When a president tries to cheat in an American election, it's against the Constitution and the Constitution provides for impeachment. There's no ambiguity about that. Souleater likes to cheat at all sorts of things. Maybe some day we'll see his tax returns...numbers don't lie.
$2BB in loans from Duetsch Bank over 2 decades. How much of that has Team Trump Treason paid back? And who co-signed?
i guarantee trump believes that Rudy can lawyer him out of 2 articles. The dems should have come out with 5 or 6. Then the conversation would be about the potential to resign without being arrested instead of trying to weasel out of only 2 articles. Dems needed to come out aggressively and let the entire world know that they are not fucking around. Trump still thinks this is a joke. He is in serious legal jeopardy but he does not believe it. If they had come out with 5 or 6 separate articles they have a better chance of one of them sticking.
leave it to the dems to mismanage a slam dunk.
Why do you think that 2/3 of the Senate would slam dunk 1 or 15 articles?
to acquit on 2 charges is nothing. happens all the time. you throw 5 or 6 articles, knowing he is guilty as hell of 2 of them, to acquit of all 5 or 6 would reek of corruption of the process. it will be a constitutional crisis that will have to be addressed.
You're using criminal logic, not political logic.
are the two articles not crimes? if not, then what the hell are the dems doing?
High crimes and misdemeanors are not necessarily criminal code crimes. For example, obstruction of congress is not in the criminal code.
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I'm no lawyer, but Inciting to Violence (Disturbing the Peace) is an actual crime (misdemeanor). TX Statute of Limitations is ticking away though. One year from Feb 12 2019.
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The man has no shame at all. He's not even aware in the slightest of what he's done wrong. I believe he's quite pathetic and without a shred of honor. Cheater, cheater, pants on fire.
Growing divide between Trump and McConnell over impeachment trial
December 10, 2019
Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell are both looking ahead to the Senate impeachment trial, but there is a growing divide between the two over what that trial should look like, CNN has learned.
In conversations with the White House, the Kentucky Republican has made clear he hopes to end the trial as soon as he can, an effort to both get impeachment off his lap and protect his conference from potentially damaging votes should the process break out into partisan warfare. That will include a continuous whip count until McConnell feels he has the votes to acquit the President and end the show. He has even floated a 10-day minimum during these talks, one person said.
But the show is exactly what Trump wants. He's made clear to advisers privately that rather than end the trial as quickly as possible, he is hoping for a dramatic event, according to two people familiar with his thinking. He wants Hunter Biden, Rep. Adam Schiff and the whistleblower to testify. He wants the witnesses to be live, not clips of taped depositions. And he's hoping to turn it into a spectacle, which he thinks is his best chance to hurt Democrats in the election.
The man has no shame at all. He's not even aware in the slightest of what he's done wrong. I believe he's quite pathetic and without a shred of honor. Cheater, cheater, pants on fire.
Growing divide between Trump and McConnell over impeachment trial
December 10, 2019
Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell are both looking ahead to the Senate impeachment trial, but there is a growing divide between the two over what that trial should look like, CNN has learned.
In conversations with the White House, the Kentucky Republican has made clear he hopes to end the trial as soon as he can, an effort to both get impeachment off his lap and protect his conference from potentially damaging votes should the process break out into partisan warfare. That will include a continuous whip count until McConnell feels he has the votes to acquit the President and end the show. He has even floated a 10-day minimum during these talks, one person said.
But the show is exactly what Trump wants. He's made clear to advisers privately that rather than end the trial as quickly as possible, he is hoping for a dramatic event, according to two people familiar with his thinking. He wants Hunter Biden, Rep. Adam Schiff and the whistleblower to testify. He wants the witnesses to be live, not clips of taped depositions. And he's hoping to turn it into a spectacle, which he thinks is his best chance to hurt Democrats in the election.
The man has no shame at all. He's not even aware in the slightest of what he's done wrong. I believe he's quite pathetic and without a shred of honor. Cheater, cheater, pants on fire.
Growing divide between Trump and McConnell over impeachment trial
December 10, 2019
Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell are both looking ahead to the Senate impeachment trial, but there is a growing divide between the two over what that trial should look like, CNN has learned.
In conversations with the White House, the Kentucky Republican has made clear he hopes to end the trial as soon as he can, an effort to both get impeachment off his lap and protect his conference from potentially damaging votes should the process break out into partisan warfare. That will include a continuous whip count until McConnell feels he has the votes to acquit the President and end the show. He has even floated a 10-day minimum during these talks, one person said.
But the show is exactly what Trump wants. He's made clear to advisers privately that rather than end the trial as quickly as possible, he is hoping for a dramatic event, according to two people familiar with his thinking. He wants Hunter Biden, Rep. Adam Schiff and the whistleblower to testify. He wants the witnesses to be live, not clips of taped depositions. And he's hoping to turn it into a spectacle, which he thinks is his best chance to hurt Democrats in the election.
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I just find it mind boggling that they can ignore these subpoenas. If I ignored a subpoena, I'd probably be arrested.
