2024/2025 NBA Season October 22nd Opening Tip off! Pg 112

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  • fife said:
    fife said:
    fife said:
    23scidoo said:
    0 points for Embiid in 32 minutes..i could better..
    he seemed out of sort last night but Gasol always plays him tough.  Have to say, the raptors are very short-handed missing some very keys players and still playing damm well. 
    I have no idea what happened to Embiid last night. Of course, the other way of looking at this is the Raptors barely beat the Sixers with literally nothing out of him though....
    true, you can also say that the raptors beat the sixers while missing starters like lowery and ibaka.  as for Embid, I wrote this before, it seems to be that he is playing at the wrong position cause of simmons.  there is no reason why Embid should be shooting 3's but he is crowded out in the post cause simmons is there. 
    Simmons just needs to shoot the fucking ball and Embiid needs to get his ass to the post. Simmons attempted and made a 3 a week ago and hasn't attempted one since. If he just takes a few a game it would help with the spacing.

    All of that being said....the Sixers starting five, when they are all on the court at the same time, is one of the best in the game as far as net rating is concerned. 
    at some point brown has to tell embid that he doesn't want to see him above the post and has to tell simmons that he will be fined when he doesn't take an open shot.  Brown has not shown the ability to get these players to play better imo
    Well I think part of the reason Embiid is out there so often is because of Simmons' reluctance to shoot. Brown is a good coach but he needs to do a better job of getting him to shoot the ball. He seems to like the corner three. Run some some screens for him to get open down there. 

    Fining a guy making well over $100 million won't accomplish anything. 
    I don't think Simmons has any desire to elevate his game anymore than what it is.  Too bad he isn't like Siakm and worked on his game.  
    That's nonsense. 
    Please explain why.

    There are quite a few players that are "content" w their game and think they will be just fine without elevating it.

    Please though, do explain.
  • Can we talk Doncic for a second please.

    Everyone with these stats that he's the first to do this before this one and that needs to stop.  This guy has been playing pro ball since he was 13.

    13!!!!

    You know what Kobe was doing at 13?  Playing middleschool ball against middle school kids.

    The comparison is just dumb.  The kid is already polished from banging bodies with older, mature players.

    Dumb.

    I am also not exactly sold on him either.  He can light up any team that doesn't play Defense or plays really shitty D.

    Who played against him on Denver and Boston?  Those are the only 2 games w teams that played him tough.
    Actually, I played against Kobe in middle school when we were 13.
    He wasn't w Lower Merrion yet then?
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Can we talk Doncic for a second please.

    Everyone with these stats that he's the first to do this before this one and that needs to stop.  This guy has been playing pro ball since he was 13.

    13!!!!

    You know what Kobe was doing at 13?  Playing middleschool ball against middle school kids.

    The comparison is just dumb.  The kid is already polished from banging bodies with older, mature players.

    Dumb.

    I am also not exactly sold on him either.  He can light up any team that doesn't play Defense or plays really shitty D.

    Who played against him on Denver and Boston?  Those are the only 2 games w teams that played him tough.
    Actually, I played against Kobe in middle school when we were 13.
    He wasn't w Lower Merrion yet then?
    That would've been 1991. I believe that was 8th grade if I'm not mistaken...
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    fife said:
    fife said:
    fife said:
    23scidoo said:
    0 points for Embiid in 32 minutes..i could better..
    he seemed out of sort last night but Gasol always plays him tough.  Have to say, the raptors are very short-handed missing some very keys players and still playing damm well. 
    I have no idea what happened to Embiid last night. Of course, the other way of looking at this is the Raptors barely beat the Sixers with literally nothing out of him though....
    true, you can also say that the raptors beat the sixers while missing starters like lowery and ibaka.  as for Embid, I wrote this before, it seems to be that he is playing at the wrong position cause of simmons.  there is no reason why Embid should be shooting 3's but he is crowded out in the post cause simmons is there. 
    Simmons just needs to shoot the fucking ball and Embiid needs to get his ass to the post. Simmons attempted and made a 3 a week ago and hasn't attempted one since. If he just takes a few a game it would help with the spacing.

