Iran Deal, the reset..... and halt

josevolution · January 2018

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

The deal bought the regime some time but hopefully under this administration their time will run out.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/29/iranian-police-disperse-anti-government-protests

"Rouhani’s leading achievement, a 2015 deal with world powers that curbed Iran’s disputed nuclear programme in return for the lifting of most international sanctions, has yet to bring the broad economic benefits the government says are coming."

So more Western instituted regime change? It's worked so well so why stop now?

Agreed.

https://twitter.com/statedeptspox/status/946886912446488583

Unless you like the current regime...

The current regime isn't bothering me right now. They don't appear to be a global threat that needs to be dealt with militarily. So why kill a bunch of innocent men, women and children (and/or our own troops) when sanctions plus JPOA seems to be keeping them in check?

This isn’t about you. This is about the Iranian people wanting freedom from tyranny. You should want to support them in any way you can instead of funding their oppressors. If the bullets go off tomorrow know that they were bought and paid for by Obama’s precious deal.

Sort of what the Palestinians are going thru aren’t they under thumb of Israel, so yeah I agree let people have their freedoms & human rights

mrussel1 · January 2018

The conservative wisdom from Daniel Larison re: Iran..

The smartest thing that the Trump administration could do in response to the protests in Iran is nothing, so of course Trump can’t shut up about it:

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Trump’s comments can’t do the protesters any good, and will almost certainly be used against them, but that doesn’t fully capture how stupid they are. The striking thing about the president’s latest outburst is how disconnected it is from administration policy except for the usual denunciation of the nuclear deal. Trump wants to keep Iranians from coming to the U.S., so it really doesn’t matter to him if they are “hungry” for freedom. If an Iranian dissident wanted to come to the U.S. right now, he would not be allowed in under Trump’s ridiculous travel ban solely because of his nationality. Trump would like to scrap the nuclear deal and put additional economic pressure on Iran until they make much larger concessions. This is an unrealistic and misguided goal, but it is also completely at odds with any concern for the well-being of the Iranian people, who have suffered for years under sanctions and would bear the extra burden that additional sanctions would impose.

Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission. It isn’t possible to show unremitting hostility to Iran at every turn without inflicting harm on the people of Iran, and Trump’s policies prove that. There is nothing that Trump and his hard-liners can say now that will change this. It is fitting that the hard-line policies that are supposed to bolster U.S. “leadership” and “credibility” in the world are so often the reason why the rest of the world doesn’t believe American leaders and can’t take what they say seriously.

rgambs · January 2018

No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.

mickeyrat · January 2018

good read here.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/protests-erupt-iran-180101142214891.html

BS44325 · January 2018

rgambs said:

No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.

I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

And Sharansky is no Trump fan.

Halifax2TheMax · January 2018

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.

I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

And Sharansky is no Trump fan.

But but but Bibi said they’d have a bomb in less than a year, that it was grave! But but but?

mrussel1 · January 2018

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.

I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

And Sharansky is no Trump fan.

Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission

BS44325 · January 2018

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.

I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

And Sharansky is no Trump fan.

Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission

Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.

rgambs · January 2018

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.

I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

And Sharansky is no Trump fan.

Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission

Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.

Trump should hire you, you always find a way to give his blunders and ignorance a positive spin.
Of course, everything you say is laughable bullshit, but it's sure better than anything Sanders is able to conjure.

We are talking about the guy who literally can't read an entire policy brief, the guy who was so ignorant on world affairs that his staff had to set up a special training session full of charts and graphs and with his name peppered throughout so that they could hold his attention.
But, no, I'm sure that's all part of his master plan and you'll explain it to us afterwards.

BS44325 · January 2018

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.

I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

And Sharansky is no Trump fan.

Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission

Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.

Trump should hire you, you always find a way to give his blunders and ignorance a positive spin.
Of course, everything you say is laughable bullshit, but it's sure better than anything Sanders is able to conjure.

We are talking about the guy who literally can't read an entire policy brief, the guy who was so ignorant on world affairs that his staff had to set up a special training session full of charts and graphs and with his name peppered throughout so that they could hold his attention.
But, no, I'm sure that's all part of his master plan and you'll explain it to us afterwards.

