Black Crowes double acoustic album, tour, hiatus, **RETURN**

Speaking of CRB, how does one acquire the bonus CDs from Volume 3 without dishing out $60 for the vinyl? I would gladly buy the show from Nugs, but it's not there. Same with Raven's Reels Vol 1. I do have that one on vinyl, but this vinyl exclusive stuff is kinda annoying sometimes, with how much vinyl prices keep increasing.

That's awesome, thanks! I will message you.

I’m surprised at the overestimation from C&R on the choice of venues for this return tour , Midnight Oil was away for over 10 yrs when they came back here two yrs ago they played small venues the shows all sold really well plus having a full theater is way better than empty sections..

DewieCox said:

josevolution said:

I’m surprised at the overestimation from C&R on the choice of venues for this return tour , Midnight Oil was away for over 10 yrs when they came back here two yrs ago they played small venues the shows all sold really well plus having a full theater is way better than empty sections..

 Not their call.

Surely they must see the list of places and have to agree no? 

josevolution said:

DewieCox said:

josevolution said:

I’m surprised at the overestimation from C&R on the choice of venues for this return tour , Midnight Oil was away for over 10 yrs when they came back here two yrs ago they played small venues the shows all sold really well plus having a full theater is way better than empty sections..

 Not their call.

Surely they must see the list of places and have to agree no? 

No, it’s all live nation.
the bros have nothing to do with anything. 

hihobibo said:

willbarclay said:

josevolution said:

DewieCox said:

josevolution said:

I’m surprised at the overestimation from C&R on the choice of venues for this return tour , Midnight Oil was away for over 10 yrs when they came back here two yrs ago they played small venues the shows all sold really well plus having a full theater is way better than empty sections..

 Not their call.

Surely they must see the list of places and have to agree no? 

No, it’s all live nation.
the bros have nothing to do with anything. 

So get ready for $20 beers to make up for their loss in ticket revenue. 

You think they are going to lower beer prices to $20??

willbarclay said:

josevolution said:

DewieCox said:

josevolution said:

I’m surprised at the overestimation from C&R on the choice of venues for this return tour , Midnight Oil was away for over 10 yrs when they came back here two yrs ago they played small venues the shows all sold really well plus having a full theater is way better than empty sections..

 Not their call.

Surely they must see the list of places and have to agree no? 

No, it’s all live nation.
the bros have nothing to do with anything. 

They're not booking individual venues, but the performer has to have some input or opinion, no? Whether it was the Crowes or their other bands these guys have been playing clubs and theaters for ages now. If the promoter says they're now scheduling amphitheaters that are 5x the size or more, isn't there a conversation? If you care about the performance at all?

My local small-time promoter always tries to overcharge for shows. Unless it's a must see, I wait for the inevitable 2-for-1 sale. And for some reason, the 2-for-1 tickets don't have all the extra fees. I did that for Cheap Trick recently, and many others that I can't think of at the moment. Robert Plant didn't sell out, probably because prices were crazy high, but they didn't offer a discount on that one. Oh well.

But my point is that most bands get a flat fee no matter how many tickets are sold, and it's up to the promoter to make their money back any way that they can. This is why I don't see anything smaller than a stadium for the upcoming Crue/Def Leppard/Poison tour. 3.25 million flat fee for those 3 bands. That's a lot of tickets and beer.

willbarclay said:

pjl44 said:

willbarclay said:

josevolution said:

DewieCox said:

josevolution said:

I’m surprised at the overestimation from C&R on the choice of venues for this return tour , Midnight Oil was away for over 10 yrs when they came back here two yrs ago they played small venues the shows all sold really well plus having a full theater is way better than empty sections..

 Not their call.

Surely they must see the list of places and have to agree no? 

No, it’s all live nation.
the bros have nothing to do with anything. 

They're not booking individual venues, but the performer has to have some input or opinion, no? Whether it was the Crowes or their other bands these guys have been playing clubs and theaters for ages now. If the promoter says they're now scheduling amphitheaters that are 5x the size or more, isn't there a conversation? If you care about the performance at all?

All the brothers have to do is show up and perform. Live nation has taken over all other aspects. Even merch from what I gather.
Live Nation owns all the venues that are booked. So that’s the decision maker right there. If they don’t sell out then tickets will be almost given away. That way live nation can still make money off $20 beers, food and merch etc. 

I'm having second thoughts about whether to buy tickets to one of these shows. While I do love the Black Crowes, it's starting to smell like a smash-n-grab job.

- No prior Black Crowes musicians outside of Chris & Rich. Originally, it didn't bother me due to the revolving door of previous BC members, but 2 people will pocket the lion's share, and that share just got bigger. I think that fact is worth considering.

- Chris referred to himself as a capitalist in a recent interview. Nothing overtly wrong with that, but maybe an odd statement to make during tour promotion. It might indicate where their heads are at. 

- Chris said something about there being "no jamming" during the upcoming tour. I also found this odd. They are most definitely, first and foremost, a rock 'n' roll band. However, they've also had some jam band tendencies for most of the band's lifespan. Why hamstring the tour with an ABSOLUTELY NO JAMMING clause? It sounds like pandering to nostalgia, or perhaps a lack of confidence in performing with new band members. My biggest fear would be that they're only putting forth enough effort to mimic select studio recordings with the new lineup. 

- Live Nation seemingly has control over the brand. Now we have a dramatically different website, expensive ticket packages, SYMM anniversary trinkets, and larger venues than the Crowes could hope to fill. It's a dramatically different enterprise than it was 5 years ago. I question how interested the artists are when they are not controlling various aspects the art. 

Of course, I hope I'm wrong. 

willbarclay said:

I’m going to a show. I’d probably hit up 2-3 if there were others close by.
i don’t care about all the drama, I just want to see a rock n roll show. And Shake your money maker is straight on rock n roll.
Dont care that it’s live nation. Honestly, they are more organized than the brothers are so I’m glad someone is in charge that is capable.
tons of bands are touring for their BIG album and playing them in their entirely. 
I think Steve’s book has really got to some people’s heads. 

I am in this boat. We can argue all day what makes the Black Crowes the Black Crowes. But they are one of my bucket list bands I never thought I would have a chance to see live and now I can. I don’t care about inner band drama. I just want to see good rock n roll. What I heard on Howard Stern was good rock n roll. As long as an artist isn’t f’n children (Mikey Jackson) or beating women (Chris Brown) or some other heinous crime, leave the drama at home and go rock with your sock out. Is it a cash grab? Of course it is. Who cares. Not me. It’s not like they will be on stage making it rain. Live nation can charge what they want for beers and other things. It’s not like this is the only show they charge 20 dollars for a beer. Don’t wanna pay 20 for a beer. Don’t buy one. They are not mandatory. Everyone can do what they want and have their opinions. The lack of ticket sales is sad but if the tour doesn’t get canceled maybe it’s moved to a smaller venue or us that go get better seats. I’m just going for the music and experience. It will play out how ever it does.