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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,834
    The Juggler said:
    I'm less confident about these democrats' chances than I was a month ago. 
    I’m more concerned. 

    Mostly because

    1) I now think Biden is a terrible candidate. Never liked the guy but thought he could win. He seems tired and like he doesn’t want to be there.
    2) Dems keep moving left, which is away from me and moderates. So even if they win, I’m not going to like the result.
    3) it seems like it’s a Biden/Sanders/Warren race at the moment at that is about as bad as it could get for me.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,297
    Looking at it from the glass is half full perspective the republican field looked like a bunch of idiots with Trump being the biggest idiot of all and he ended up POTUS.  

    So who is the biggest idiot in the field that could be our next leader?  
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited August 2019
    Jason P said:
    Looking at it from the glass is half full perspective the republican field looked like a bunch of idiots with Trump being the biggest idiot of all and he ended up POTUS.  

    So who is the biggest idiot in the field that could be our next leader?  
    Williamson. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,856
    mcgruff10 said:
    Pretty crazy to think:
    While Trump’s $267 billion is bad, the Democrats’ plans are worse. We counted $297 billion proposed by Biden, $690 billion from Buttigieg, $3.8 trillion from Warren, $4 trillion from Sanders and $4.3 trillion from Harris. That would double what the entire federal government spends now.
    https://townhall.com/columnists/johnstossel/2019/07/31/free-stuff-n2550923?fbclid=IwAR2mDPL1ppxW1SxG5wCKCP46VVRPdlJcrnluYyr6jAnXOMZSFe1IlX6mhD4

    Here's the video just in case you don't feel like reading today:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5odA8Gsmzs


    Its actually even trickier than the wonky debates this week.

    MFA is not free and will not include massive govt spending or an enormous tax 

    The trick is converting a sizable portion of the economy, what employers pay for healthcare, directly  to worker salaries salaries. Pay us instead of our insurers.

    If Bernie or Liz could do that, and then account for the lowering of the actual cost to provide care, the impact on our taxes would be minimal in theory 

    The reason I love Bernie but dont support him is he has done a terrible job communicating this.  Too many Americans have a false perception on cost and I'll blame bernie for that because he has been talking about MFA healthcare the longest.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited August 2019

    Michael Moore making the case that being afraid of a progressive candidate due to losing moderates is bullshit.


    "the working class are women, the working class are people of color, the working class are young people"


    https://youtu.be/JWqGY5T8mTA
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    Michael Moore making the case that being afraid of a progressive candidate due to losing moderates is bullshit.


    "the working class are women, the working class are people of color, the working class are young people"


    https://youtu.be/JWqGY5T8mTA
    And yet he thinks Michelle Obama is the the candidate to beat Trump.  She's hardly a progressive.  Strange,  don't you think?
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,146
    Michael Moore and Bernie can go pound sand in that the very people they profess to care about, “working class,” overwhelmingly vote against their self interest by voting repub, the exception being African Americans, and more recently Hispanics. They need to convince those folks to stop voting against their own interests. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Michael Moore and Bernie can go pound sand in that the very people they profess to care about, “working class,” overwhelmingly vote against their self interest by voting repub, the exception being African Americans, and more recently Hispanics. They need to convince those folks to stop voting against their own interests. 
    Watch the clip. Michael Moore brings this up.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited August 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    Michael Moore making the case that being afraid of a progressive candidate due to losing moderates is bullshit.


    "the working class are women, the working class are people of color, the working class are young people"


    https://youtu.be/JWqGY5T8mTA
    And yet he thinks Michelle Obama is the the candidate to beat Trump.  She's hardly a progressive.  Strange,  don't you think?
    What is the point you're trying to make, Madame Web?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,834
    Why does anyone listen to Michael Moore?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,146
    cincybearcat said:
    Why does anyone listen to Michael Moore?
    I don’t. But his 15 minutes have been up for a long time now.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited August 2019
    cincybearcat said:
    Why does anyone listen to Michael Moore?
    He was right on the money about Trump winning. Were you?
    he is also right on the money about the US not being the best country in the world. Are you?
    He also thinks Riot Act is the best album. Do you?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    Michael Moore making the case that being afraid of a progressive candidate due to losing moderates is bullshit.