Yes...he’s a total moron who accidentally keeps accomplishing most of his agenda while at the same time he is a cunning hitlarian genius who masterfully colluded with Russia to steal the election. At some point you’ll all have to square that circle. Two sides of the same coin?

Halifax2TheMax · January 2018

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.

I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

And Sharansky is no Trump fan.

Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission

Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.

It’s about cheaper eggs. Hate to break it to you. You really should travel to Tehran and talk “to the street.”

rgambs · January 2018

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.

I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

And Sharansky is no Trump fan.

Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission

Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.

Trump should hire you, you always find a way to give his blunders and ignorance a positive spin.
Of course, everything you say is laughable bullshit, but it's sure better than anything Sanders is able to conjure.

We are talking about the guy who literally can't read an entire policy brief, the guy who was so ignorant on world affairs that his staff had to set up a special training session full of charts and graphs and with his name peppered throughout so that they could hold his attention.
But, no, I'm sure that's all part of his master plan and you'll explain it to us afterwards.

Yes...he’s a total moron who accidentally keeps accomplishing most of his agenda while at the same time he is a cunning hitlarian genius who masterfully colluded with Russia to steal the election. At some point you’ll all have to square that circle. Two sides of the same coin?

He hasn't accomplished shit and everyone knows it, you can parrot Hannity all day but it won't make either of you right.
I don't believe he's done anything in his life masterfully, aside from convincing other idiots that he's not one of them. I don't think the collusion stole the election, I do think it's a great toehold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he's been doing for the Russian mob.

BS44325 · January 2018

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.

I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

And Sharansky is no Trump fan.

Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission

Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.

Trump should hire you, you always find a way to give his blunders and ignorance a positive spin.
Of course, everything you say is laughable bullshit, but it's sure better than anything Sanders is able to conjure.

We are talking about the guy who literally can't read an entire policy brief, the guy who was so ignorant on world affairs that his staff had to set up a special training session full of charts and graphs and with his name peppered throughout so that they could hold his attention.
But, no, I'm sure that's all part of his master plan and you'll explain it to us afterwards.

Yes...he’s a total moron who accidentally keeps accomplishing most of his agenda while at the same time he is a cunning hitlarian genius who masterfully colluded with Russia to steal the election. At some point you’ll all have to square that circle. Two sides of the same coin?

He hasn't accomplished shit and everyone knows it, you can parrot Hannity all day but it won't make either of you right.
I don't believe he's done anything in his life masterfully, aside from convincing other idiots that he's not one of them. I don't think the collusion stole the election, I do think it's a great toehold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he's been doing for the Russian mob.

Ha. The special prosecutor is a “great toe hold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he has been doing for the Russian mob”. Where do you come up with that crap? Steve Bannon? But you’re the sane one parroting nobodies talking points. Also I’m glad you admit why you want the special prosecutor in place. It isn’t about “collusion” but a totally different crime that he wasn’t even appointed to investigate. You pretty much confirm the belief by some that this is nothing more then a witch hunt. You’re trying to reverse an election you lost via other means. What a patriot!

Halifax2TheMax · January 2018

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.

I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

And Sharansky is no Trump fan.

Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission

Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.

Trump should hire you, you always find a way to give his blunders and ignorance a positive spin.
Of course, everything you say is laughable bullshit, but it's sure better than anything Sanders is able to conjure.

We are talking about the guy who literally can't read an entire policy brief, the guy who was so ignorant on world affairs that his staff had to set up a special training session full of charts and graphs and with his name peppered throughout so that they could hold his attention.
But, no, I'm sure that's all part of his master plan and you'll explain it to us afterwards.

Yes...he’s a total moron who accidentally keeps accomplishing most of his agenda while at the same time he is a cunning hitlarian genius who masterfully colluded with Russia to steal the election. At some point you’ll all have to square that circle. Two sides of the same coin?

He hasn't accomplished shit and everyone knows it, you can parrot Hannity all day but it won't make either of you right.
I don't believe he's done anything in his life masterfully, aside from convincing other idiots that he's not one of them. I don't think the collusion stole the election, I do think it's a great toehold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he's been doing for the Russian mob.

Ha. The special prosecutor is a “great toe hold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he has been doing for the Russian mob”. Where do you come up with that crap? Steve Bannon? But you’re the sane one parroting nobodies talking points. Also I’m glad you admit why you want the special prosecutor in place. It isn’t about “collusion” but a totally different crime that he wasn’t even appointed to investigate. You pretty much confirm the belief by some that this is nothing more then a witch hunt. You’re trying to reverse an election you lost via other means. What a patriot!

