America's Gun Violence
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Not hard enough. Pray harder.vaggar99 said:
i'm praying.Meltdown99 said:0 -
People here are actually arguing that a person charged with making threats against law enforcement is a responsible gun owner?
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Yes, because he didn’t actually do anything with them yet.dignin said:People here are actually arguing that a person charged with making threats against law enforcement is a responsible gun owner?
Yikes.
We generally call that “too late”.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Some are on the correct side of the argument but nothing can be done.dignin said:People here are actually arguing that a person charged with making threats against law enforcement is a responsible gun owner?
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Just more “responsible” gun owners going about their days.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/14/us/st-louis-child-homicides/index.html
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This argument feels circular and redundant. The good news is that he's in the can, the guns are out of his control, and if convicted with a felony, he'll not be able to possess again legally. I think we can all agree that's a good thing.0
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Agreed.mrussel1 said:This argument feels circular and redundant. The good news is that he's in the can, the guns are out of his control, and if convicted with a felony, he'll not be able to possess again legally. I think we can all agree that's a good thing.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
From Friday, above, to today, below.
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ICE building shot at. Didn’t see this one in the thread.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/08/14/us/ice-san-antonio-shooting.amp.html
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Hours long shootout with 6 cops shot and Fox News is highlighting the role of drugs in the shootout!
Incredible.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
rgambs said:Hours long shootout with 6 cops shot and Fox News is highlighting the role of drugs in the shootout!
Incredible.well it was a narcotics warrant mission.https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/14/multiple-police-officers-wounded-active-philadelphia-shootout-officials-say/
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I was watching FOX business to see what they thought of the stock market and the pretty lady on there was horrible. Really pandering to the audience. They really know how to turn the screws on a situation.rgambs said:Hours long shootout with 6 cops shot and Fox News is highlighting the role of drugs in the shootout!
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I have said before that a mental background check would be fine. What sucks about that is when a person does get denied for a gun because he didn't pass the psych exam will perhaps follow him for the rest of their life.Halifax2TheMax said:
I don't believe the mental health and behavioral evaluation(s) are part of the process, unless its a defense request in a potential mental illness/insanity defense. As a matter of intake? Perhaps a cursory, "have you ever harmed yourself?" "Are you suicidal?" I think anyone who stockpiles a large number of weapons and ammo, has the FBI investigate them and ends up being charged for threatening law enforcement, should be subject to a comprehensive mental health exam. Anyone purchasing a firearm should be required to attest, under threat of perjury, that they're of "sound mind and body" with a doctor's note from a primary care physician, and do so under renewal of license. Both would have an appeals process with the involvement of law enforcement, the medical community and a judge or judges.tempo_n_groove said:
I am not an expert in mental health so why on earth would I recommend or think that he should?Halifax2TheMax said:
So you answered no because you're not a mental health professional? WTF? That's why you send them to a mental health expert or a panel of them. Seems you're okay with a person who stockpiled weapons and ammunition and made online threats, inclusive of to federal law enforcement officers, resulting in arrest, and you don't think they should be subject to a mental health evaluation? Is that right?tempo_n_groove said:
No, because I'm not a psychiatrist, psychologist or mental health expert.Halifax2TheMax said:^^^^^^^^ Too many characters in the quote feature. My response:
I asked a very basic yes or no question, initially. You danced around and eventually answered. Your response is part of why nothing changes and nothing can be done. When you have the time, would you mind answering about whether the accused should undergo a mental health evaluation?
I didn't dance around shit. I flat out told you he was still a responsible gun owner. YOU danced around and kept digging and asking other questions yet I still answered the same yes.
I do believe how the law works is that a person does go to evaluation to make sure they are fit for trial and does see a behavioral expert?
Is there a part of that you want changed?
You are asking me about what the law should do and dictate but the law is already there. It sounds like you want mental health questions factored in for everyone that owns a gun? Is that what you are getting at?
Lawsuits could follow. By a person denied, person misdiagnosed, doctor misdiagnosing and so on.
Back to the case. Dude "threatened law enforcement". Did he threaten to shoot them? Then that's not responsible. Did he threaten to "beat their asses"? You could threaten law enforcement in a bunch of different ways which is why I will take the side of he was "responsible gun owner" until I hear otherwise. I'm not jumping to conclusions and look at it through the eyes of a court.