    All of that being said....the Sixers starting five, when they are all on the court at the same time, is one of the best in the game as far as net rating is concerned. 
    at some point brown has to tell embid that he doesn't want to see him above the post and has to tell simmons that he will be fined when he doesn't take an open shot.  Brown has not shown the ability to get these players to play better imo
    Well I think part of the reason Embiid is out there so often is because of Simmons' reluctance to shoot. Brown is a good coach but he needs to do a better job of getting him to shoot the ball. He seems to like the corner three. Run some some screens for him to get open down there. 

    Fining a guy making well over $100 million won't accomplish anything. 
    I don't think Simmons has any desire to elevate his game anymore than what it is.  Too bad he isn't like Siakm and worked on his game.  
    That's nonsense. 
    Please explain why.

    There are quite a few players that are "content" w their game and think they will be just fine without elevating it.

    Please though, do explain.
    Because it is impossible to measure someone's desire.

    By all accounts, he put in a ton of work on his game this past summer. That would lead me to believe he wants to get better. 
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  • fife said:
    fife said:
    fife said:
    23scidoo said:
    0 points for Embiid in 32 minutes..i could better..
    he seemed out of sort last night but Gasol always plays him tough.  Have to say, the raptors are very short-handed missing some very keys players and still playing damm well. 
    I have no idea what happened to Embiid last night. Of course, the other way of looking at this is the Raptors barely beat the Sixers with literally nothing out of him though....
    true, you can also say that the raptors beat the sixers while missing starters like lowery and ibaka.  as for Embid, I wrote this before, it seems to be that he is playing at the wrong position cause of simmons.  there is no reason why Embid should be shooting 3's but he is crowded out in the post cause simmons is there. 
    Simmons just needs to shoot the fucking ball and Embiid needs to get his ass to the post. Simmons attempted and made a 3 a week ago and hasn't attempted one since. If he just takes a few a game it would help with the spacing.

    All of that being said....the Sixers starting five, when they are all on the court at the same time, is one of the best in the game as far as net rating is concerned. 
    at some point brown has to tell embid that he doesn't want to see him above the post and has to tell simmons that he will be fined when he doesn't take an open shot.  Brown has not shown the ability to get these players to play better imo
    Well I think part of the reason Embiid is out there so often is because of Simmons' reluctance to shoot. Brown is a good coach but he needs to do a better job of getting him to shoot the ball. He seems to like the corner three. Run some some screens for him to get open down there. 

    Fining a guy making well over $100 million won't accomplish anything. 
    I don't think Simmons has any desire to elevate his game anymore than what it is.  Too bad he isn't like Siakm and worked on his game.  
    That's nonsense. 
    Please explain why.

    There are quite a few players that are "content" w their game and think they will be just fine without elevating it.

    Please though, do explain.
    Because it is impossible to measure someone's desire.

    By all accounts, he put in a ton of work on his game this past summer. That would lead me to believe he wants to get better. 
    I can remember when players came back and they were "better".  Simmons doesn't strike me as that player yet, sorry.

    Seeing Embiid draining 3's would leave me to believe that he worked on his outside game more than Simmons.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    fife said:
    fife said:
    fife said:
    23scidoo said:
    0 points for Embiid in 32 minutes..i could better..
    he seemed out of sort last night but Gasol always plays him tough.  Have to say, the raptors are very short-handed missing some very keys players and still playing damm well. 
    I have no idea what happened to Embiid last night. Of course, the other way of looking at this is the Raptors barely beat the Sixers with literally nothing out of him though....
    true, you can also say that the raptors beat the sixers while missing starters like lowery and ibaka.  as for Embid, I wrote this before, it seems to be that he is playing at the wrong position cause of simmons.  there is no reason why Embid should be shooting 3's but he is crowded out in the post cause simmons is there. 
    Simmons just needs to shoot the fucking ball and Embiid needs to get his ass to the post. Simmons attempted and made a 3 a week ago and hasn't attempted one since. If he just takes a few a game it would help with the spacing.