You should read Team Muller’s Mandate. It’s far reaching and all encompassing. I guess only Hillary Clinton has to follow the letter of the law. Your hypocrisy is stinking, Professor.

rgambs · January 2018

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.

I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

And Sharansky is no Trump fan.

Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission

Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.

Trump should hire you, you always find a way to give his blunders and ignorance a positive spin.
Of course, everything you say is laughable bullshit, but it's sure better than anything Sanders is able to conjure.

We are talking about the guy who literally can't read an entire policy brief, the guy who was so ignorant on world affairs that his staff had to set up a special training session full of charts and graphs and with his name peppered throughout so that they could hold his attention.
But, no, I'm sure that's all part of his master plan and you'll explain it to us afterwards.

Yes...he’s a total moron who accidentally keeps accomplishing most of his agenda while at the same time he is a cunning hitlarian genius who masterfully colluded with Russia to steal the election. At some point you’ll all have to square that circle. Two sides of the same coin?

He hasn't accomplished shit and everyone knows it, you can parrot Hannity all day but it won't make either of you right.
I don't believe he's done anything in his life masterfully, aside from convincing other idiots that he's not one of them. I don't think the collusion stole the election, I do think it's a great toehold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he's been doing for the Russian mob.

Ha. The special prosecutor is a “great toe hold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he has been doing for the Russian mob”. Where do you come up with that crap? Steve Bannon? But you’re the sane one parroting nobodies talking points. Also I’m glad you admit why you want the special prosecutor in place. It isn’t about “collusion” but a totally different crime that he wasn’t even appointed to investigate. You pretty much confirm the belief by some that this is nothing more then a witch hunt. You’re trying to reverse an election you lost via other means. What a patriot!

You are putting too many words in my mouth. The toehold comment (I wasn't clear so not really your fault) was about where it will end, not where or why it began.
It is no witch hunt, even Hannity knows that!

BS44325 · January 2018

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.

I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

And Sharansky is no Trump fan.

Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission

Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.

Trump should hire you, you always find a way to give his blunders and ignorance a positive spin.
Of course, everything you say is laughable bullshit, but it's sure better than anything Sanders is able to conjure.

We are talking about the guy who literally can't read an entire policy brief, the guy who was so ignorant on world affairs that his staff had to set up a special training session full of charts and graphs and with his name peppered throughout so that they could hold his attention.
But, no, I'm sure that's all part of his master plan and you'll explain it to us afterwards.

Yes...he’s a total moron who accidentally keeps accomplishing most of his agenda while at the same time he is a cunning hitlarian genius who masterfully colluded with Russia to steal the election. At some point you’ll all have to square that circle. Two sides of the same coin?

He hasn't accomplished shit and everyone knows it, you can parrot Hannity all day but it won't make either of you right.
I don't believe he's done anything in his life masterfully, aside from convincing other idiots that he's not one of them. I don't think the collusion stole the election, I do think it's a great toehold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he's been doing for the Russian mob.

Ha. The special prosecutor is a “great toe hold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he has been doing for the Russian mob”. Where do you come up with that crap? Steve Bannon? But you’re the sane one parroting nobodies talking points. Also I’m glad you admit why you want the special prosecutor in place. It isn’t about “collusion” but a totally different crime that he wasn’t even appointed to investigate. You pretty much confirm the belief by some that this is nothing more then a witch hunt. You’re trying to reverse an election you lost via other means. What a patriot!

You should read Team Muller’s Mandate. It’s far reaching and all encompassing. I guess only Hillary Clinton has to follow the letter of the law. Your hypocrisy is stinking, Professor.

Oh I get that it is wide ranging but still appreciate your admission that you just want a hunt for a crime. If it was a cop on the street you would be disgusted by that type of approach but as long as the investigators are pointing at Trump then it’s game on!

mickeyrat · January 2018

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.

I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

And Sharansky is no Trump fan.

Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission

Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.

what position is that exactly? Hmm? Far as I can tell his nly position is that the deal was bad for us and that Iran got away with murder as it were. other than that, I havent seen anything that suggests an actual belief about much of anything other than his own self-determined greatness.

mickeyrat · January 2018

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.