You can't be an irresponsible driver if you get drunk at a bar and take a cab home. It doesn't work like that.
We could debate this guys character all day which is what you do seem to keep concluding to. We could start profiling people and have internet watchdogs and put steroids in the Patriot Act if that would make you feel safer but I won't and don't want that.0 -
“He threatened law enforcement.” Full stop. Method or type of threat shouldn’t be determining factor of whether he’s a “responsible” gun owner. Unbelievable to me the lengths you’ll go to to defend 2A. He was being investigated for months. It wasn’t a one off of “I’ll kick their ass.”
Somebody you work with sends you an email or posts on Facebook that they’re going to kick your ass. You know they have multiple firearms. Do you feel threatened? Do you consider them a “responsible” gun owner?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I love these "what if" scenarios you keep coming up with and your blatant disregard for law.Halifax2TheMax said:“He threatened law enforcement.” Full stop. Method or type of threat shouldn’t be determining factor of whether he’s a “responsible” gun owner. Unbelievable to me the lengths you’ll go to to defend 2A. He was being investigated for months. It wasn’t a one off of “I’ll kick their ass.”
Somebody you work with sends you an email or posts on Facebook that they’re going to kick your ass. You know they have multiple firearms. Do you feel threatened? Do you consider them a “responsible” gun owner?
I'll defend anything I think is bullshit and you keep spinning things which I will call bullshit, sorry not sorry.
What about this scenario? C'mon man. Go ahead, I'm ready for the next one because I am not answering this one, it's too much...0 -
What’s too much is that you think someone making threats and stockpiles weapons and ammo, resulting in arrest and felony charges, is a “responsible” gun owner. Your logic and that of others who agree with you is why nothing changes.tempo_n_groove said:
I love these "what if" scenarios you keep coming up with and your blatant disregard for law.Halifax2TheMax said:“He threatened law enforcement.” Full stop. Method or type of threat shouldn’t be determining factor of whether he’s a “responsible” gun owner. Unbelievable to me the lengths you’ll go to to defend 2A. He was being investigated for months. It wasn’t a one off of “I’ll kick their ass.”
Somebody you work with sends you an email or posts on Facebook that they’re going to kick your ass. You know they have multiple firearms. Do you feel threatened? Do you consider them a “responsible” gun owner?
I'll defend anything I think is bullshit and you keep spinning things which I will call bullshit, sorry not sorry.
What about this scenario? C'mon man. Go ahead, I'm ready for the next one because I am not answering this one, it's too much...
We can agree to disagree and that’s fine not fine. Still ain’t personal though.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I'm a "fringe" for certain things, I understand this.Halifax2TheMax said:
What’s too much is that you think someone making threats and stockpiles weapons and ammo, resulting in arrest and felony charges, is a “responsible” gun owner. Your logic and that of others who agree with you is why nothing changes.tempo_n_groove said:
I love these "what if" scenarios you keep coming up with and your blatant disregard for law.Halifax2TheMax said:“He threatened law enforcement.” Full stop. Method or type of threat shouldn’t be determining factor of whether he’s a “responsible” gun owner. Unbelievable to me the lengths you’ll go to to defend 2A. He was being investigated for months. It wasn’t a one off of “I’ll kick their ass.”
Somebody you work with sends you an email or posts on Facebook that they’re going to kick your ass. You know they have multiple firearms. Do you feel threatened? Do you consider them a “responsible” gun owner?
I'll defend anything I think is bullshit and you keep spinning things which I will call bullshit, sorry not sorry.
What about this scenario? C'mon man. Go ahead, I'm ready for the next one because I am not answering this one, it's too much...
We can agree to disagree and that’s fine not fine. Still ain’t personal though.
Stockpiling ammo thing is a joke. It really is. Having 10,000 rounds is not that. 1,000,000 perhaps but not 10,000.
When I shot competitively, and I have mentioned this to you before, I shot on average 5 days a week using 200-300 rounds each day. That's over 1000 rounds a week. Buying 1000 rounds at a time is good but buying 10-40,000 rounds is much cheaper.0 -
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