The Democratic Candidates

mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

I honestly cannot believe how dumb and tone deaf they still are. Finding a way to lose 

Scarborough called it what it was... a clown show.  Here's the other thing that vexes me.  There's this 'thought' that even the NYT and MSNBC has bought into, that the party is radically left.  I don't believe it is.  I think the loudest voices are hard left and it's pulling both the candidates and the media that way, to the chagrin of me and I'm sure many US Democrats here on the board.  

I mean, here we are, the actual voting Democrats on the board of a liberal band like PJ.com, and we all seem to be in shock.  The people here that seem to  gravitate to the policies of the very progressive wing are our friends from Canada, Australia and Europe.  I mean no disrespect to them, but the point is that every time I see an opinion from someone that I know is in the US, it's much closer to the moderate position than the hard progressive.  I'm very, very worried because these candidates are not representing mainstream views.  

I don't think it's a Canadian or Australian or European thing. And using the members that post in here -- and I try to avoid this place at all costs, but I occasionally do find myself regretfully clicking through here (when the rest of the site seems to be slow) to see what everyone is not listening to each other at all about this time -- is a ridiculously thin reed.

Anyway, I am an American, and I have not voted in a presidential election since 2000 (maybe 2004) simply because there has not been a candidate who was young enough and progressive enough for me to check the box next to his or her name. I still vote for issues and local candidates who meet my criteria, but I imagine I'll be leaving a blank box again in 2020.

I don't think I'm the only American out there like this. I'm sure some hold their nose and check a box, but I would guess that more progressives show up, vote for legal weed, against existing discriminatory policies that affect the LGBTQ+ community, for their local progressive candidates, and throw up in their mouth a little when they see the presidential candidates who have to put their teeth in to eat breakfast, leaving that spot blank.

There are a couple of candidates who would actually get me excited to go to the polls this time around, but I'm almost certain that they'll be put back in their place by the establishment jackasses, their media mouthpieces and their donors by the time November 2020 rolls around.

So you are saying that you would vote for:
1. Free healthcare for undocumented immigrants
2. Waiving 1.6 trillion in student loans
3. Reparations
4. Re-instituting federally mandated busing

Legal weed and equal rights are pretty mainstream items.  I wouldn't even call them progressive.  

I'm not saying any of that. And I wouldn't do so in this forum. 

Well those are the type of policy proposals that could cause four more years of Trump.  It's not weed and LGBTQ rights. 

mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

I honestly cannot believe how dumb and tone deaf they still are. Finding a way to lose 

Scarborough called it what it was... a clown show.  Here's the other thing that vexes me.  There's this 'thought' that even the NYT and MSNBC has bought into, that the party is radically left.  I don't believe it is.  I think the loudest voices are hard left and it's pulling both the candidates and the media that way, to the chagrin of me and I'm sure many US Democrats here on the board.  

I mean, here we are, the actual voting Democrats on the board of a liberal band like PJ.com, and we all seem to be in shock.  The people here that seem to  gravitate to the policies of the very progressive wing are our friends from Canada, Australia and Europe.  I mean no disrespect to them, but the point is that every time I see an opinion from someone that I know is in the US, it's much closer to the moderate position than the hard progressive.  I'm very, very worried because these candidates are not representing mainstream views.  

I don't think it's a Canadian or Australian or European thing. And using the members that post in here -- and I try to avoid this place at all costs, but I occasionally do find myself regretfully clicking through here (when the rest of the site seems to be slow) to see what everyone is not listening to each other at all about this time -- is a ridiculously thin reed.

Anyway, I am an American, and I have not voted in a presidential election since 2000 (maybe 2004) simply because there has not been a candidate who was young enough and progressive enough for me to check the box next to his or her name. I still vote for issues and local candidates who meet my criteria, but I imagine I'll be leaving a blank box again in 2020.