I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

And Sharansky is no Trump fan.

Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission

Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.

Trump should hire you, you always find a way to give his blunders and ignorance a positive spin.
Of course, everything you say is laughable bullshit, but it's sure better than anything Sanders is able to conjure.

We are talking about the guy who literally can't read an entire policy brief, the guy who was so ignorant on world affairs that his staff had to set up a special training session full of charts and graphs and with his name peppered throughout so that they could hold his attention.
But, no, I'm sure that's all part of his master plan and you'll explain it to us afterwards.

Yes...he’s a total moron who accidentally keeps accomplishing most of his agenda while at the same time he is a cunning hitlarian genius who masterfully colluded with Russia to steal the election. At some point you’ll all have to square that circle. Two sides of the same coin?

He hasn't accomplished shit and everyone knows it, you can parrot Hannity all day but it won't make either of you right.
I don't believe he's done anything in his life masterfully, aside from convincing other idiots that he's not one of them. I don't think the collusion stole the election, I do think it's a great toehold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he's been doing for the Russian mob.

Ha. The special prosecutor is a “great toe hold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he has been doing for the Russian mob”. Where do you come up with that crap? Steve Bannon? But you’re the sane one parroting nobodies talking points. Also I’m glad you admit why you want the special prosecutor in place. It isn’t about “collusion” but a totally different crime that he wasn’t even appointed to investigate. You pretty much confirm the belief by some that this is nothing more then a witch hunt. You’re trying to reverse an election you lost via other means. What a patriot!

link contains the letter making the appointment of Sp Pros. Look at section b and all 3 subsections......

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/05/17/us/politics/document-Robert-Mueller-Special-Counsel-Russia.html

Halifax2TheMax · January 2018

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.

I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

And Sharansky is no Trump fan.

Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission

Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.

Trump should hire you, you always find a way to give his blunders and ignorance a positive spin.
Of course, everything you say is laughable bullshit, but it's sure better than anything Sanders is able to conjure.

We are talking about the guy who literally can't read an entire policy brief, the guy who was so ignorant on world affairs that his staff had to set up a special training session full of charts and graphs and with his name peppered throughout so that they could hold his attention.
But, no, I'm sure that's all part of his master plan and you'll explain it to us afterwards.

Yes...he’s a total moron who accidentally keeps accomplishing most of his agenda while at the same time he is a cunning hitlarian genius who masterfully colluded with Russia to steal the election. At some point you’ll all have to square that circle. Two sides of the same coin?

He hasn't accomplished shit and everyone knows it, you can parrot Hannity all day but it won't make either of you right.
I don't believe he's done anything in his life masterfully, aside from convincing other idiots that he's not one of them. I don't think the collusion stole the election, I do think it's a great toehold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he's been doing for the Russian mob.

Ha. The special prosecutor is a “great toe hold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he has been doing for the Russian mob”. Where do you come up with that crap? Steve Bannon? But you’re the sane one parroting nobodies talking points. Also I’m glad you admit why you want the special prosecutor in place. It isn’t about “collusion” but a totally different crime that he wasn’t even appointed to investigate. You pretty much confirm the belief by some that this is nothing more then a witch hunt. You’re trying to reverse an election you lost via other means. What a patriot!

You should read Team Muller’s Mandate. It’s far reaching and all encompassing. I guess only Hillary Clinton has to follow the letter of the law. Your hypocrisy is stinking, Professor.

Oh I get that it is wide ranging but still appreciate your admission that you just want a hunt for a crime. If it was a cop on the street you would be disgusted by that type of approach but as long as the investigators are pointing at Trump then it’s game on!

I believe Team Trump Treason colluded with Russia to ensure a victory over Hillary. Putin has been developing and grooming Trump for years. Team Mueller will lay it all out in legal filings and those charged will be offered an opportunity to defend themselves, unlike the repubes’ witch hunts of the past. Money laundering is but one charge. There will be others.

mrussel1 · January 2018

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.

I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

And Sharansky is no Trump fan.

Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission

Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.

Okay, so what precisely is he for and how does he accomplish it? Because I haven't actually heard/seen a cogent strategy of how to rescind the JPOA, increase sanctions while not hurting the Iranian people. Please detail how that will be accomplished.

Iran Deal, the reset..... and halt

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