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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,011
    josevolution said:
    So pulling out of deal means Israel can have free reign !
    yes. free reign to retaliate for attacks that were in response to israel's initial attacks. it is like punching someone, getting punched back and complaining about it, and then punching back saying you are retaliating for the time you got punched for no reason.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,541
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    josevolution said:
    So pulling out of deal means Israel can have free reign !
    yes. free reign to retaliate for attacks that were in response to israel's initial attacks. it is like punching someone, getting punched back and complaining about it, and then punching back saying you are retaliating for the time you got punched for no reason.
    Exactly this administration has basically given them carte Blanche and we sit here wondering why we are despised by most of the Muslim world ..
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  • mickeyrat
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      https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/closing-deal-iran-jcpoa-180512115208725.html

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  • i_lov_it
    i_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    mickeyrat said:
      https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/closing-deal-iran-jcpoa-180512115208725.html

    What are you trying to say with this " "mickeyrat" "???

  • mickeyrat
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    i_lov_it said:
    mickeyrat said:
      https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/closing-deal-iran-jcpoa-180512115208725.html

    What are you trying to say with this " "mickeyrat" "???

    that its an opinion piece worth reading?
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  • mrussel1
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    mickeyrat said:
    i_lov_it said:
    mickeyrat said:
      https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/closing-deal-iran-jcpoa-180512115208725.html

    What are you trying to say with this " "mickeyrat" "???

    that its an opinion piece worth reading?
    It was interesting and I agree with the general point about the admin's strategy being questionable.  They would probably argue, internally, that killing the deal sends a message to NK that a similar deal won't be struck with them.  But of course NK is much further along in the process and can actually deploy a nuclear warhead, whereas Iran cannot.  NK is probably playing to influence China, in particular, and showing that they are starting from a position of good faith.  They released some prisoners (and Trump thanks them, like it was okay to take them to start.. WTF).  It would not surprise me that NK has no intention of signing any deal of any significance, and can point to Trump's destruction of the Iran deal as evidence why.  Further, Trump also raised the bar for himself on two fronts.. 1. the deal has to be better than JCPOA and 2. It has to get Senate ratification.  Trump not honoring Obama's signature means NK cannot trust Trump's.  
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,655
    edited May 2018


    Maverick cleric’s election upset could rattle U.S.-Iraq relations



    Since I don't support the USA's position in the region, this doesn't sound so bad to me... At least he's not a complete religious fanatic.
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  • catefrances
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    catefrances said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Boeing and Airbus lost $39 billion worth of business due to Team Trump Treason reneging on the Iran deal. How many of Boeing’s employees vote?

    in all due respect, who gives a fuck? its not about peoples jobs.. nor should itever be. its about peace. unfortunately in this case, peace is propoganda.  the US govt doesnt give a fuck about 'the people' or peace.  and especially in the middle east. if they did theyd stop supporting the apartheid govt of israel. 
    Oh but it is about people’s jobs, particularly in defense industries. I just happen to care more about civilian related jobs, passenger jets, rather than defense related jobs, fighter jets and related munitions. But that’s just me.
     we shall just have to agree to disagree. :)  
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Actions have consequences. What’s Tough guy Team Trump Treason going to do now and what might the very honorable Un be thinking? Try to square that.

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Team Trump Treason going to use his gut in negotiations? Has he had poutine?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Russia and China actively working to salvage the deal. No condemnation of Russia by Team Trump Treason. Why is that?
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  • mickeyrat
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Russia and China actively working to salvage the deal. No condemnation of Russia by Team Trump Treason. Why is that?
    europe too.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Ronny rayguns had no issues. In violation of Congress. Oh Ollie our, lonely eyes Fawn for you.

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Now that’s the way to bring peace and stability to the Middle East. Way to go John Boy!

