succeeding there, it would make sense in the public sector as well IMO. 

    You can’t argue with the evidence 😎
    not to mention more employee engagement/happiness. 

    but hey, who cares about evidence, right?
    “More female representation” likely means more diverse. More diverse is better. All women? Not as good as more diverse.
    I’m 100% positive Benioff was talking about more diverse, better representation.  
    It’s really a good read, highly recommend.  Business leaders driving change. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,118
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    Just finished Marc Bennioff’s book Trailblazer. 
    Good read and within it he states the evidence doesn’t lie that private companies with more female representation at the executive level are more profitable. Being that these are by definition “leadership” positions and they are succeeding there, it would make sense in the public sector as well IMO. 

    You can’t argue with the evidence 😎
    not to mention more employee engagement/happiness. 

    but hey, who cares about evidence, right?
    Well, I have an EVP who is a woman and she is my boss’s, boss’s, boss. 
    I’ve met her a few times and she has never once asked/said my name or shown any interest in what I do. Just because a woman is a leader doesn’t make her a great leader by default. 

    But, there are many great executives in our company who are female. It’s important all organizations, including government, have the right balance.  
    majority are better. no one said by default. i actually said the exact opposite in a previous post. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,118
    cincybearcat said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    Just finished Marc Bennioff’s book Trailblazer. 
    Good read and within it he states the evidence doesn’t lie that private companies with more female representation at the executive level are more profitable. Being that these are by definition “leadership” positions and they are succeeding there, it would make sense in the public sector as well IMO. 

    You can’t argue with the evidence 😎
    not to mention more employee engagement/happiness. 

    but hey, who cares about evidence, right?
    “More female representation” likely means more diverse. More diverse is better. All women? Not as good as more diverse.
    again: I am not saying all bosses/leaders should be female. why does it so often have to be all or none around here? 
    Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer



  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    Just finished Marc Bennioff’s book Trailblazer. 
    Good read and within it he states the evidence doesn’t lie that private companies with more female representation at the executive level are more profitable. Being that these are by definition “leadership” positions and they are succeeding there, it would make sense in the public sector as well IMO. 

    You can’t argue with the evidence 😎
    not to mention more employee engagement/happiness. 

    but hey, who cares about evidence, right?
    Well, I have an EVP who is a woman and she is my boss’s, boss’s, boss. 
    I’ve met her a few times and she has never once asked/said my name or shown any interest in what I do. Just because a woman is a leader doesn’t make her a great leader by default. 

    But, there are many great executives in our company who are female. It’s important all organizations, including government, have the right balance.  
    majority are better. no one said by default. i actually said the exact opposite in a previous post. 
    Never said you did. Was making a general reply in the flow of the conversation.  Quoted you for context purposes.

  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    cincybearcat said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    Just finished Marc Bennioff’s book Trailblazer. 
    Good read and within it he states the evidence doesn’t lie that private companies with more female representation at the executive level are more profitable. Being that these are by definition “leadership” positions and they are succeeding there, it would make sense in the public sector as well IMO. 

    You can’t argue with the evidence 😎
    not to mention more employee engagement/happiness. 

    but hey, who cares about evidence, right?
    “More female representation” likely means more diverse. More diverse is better. All women? Not as good as more diverse.
    again: I am not saying all bosses/leaders should be female. why does it so often have to be all or none around here? 
     "I'm absolutely confident that for two years, if every nation on Earth was run by women, you would see a significant improvement across the board on just about everything ... living standards and outcomes."

    Quote from obama on the article being discussed. So I kinda feel like it’s ok to say obamas comment was dumb and here is why. And guess what, it was pandering and dumb.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,118
    edited December 2019
    evidence doesn't care if you think it's dumb. 
    Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer



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