    All of that being said....the Sixers starting five, when they are all on the court at the same time, is one of the best in the game as far as net rating is concerned. 
    at some point brown has to tell embid that he doesn't want to see him above the post and has to tell simmons that he will be fined when he doesn't take an open shot.  Brown has not shown the ability to get these players to play better imo
    Well I think part of the reason Embiid is out there so often is because of Simmons' reluctance to shoot. Brown is a good coach but he needs to do a better job of getting him to shoot the ball. He seems to like the corner three. Run some some screens for him to get open down there. 

    Fining a guy making well over $100 million won't accomplish anything. 
    I don't think Simmons has any desire to elevate his game anymore than what it is.  Too bad he isn't like Siakm and worked on his game.  
    That's nonsense. 
    Please explain why.

    There are quite a few players that are "content" w their game and think they will be just fine without elevating it.

    Please though, do explain.
    Because it is impossible to measure someone's desire.

    By all accounts, he put in a ton of work on his game this past summer. That would lead me to believe he wants to get better. 
    I can remember when players came back and they were "better".  Simmons doesn't strike me as that player yet, sorry.

    Seeing Embiid draining 3's would leave me to believe that he worked on his outside game more than Simmons.
    It is a fact and, and well known one, that Simmons worked on his game quite a bit over the summer. The endless videos his coach posted are proof. That's what makes his start to the season perplexing. 

    Embiid's been draining 3's since day 1...
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  • fife said:
    fife said:
    fife said:
    23scidoo said:
    0 points for Embiid in 32 minutes..i could better..
    he seemed out of sort last night but Gasol always plays him tough.  Have to say, the raptors are very short-handed missing some very keys players and still playing damm well. 
    I have no idea what happened to Embiid last night. Of course, the other way of looking at this is the Raptors barely beat the Sixers with literally nothing out of him though....
    true, you can also say that the raptors beat the sixers while missing starters like lowery and ibaka.  as for Embid, I wrote this before, it seems to be that he is playing at the wrong position cause of simmons.  there is no reason why Embid should be shooting 3's but he is crowded out in the post cause simmons is there. 
    Simmons just needs to shoot the fucking ball and Embiid needs to get his ass to the post. Simmons attempted and made a 3 a week ago and hasn't attempted one since. If he just takes a few a game it would help with the spacing.

    All of that being said....the Sixers starting five, when they are all on the court at the same time, is one of the best in the game as far as net rating is concerned. 
    at some point brown has to tell embid that he doesn't want to see him above the post and has to tell simmons that he will be fined when he doesn't take an open shot.  Brown has not shown the ability to get these players to play better imo
    Well I think part of the reason Embiid is out there so often is because of Simmons' reluctance to shoot. Brown is a good coach but he needs to do a better job of getting him to shoot the ball. He seems to like the corner three. Run some some screens for him to get open down there. 

    Fining a guy making well over $100 million won't accomplish anything. 
    I don't think Simmons has any desire to elevate his game anymore than what it is.  Too bad he isn't like Siakm and worked on his game.  
    That's nonsense. 
    Please explain why.

    There are quite a few players that are "content" w their game and think they will be just fine without elevating it.

    Please though, do explain.
    Because it is impossible to measure someone's desire.

    By all accounts, he put in a ton of work on his game this past summer. That would lead me to believe he wants to get better. 
    I can remember when players came back and they were "better".  Simmons doesn't strike me as that player yet, sorry.

    Seeing Embiid draining 3's would leave me to believe that he worked on his outside game more than Simmons.
    It is a fact and, and well known one, that Simmons worked on his game quite a bit over the summer. The endless videos his coach posted are proof. That's what makes his start to the season perplexing. 

    Embiid's been draining 3's since day 1...
    Draining more now than last year.

    Every player "works" on their game over the summer but some others come out actually better, that's just my thing.  I expect, me, expected Simmons to be head and shoulders better than others around him and I just don't see it.

    Like I said, when a player really works at getting better it shows.  I don't see it.