I don't think I'm the only American out there like this. I'm sure some hold their nose and check a box, but I would guess that more progressives show up, vote for legal weed, against existing discriminatory policies that affect the LGBTQ+ community, for their local progressive candidates, and throw up in their mouth a little when they see the presidential candidates who have to put their teeth in to eat breakfast, leaving that spot blank.

There are a couple of candidates who would actually get me excited to go to the polls this time around, but I'm almost certain that they'll be put back in their place by the establishment jackasses, their media mouthpieces and their donors by the time November 2020 rolls around.

So you are saying that you would vote for:
1. Free healthcare for undocumented immigrants
2. Waiving 1.6 trillion in student loans
3. Reparations
4. Re-instituting federally mandated busing

Legal weed and equal rights are pretty mainstream items.  I wouldn't even call them progressive.  

I'm not saying any of that. And I wouldn't do so in this forum. 

Well those are the type of policy proposals that could cause four more years of Trump.  It's not weed and LGBTQ rights. 

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

I honestly cannot believe how dumb and tone deaf they still are. Finding a way to lose 

Scarborough called it what it was... a clown show.  Here's the other thing that vexes me.  There's this 'thought' that even the NYT and MSNBC has bought into, that the party is radically left.  I don't believe it is.  I think the loudest voices are hard left and it's pulling both the candidates and the media that way, to the chagrin of me and I'm sure many US Democrats here on the board.  

I mean, here we are, the actual voting Democrats on the board of a liberal band like PJ.com, and we all seem to be in shock.  The people here that seem to  gravitate to the policies of the very progressive wing are our friends from Canada, Australia and Europe.  I mean no disrespect to them, but the point is that every time I see an opinion from someone that I know is in the US, it's much closer to the moderate position than the hard progressive.  I'm very, very worried because these candidates are not representing mainstream views.  

I don't think it's a Canadian or Australian or European thing. And using the members that post in here -- and I try to avoid this place at all costs, but I occasionally do find myself regretfully clicking through here (when the rest of the site seems to be slow) to see what everyone is not listening to each other at all about this time -- is a ridiculously thin reed.

Anyway, I am an American, and I have not voted in a presidential election since 2000 (maybe 2004) simply because there has not been a candidate who was young enough and progressive enough for me to check the box next to his or her name. I still vote for issues and local candidates who meet my criteria, but I imagine I'll be leaving a blank box again in 2020.

I don't think I'm the only American out there like this. I'm sure some hold their nose and check a box, but I would guess that more progressives show up, vote for legal weed, against existing discriminatory policies that affect the LGBTQ+ community, for their local progressive candidates, and throw up in their mouth a little when they see the presidential candidates who have to put their teeth in to eat breakfast, leaving that spot blank.

There are a couple of candidates who would actually get me excited to go to the polls this time around, but I'm almost certain that they'll be put back in their place by the establishment jackasses, their media mouthpieces and their donors by the time November 2020 rolls around.

So you are saying that you would vote for:
1. Free healthcare for undocumented immigrants
2. Waiving 1.6 trillion in student loans
3. Reparations
4. Re-instituting federally mandated busing

Legal weed and equal rights are pretty mainstream items.  I wouldn't even call them progressive.  

I'm not saying any of that. And I wouldn't do so in this forum. 

Well those are the type of policy proposals that could cause four more years of Trump.  It's not weed and LGBTQ rights. 

If people would vote for !!Trump!! because of a proposition of cancelling student debt then fuck the US. Europe should go in and split up the US into X working democracies instead of the one thing Whatever-you-call-yourself that had to worry about a person like Trump being reelected. 

In the time of the world going to shit because of climate change - Fuck any country who feel they have the right to go with fiction instead of fact. 

Fucking sanction the shit out of a country voting for someone like Trump. 