As Sciff and Nadler themselves pointed out, this is not a legal proceeding. Any subpoena issued by the House is just an invitation to appear.
So, if you ignored a house subpoena in this case, you would not be arrested (I am not advising you to ignore one. You shouldn't, but then again if you were being accused of something, you can plead the 5th anyway. This is effectively the same thing. And do you really want the President siting through something like this instead of tending to business - whether you like what he's doing or not).
That's also why Graham and McConnell have stated they will NOT subpoena Schiff and others. Because that will be a legal proceeding and would put everyone in an extremely awkward position. The Dems did something for show, and you're gobbling it up.
It's amazing how the Dems have convinced many of you that what comes out of their mouth is truth without question.
We should all remember - the accused does not have to prove their innocence. Why has that become a topic of this process?
A few points.
First - if you're going to point out Trump responding to a subpoena as a "disruption to day-to-day", I'd remind you of the ~100 tweets posted by the twat on Sunday. If you estimate 3 minutes per tweet, that's five hours of tweeting for the POTUS. If that's what you call "tending to business", then yes, I do want the President sitting through something like this. That's his right as a person who will be asked to defend himself, and clearly he's not adding value in his day-to-day.
Next - unless I'm missing something, just because a person is subpoenaed by Congress doesn't suddenly upgrade the burden of proof to 'legal grounds' from 'congressional consensus' just because you wish it would. These are the standard rules.
Finally, it's rather assumptive of you to think that many of us have been 'convinced' of truth, rather than having the ability to corroborate facts with different sources. It's also highly hypocritical when you consider the full daylight surrounding the corruption being demonstrated by Trump, and the absurd, pathetic, illogical and desperate attempts to cover them up. If we all practiced universal skepticism (that is, not just skepticism of the words of our adversaries, but also those on 'our side'), maybe we would be informed enough to deserve (or make work) a democracy.
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Moscow Mitch already telegraphing outcome of trial!
If I’m the DNC or DNCCC, I’m attaching this Photo to every repub running and running the ad early and often, right up to Election Day.
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Articles of Impeachment House Judiciary Committee debate on now... My hip boots can't even stand up to this stuff. :P I thought it was against the law to lie to Congress? Soul-eater "had no corrupt intent." Goodness gracious and good grief, I'm in bizarro world. (The language in my head was way beyond what I wrote lol) The man is the worst cheater I've ever seen in my life. He does it constantly in all kinds of things, often gets caught and still keeps on doing it! It's incredibly dumb for anyone to act like that and he should be in prison. He cheated his own charity too!!!! UGH.
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BBC Cameraman Is Attacked at Trump Rally
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/12/us/politics/bbc-cameraman-attacked.htmlI believe he's quite pathetic and without a shred of honor. Cheater, cheater, pants on fire.
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/10/politics/donald-trump-mitch-mcconnell-senate-trial-impeachment/index.html
Yeah I read that earlier, Kat. More republican grown ups in the senate than in congress, thankfully.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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First - if you're going to point out Trump responding to a subpoena as a "disruption to day-to-day", I'd remind you of the ~100 tweets posted by the twat on Sunday. If you estimate 3 minutes per tweet, that's five hours of tweeting for the POTUS. If that's what you call "tending to business", then yes, I do want the President sitting through something like this. That's his right as a person who will be asked to defend himself, and clearly he's not adding value in his day-to-day.
Next - unless I'm missing something, just because a person is subpoenaed by Congress doesn't suddenly upgrade the burden of proof to 'legal grounds' from 'congressional consensus' just because you wish it would. These are the standard rules.
Finally, it's rather assumptive of you to think that many of us have been 'convinced' of truth, rather than having the ability to corroborate facts with different sources. It's also highly hypocritical when you consider the full daylight surrounding the corruption being demonstrated by Trump, and the absurd, pathetic, illogical and desperate attempts to cover them up. If we all practiced universal skepticism (that is, not just skepticism of the words of our adversaries, but also those on 'our side'), maybe we would be informed enough to deserve (or make work) a democracy.
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Hey!
It's late. I'm trying not to laugh too loudly. I hope I didn't wake C, up. LOL
Impeachment needle not moving as majority of voters oppose removing Trump: polls
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/impeachment-needle-not-moving-as-majority-still-oppose-removing-trump-polls
not at my house. #pollsdontmatter
Pastors, worship leaders pray for Trump in Oval Office amid impeachment fight
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pastors-worship-leaders-pray-for-trump-in-oval-office-amid-impeachment-fight
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My hip boots can't even stand up to this stuff. :P I thought it was against the law to lie to Congress? Soul-eater "had no corrupt intent." Goodness gracious and good grief, I'm in bizarro world. (The language in my head was way beyond what I wrote lol)
The man is the worst cheater I've ever seen in my life. He does it constantly in all kinds of things, often gets caught and still keeps on doing it! It's incredibly dumb for anyone to act like that and he should be in prison. He cheated his own charity too!!!! UGH.