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  • mickeyrat
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    Franken podcast with one of the framers of the deal, former Sec of Energy Ernest Moniz....
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mickeyrat said:
    Franken podcast with one of the framers of the deal, former Sec of Energy Ernest Moniz....
    You mean really smart people put the Iran Nuclear Deal together? The one our closest ally, Britain, is trying to salvage?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    The Team Trump Treason Administration going to rally the UN to authorize a strike on Iran. You mean that same UN that the previous national Security advisor John Boy Bolton said didn’t exist and if you removed ten floors of the UN headquarters in NYC, it wouldn’t make a difference? That UN? Good luck Saudi. Fight your own wars. And if you’re a us service member, you following Team Trump Treason or Putin on the ritz into battle?
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  • mrussel1
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Team Trump Treason Administration going to rally the UN to authorize a strike on Iran. You mean that same UN that the previous national Security advisor John Boy Bolton said didn’t exist and if you removed ten floors of the UN headquarters in NYC, it wouldn’t make a difference? That UN? Good luck Saudi. Fight your own wars. And if you’re a us service member, you following Team Trump Treason or Putin on the ritz into battle?
    Fuck SA.  Let the fields burn
  • dignin
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    Nathan Eckert and Bob Sheffer

    This War Will Destabilize The Entire Mideast Region And Set Off A Global Shockwave Of Anti-Americanism


    Nathan Eckert

    George W. Bush may think that a war against Iraq is the solution to our problems, but the reality is, it will only serve to create far more.

    This war will not put an end to anti-Americanism; it will fan the flames of hatred even higher. It will not end the threat of weapons of mass destruction; it will make possible their further proliferation. And it will not lay the groundwork for the flourishing of democracy throughout the Mideast; it will harden the resolve of Arab states to drive out all Western (i.e. U.S.) influence.

    If you thought Osama bin Laden was bad, just wait until the countless children who become orphaned by U.S. bombs in the coming weeks are all grown up. Do you think they will forget what country dropped the bombs that killed their parents? In 10 or 15 years, we will look back fondly on the days when there were only a few thousand Middle Easterners dedicated to destroying the U.S. and willing to die for the fundamentalist cause. From this war, a million bin Ladens will bloom.

    And what exactly is our endgame here? Do we really believe that we can install Gen. Tommy Franks as the ruler of Iraq? Is our arrogance and hubris so great that we actually believe that a U.S. provisional military regime will be welcomed with open arms by the Iraqi people? Democracy cannot possibly thrive under coercion. To take over a country and impose one’s own system of government without regard for the people of that country is the very antithesis of democracy. And it is doomed to fail.

    A war against Iraq is not only morally wrong, it will be an unmitigated disaster.

    No It Won’t


    Bob Sheffer

    No it won’t.

    It just won’t. None of that will happen.

    You’re getting worked up over nothing. Everything is going to be fine. So just relax, okay? You’re really overreacting.

    “This war will not put an end to anti-Americanism; it will fan the flames of hatred even higher”?

    It won’t.

    “It will harden the resolve of Arab states to drive out all Western (i.e. U.S.) influence”?

    Not really.

    “A war against Iraq is not only morally wrong, it will be an unmitigated disaster”?

    Sorry, no, I disagree.

    “To take over a country and impose one’s own system of government without regard for the people of that country is the very antithesis of democracy”?

    You are completely wrong.

    Trust me, it’s all going to work out perfect. Nothing bad is going to happen. It’s all under control.

    Why do you keep saying these things? I can tell when there’s trouble looming, and I really don’t sense that right now. We’re in control of this situation, and we know what we’re doing. So stop being so pessimistic.

    Look, you’ve been proven wrong, so stop talking. You’ve had your say already. Be quiet, okay? Everything’s fine.

    You’re wrong.



    https://www.theonion.com/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entire-mideast-region-and-1819594296

  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    So General Soleimani, was wandering around the embassy having a good old time, but is now wandering around heaven collecting all his virgins.  What a great day it is.  Why so many virgins?  1 for each body part that he lost.
    And why so many of you people stand with the Islamic revolutionary guard more than the United States,, more than all the people this ideology has murdered, and more than the citizenry of Iran.
    Wow.  What an amazing Bunch this is here.
    These people over there don't give a s*** if you bomb a tent somewhere and hit a camel in the ass, or blow up an aspirin factory.  But when you chop one of the heads of the snake off.  Oh it's a great day indeed.  It's going to be a great year.

    https://dailycaller.com/2020/01/03/rose-mcgowan-iran-qasem-soleimani/
    This lady should go to LAX, probably not many direct flights to Tehran, might need to layover in Ankara or somewhere, find the most convienent way to fly to Tehran, and have a good time.  Nothing keeping her ln Beverly Hills Country.
    Amazing.

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