Absurd strongman-loving bananarepublic level BS

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

mrussel1 said:

dankind said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

I honestly cannot believe how dumb and tone deaf they still are. Finding a way to lose 

Scarborough called it what it was... a clown show.  Here's the other thing that vexes me.  There's this 'thought' that even the NYT and MSNBC has bought into, that the party is radically left.  I don't believe it is.  I think the loudest voices are hard left and it's pulling both the candidates and the media that way, to the chagrin of me and I'm sure many US Democrats here on the board.  

I mean, here we are, the actual voting Democrats on the board of a liberal band like PJ.com, and we all seem to be in shock.  The people here that seem to  gravitate to the policies of the very progressive wing are our friends from Canada, Australia and Europe.  I mean no disrespect to them, but the point is that every time I see an opinion from someone that I know is in the US, it's much closer to the moderate position than the hard progressive.  I'm very, very worried because these candidates are not representing mainstream views.  

I don't think it's a Canadian or Australian or European thing. And using the members that post in here -- and I try to avoid this place at all costs, but I occasionally do find myself regretfully clicking through here (when the rest of the site seems to be slow) to see what everyone is not listening to each other at all about this time -- is a ridiculously thin reed.

Anyway, I am an American, and I have not voted in a presidential election since 2000 (maybe 2004) simply because there has not been a candidate who was young enough and progressive enough for me to check the box next to his or her name. I still vote for issues and local candidates who meet my criteria, but I imagine I'll be leaving a blank box again in 2020.

I don't think I'm the only American out there like this. I'm sure some hold their nose and check a box, but I would guess that more progressives show up, vote for legal weed, against existing discriminatory policies that affect the LGBTQ+ community, for their local progressive candidates, and throw up in their mouth a little when they see the presidential candidates who have to put their teeth in to eat breakfast, leaving that spot blank.

There are a couple of candidates who would actually get me excited to go to the polls this time around, but I'm almost certain that they'll be put back in their place by the establishment jackasses, their media mouthpieces and their donors by the time November 2020 rolls around.

So you are saying that you would vote for:
1. Free healthcare for undocumented immigrants
2. Waiving 1.6 trillion in student loans
3. Reparations
4. Re-instituting federally mandated busing

Legal weed and equal rights are pretty mainstream items.  I wouldn't even call them progressive.  

I'm not saying any of that. And I wouldn't do so in this forum. 

Well those are the type of policy proposals that could cause four more years of Trump.  It's not weed and LGBTQ rights. 

If people would vote for !!Trump!! because of a proposition of cancelling student debt then fuck the US. Europe should go in and split up the US into X working democracies instead of the one thing Whatever-you-call-yourself that had to worry about a person like Trump being reelected. 

In the time of the world going to shit because of climate change - Fuck any country who feel they have the right to go with fiction instead of fact. 

Fucking sanction the shit out of a country voting for someone like Trump. 

Absurd strongman-loving bananarepublic level BS

dignin said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Biden is going down:

NEW: CNN National Poll (6/28-30)
Biden 22%
Harris 17%
Warren 15%
Sanders 14%
Buttigieg 4%
Booker 3%
O’Rourke 3%
Klobuchar 2%
Castro 1%
de Blasio 1%
Gabbard 1%
Yang 1%
Under 1%:
Bennet, Delaney, Gillibrand, Hickenlooper, Inslee, Moulton, Ryan, Swalwell, Williamson, Bullock, Messam

Wow, look at those numbers. 

Guess those debates weren't completely irrelevant, first impressions and all.

mickeyrat said:

dignin said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Biden is going down:

NEW: CNN National Poll (6/28-30)
Biden 22%
Harris 17%
Warren 15%
Sanders 14%
Buttigieg 4%
Booker 3%
O’Rourke 3%
Klobuchar 2%
Castro 1%
de Blasio 1%
Gabbard 1%
Yang 1%
Under 1%:
Bennet, Delaney, Gillibrand, Hickenlooper, Inslee, Moulton, Ryan, Swalwell, Williamson, Bullock, Messam

Wow, look at those numbers. 

Guess those debates weren't completely irrelevant, first impressions and all.

way to many people. way to early period