    Trae Young is a player that I see got better.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    fife said:
    fife said:
    fife said:
    23scidoo said:
    0 points for Embiid in 32 minutes..i could better..
    he seemed out of sort last night but Gasol always plays him tough.  Have to say, the raptors are very short-handed missing some very keys players and still playing damm well. 
    I have no idea what happened to Embiid last night. Of course, the other way of looking at this is the Raptors barely beat the Sixers with literally nothing out of him though....
    true, you can also say that the raptors beat the sixers while missing starters like lowery and ibaka.  as for Embid, I wrote this before, it seems to be that he is playing at the wrong position cause of simmons.  there is no reason why Embid should be shooting 3's but he is crowded out in the post cause simmons is there. 
    Simmons just needs to shoot the fucking ball and Embiid needs to get his ass to the post. Simmons attempted and made a 3 a week ago and hasn't attempted one since. If he just takes a few a game it would help with the spacing.

    All of that being said....the Sixers starting five, when they are all on the court at the same time, is one of the best in the game as far as net rating is concerned. 
    at some point brown has to tell embid that he doesn't want to see him above the post and has to tell simmons that he will be fined when he doesn't take an open shot.  Brown has not shown the ability to get these players to play better imo
    Well I think part of the reason Embiid is out there so often is because of Simmons' reluctance to shoot. Brown is a good coach but he needs to do a better job of getting him to shoot the ball. He seems to like the corner three. Run some some screens for him to get open down there. 

    Fining a guy making well over $100 million won't accomplish anything. 
    I don't think Simmons has any desire to elevate his game anymore than what it is.  Too bad he isn't like Siakm and worked on his game.  
    That's nonsense. 
    Please explain why.

    There are quite a few players that are "content" w their game and think they will be just fine without elevating it.

    Please though, do explain.
    Because it is impossible to measure someone's desire.

    By all accounts, he put in a ton of work on his game this past summer. That would lead me to believe he wants to get better. 
    I can remember when players came back and they were "better".  Simmons doesn't strike me as that player yet, sorry.

    Seeing Embiid draining 3's would leave me to believe that he worked on his outside game more than Simmons.
    It is a fact and, and well known one, that Simmons worked on his game quite a bit over the summer. The endless videos his coach posted are proof. That's what makes his start to the season perplexing. 

    Embiid's been draining 3's since day 1...
    Draining more now than last year.

    Every player "works" on their game over the summer but some others come out actually better, that's just my thing.  I expect, me, expected Simmons to be head and shoulders better than others around him and I just don't see it.

    Like I said, when a player really works at getting better it shows.  I don't see it.

    Trae Young is a player that I see got better.
    Embiid is a career 31% from 3. He is shooting 32% this year. 

    Whether he is better or not was not your original argument about him not putting in the work. He did. He opted not to play for Australia in that international tourney so he could continue to work with Chris Johnson out in LA.

    Again--that's why its perplexing to a lot of people that he's still not shooting the ball. His defense is much improved, though. 
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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 20,056
    Can we talk Doncic for a second please.

    Everyone with these stats that he's the first to do this before this one and that needs to stop.  This guy has been playing pro ball since he was 13.

    13!!!!

    You know what Kobe was doing at 13?  Playing middleschool ball against middle school kids.

    The comparison is just dumb.  The kid is already polished from banging bodies with older, mature players.

    Dumb.

    I am also not exactly sold on him either.  He can light up any team that doesn't play Defense or plays really shitty D.

    Who played against him on Denver and Boston?  Those are the only 2 games w teams that played him tough.

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  • fife said:
    fife said:
    fife said:
    23scidoo said:
    0 points for Embiid in 32 minutes..i could better..
    he seemed out of sort last night but Gasol always plays him tough.  Have to say, the raptors are very short-handed missing some very keys players and still playing damm well. 
    I have no idea what happened to Embiid last night. Of course, the other way of looking at this is the Raptors barely beat the Sixers with literally nothing out of him though....
    true, you can also say that the raptors beat the sixers while missing starters like lowery and ibaka.  as for Embid, I wrote this before, it seems to be that he is playing at the wrong position cause of simmons.  there is no reason why Embid should be shooting 3's but he is crowded out in the post cause simmons is there. 
    Simmons just needs to shoot the fucking ball and Embiid needs to get his ass to the post. Simmons attempted and made a 3 a week ago and hasn't attempted one since. If he just takes a few a game it would help with the spacing.