    "the working class are women, the working class are people of color, the working class are young people"


    https://youtu.be/JWqGY5T8mTA
    And yet he thinks Michelle Obama is the the candidate to beat Trump.  She's hardly a progressive.  Strange,  don't you think?
    What is the point you're trying to make, Madame Web?
    Consistent logic must escape you if you don't follow the point.  
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Why does anyone listen to Michael Moore?
    I don’t. But his 15 minutes have been up for a long time now.
    Yeah he’s been pretty irrelevant since after Bowling For Columbine.....which I didn’t care for. Figured it was going to be about bowling....like Kingpin. 
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    cincybearcat said:
    The Juggler said:
    I'm less confident about these democrats' chances than I was a month ago. 
    I’m more concerned. 

    Mostly because

    1) I now think Biden is a terrible candidate. Never liked the guy but thought he could win. He seems tired and like he doesn’t want to be there.
    2) Dems keep moving left, which is away from me and moderates. So even if they win, I’m not going to like the result.
    3) it seems like it’s a Biden/Sanders/Warren race at the moment at that is about as bad as it could get for me.
    I cringed a few times when he was stuttering....and I'm surprised I didn't see more attacks on twitter related to that.

    I still think Biden has the best shot at tRump.
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    Gern Blansten said:
    cincybearcat said:
    The Juggler said:
    I'm less confident about these democrats' chances than I was a month ago. 
    I’m more concerned. 

    Mostly because

    1) I now think Biden is a terrible candidate. Never liked the guy but thought he could win. He seems tired and like he doesn’t want to be there.
    2) Dems keep moving left, which is away from me and moderates. So even if they win, I’m not going to like the result.
    3) it seems like it’s a Biden/Sanders/Warren race at the moment at that is about as bad as it could get for me.
    I cringed a few times when he was stuttering....and I'm surprised I didn't see more attacks on twitter related to that.

    I still think Biden has the best shot at tRump.
    And yet as cringy as it got at times, I still still thought he was better than last time. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    Michael Moore making the case that being afraid of a progressive candidate due to losing moderates is bullshit.


    "the working class are women, the working class are people of color, the working class are young people"


    https://youtu.be/JWqGY5T8mTA
    And yet he thinks Michelle Obama is the the candidate to beat Trump.  She's hardly a progressive.  Strange,  don't you think?
    What is the point you're trying to make, Madame Web?
    Consistent logic must escape you if you don't follow the point.  
    Right, right ... I keep forgetting about that snarky attitude of yours. 

    Sorry for asking. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    Gern Blansten said:
    cincybearcat said:
    The Juggler said:
    I'm less confident about these democrats' chances than I was a month ago. 
    I’m more concerned. 

    Mostly because

    1) I now think Biden is a terrible candidate. Never liked the guy but thought he could win. He seems tired and like he doesn’t want to be there.
    2) Dems keep moving left, which is away from me and moderates. So even if they win, I’m not going to like the result.
    3) it seems like it’s a Biden/Sanders/Warren race at the moment at that is about as bad as it could get for me.
    I cringed a few times when he was stuttering....and I'm surprised I didn't see more attacks on twitter related to that.

    I still think Biden has the best shot at tRump.

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,809
    Jason P said:
    Looking at it from the glass is half full perspective the republican field looked like a bunch of idiots with Trump being the biggest idiot of all and he ended up POTUS.  

    So who is the biggest idiot in the field that could be our next leader?  
    Tie between Old Yelly Bernie and Old Yelly Elizabeth 
    Just typing that makes me feel like I need to go and yell at or talk over someone trying to make their own point.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    The more I read and watch the more I realize that all the dem candidates are pretty damn shitty.  Where is the next Obama?  A country of 300 million plus and this is the best we have?  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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