    All of that being said....the Sixers starting five, when they are all on the court at the same time, is one of the best in the game as far as net rating is concerned. 
    at some point brown has to tell embid that he doesn't want to see him above the post and has to tell simmons that he will be fined when he doesn't take an open shot.  Brown has not shown the ability to get these players to play better imo
    Well I think part of the reason Embiid is out there so often is because of Simmons' reluctance to shoot. Brown is a good coach but he needs to do a better job of getting him to shoot the ball. He seems to like the corner three. Run some some screens for him to get open down there. 

    Fining a guy making well over $100 million won't accomplish anything. 
    I don't think Simmons has any desire to elevate his game anymore than what it is.  Too bad he isn't like Siakm and worked on his game.  
    That's nonsense. 
    Please explain why.

    There are quite a few players that are "content" w their game and think they will be just fine without elevating it.

    Please though, do explain.
    Because it is impossible to measure someone's desire.

    By all accounts, he put in a ton of work on his game this past summer. That would lead me to believe he wants to get better. 
    I can remember when players came back and they were "better".  Simmons doesn't strike me as that player yet, sorry.

    Seeing Embiid draining 3's would leave me to believe that he worked on his outside game more than Simmons.
    It is a fact and, and well known one, that Simmons worked on his game quite a bit over the summer. The endless videos his coach posted are proof. That's what makes his start to the season perplexing. 

    Embiid's been draining 3's since day 1...
    Draining more now than last year.

    Every player "works" on their game over the summer but some others come out actually better, that's just my thing.  I expect, me, expected Simmons to be head and shoulders better than others around him and I just don't see it.

    Like I said, when a player really works at getting better it shows.  I don't see it.

    Trae Young is a player that I see got better.
    Embiid is a career 31% from 3. He is shooting 32% this year. 

    Whether he is better or not was not your original argument about him not putting in the work. He did. He opted not to play for Australia in that international tourney so he could continue to work with Chris Johnson out in LA.

    Again--that's why its perplexing to a lot of people that he's still not shooting the ball. His defense is much improved, though. 
    I guess we may be in a disagreement on working out and working on your game then.

    Every player works out in the off season, they all do.  Only a select few actually work on their game though.  Do you see the difference I'm trying to make between the 2?
  • 23scidoo said:
    Can we talk Doncic for a second please.

    Everyone with these stats that he's the first to do this before this one and that needs to stop.  This guy has been playing pro ball since he was 13.

    13!!!!

    You know what Kobe was doing at 13?  Playing middleschool ball against middle school kids.

    The comparison is just dumb.  The kid is already polished from banging bodies with older, mature players.

    Dumb.

    I am also not exactly sold on him either.  He can light up any team that doesn't play Defense or plays really shitty D.

    Who played against him on Denver and Boston?  Those are the only 2 games w teams that played him tough.

    Well I guess we know that Dallas isn't winning anything this year at least...
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    fife said:
    fife said:
    fife said:
    23scidoo said:
    0 points for Embiid in 32 minutes..i could better..
    he seemed out of sort last night but Gasol always plays him tough.  Have to say, the raptors are very short-handed missing some very keys players and still playing damm well. 
    I have no idea what happened to Embiid last night. Of course, the other way of looking at this is the Raptors barely beat the Sixers with literally nothing out of him though....
    true, you can also say that the raptors beat the sixers while missing starters like lowery and ibaka.  as for Embid, I wrote this before, it seems to be that he is playing at the wrong position cause of simmons.  there is no reason why Embid should be shooting 3's but he is crowded out in the post cause simmons is there. 
    Simmons just needs to shoot the fucking ball and Embiid needs to get his ass to the post. Simmons attempted and made a 3 a week ago and hasn't attempted one since. If he just takes a few a game it would help with the spacing.

    All of that being said....the Sixers starting five, when they are all on the court at the same time, is one of the best in the game as far as net rating is concerned. 
    at some point brown has to tell embid that he doesn't want to see him above the post and has to tell simmons that he will be fined when he doesn't take an open shot.  Brown has not shown the ability to get these players to play better imo
    Well I think part of the reason Embiid is out there so often is because of Simmons' reluctance to shoot. Brown is a good coach but he needs to do a better job of getting him to shoot the ball. He seems to like the corner three. Run some some screens for him to get open down there. 

    Fining a guy making well over $100 million won't accomplish anything. 
    I don't think Simmons has any desire to elevate his game anymore than what it is.  Too bad he isn't like Siakm and worked on his game.  
    That's nonsense. 
    Please explain why.

    There are quite a few players that are "content" w their game and think they will be just fine without elevating it.

    Please though, do explain.
    Because it is impossible to measure someone's desire.

    By all accounts, he put in a ton of work on his game this past summer. That would lead me to believe he wants to get better. 
    I can remember when players came back and they were "better".  Simmons doesn't strike me as that player yet, sorry.

    Seeing Embiid draining 3's would leave me to believe that he worked on his outside game more than Simmons.
    It is a fact and, and well known one, that Simmons worked on his game quite a bit over the summer. The endless videos his coach posted are proof. That's what makes his start to the season perplexing. 

    Embiid's been draining 3's since day 1...
    Draining more now than last year.

    Every player "works" on their game over the summer but some others come out actually better, that's just my thing.  I expect, me, expected Simmons to be head and shoulders better than others around him and I just don't see it.

    Like I said, when a player really works at getting better it shows.  I don't see it.

    Trae Young is a player that I see got better.
    Embiid is a career 31% from 3. He is shooting 32% this year. 

    Whether he is better or not was not your original argument about him not putting in the work. He did. He opted not to play for Australia in that international tourney so he could continue to work with Chris Johnson out in LA.

    Again--that's why its perplexing to a lot of people that he's still not shooting the ball. His defense is much improved, though. 
    I guess we may be in a disagreement on working out and working on your game then.

    Every player works out in the off season, they all do.  Only a select few actually work on their game though.  Do you see the difference I'm trying to make between the 2?
    Oh man. He. Did. Work. On. His. Game. Extensively. 

    There’s lots of video evidence of it!! Haha  I don’t know why else to tell you. You can easily google the videos. Him and his training coach made them available to the world. That’s why people are surprised he still hasn’t shot jumpers yet. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    This right here is ridiculous. I think we can agree on this!


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  • This right here is ridiculous. I think we can agree on this!


    It looks like when you took a video camera and pointed it at the TV...

    What am I looking at?  A Rabbit hole?

    Blue pill or red?
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Looks like a MC Escher picture
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  • Looks like a MC Escher picture
    You mean Emek?
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,915
    This right here is ridiculous. I think we can agree on this!


    Yeah I'm hoping this is a temporary glitch in the matrix and not the new normal.
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    PJ I.T. is working on it. :lol:
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    Can we talk Doncic for a second please.

    Everyone with these stats that he's the first to do this before this one and that needs to stop.  This guy has been playing pro ball since he was 13.

    13!!!!

    You know what Kobe was doing at 13?  Playing middleschool ball against middle school kids.

    The comparison is just dumb.  The kid is already polished from banging bodies with older, mature players.

    Dumb.

    I am also not exactly sold on him either.  He can light up any team that doesn't play Defense or plays really shitty D.

    Who played against him on Denver and Boston?  Those are the only 2 games w teams that played him tough.
    i thought Kobe started playing ball in Italy while his dad was coaching or playing over there.
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  • JK_Livin said:
    Can we talk Doncic for a second please.

    Everyone with these stats that he's the first to do this before this one and that needs to stop.  This guy has been playing pro ball since he was 13.

    13!!!!

    You know what Kobe was doing at 13?  Playing middleschool ball against middle school kids.

    The comparison is just dumb.  The kid is already polished from banging bodies with older, mature players.

    Dumb.

    I am also not exactly sold on him either.  He can light up any team that doesn't play Defense or plays really shitty D.

    Who played against him on Denver and Boston?  Those are the only 2 games w teams that played him tough.
    i thought Kobe started playing ball in Italy while his dad was coaching or playing over there.
    He was in grade school when he was in Italy.