A GAME OF THRONES - Discussion Thread

mace1229 · May 2019

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

Theres a new star wars trilogy? So 12 films now?
Or do you mean episode 9?

No they mentioned doing a new trilogy.
https://dorksideoftheforce.com/2019/02/11/star-wars-trilogy-benioff-weiss/

well, after season 7 and 8 I'm not that excited. But apparently theres been no information on what its about. Might be interesting what they come up with for a whole new trilogy.

tbergs · May 2019

Been reading through several reviews of the finale. Some skewer it, some rave about it and some land in the middle, where I think I mostly am. I found this assessment to be one of the more interesting ones:

But the thing that truly stood out to me — and indeed, stands out across the entire sweep of the series — is the power of a single father, Ned Stark. It was his fate in the first season (and first book) that signaled that there was something different about Game of Thrones. If you’d read fantasy fiction at all, you would have thought that Thrones was Ned Stark’s story. He was the righteous man who would triumph. Instead, he was the righteous man who lost his head. Then we spent the next seven seasons trying to discover the true hero. We thought it was Robb Stark. He was betrayed. We thought it was Dany. She turned. We thought it was Jon Snow, and he was certainly a hero, but was he the hero?

No, it was still Ned Stark. The closing images of the show focus on three of his children, and each was indelibly and unalterably shaped by the example of the man who raised them. Arya ended the show free of the burdens of Westeros, sailing into the unknown. But it was her father who set her free in the first season — liberating her from the burdens of becoming a classic lady of Westeros and setting her on the path that would kill the Night King. Sansa was the Stark who learned from her father’s mistakes. She retained his fundamental decency and learned his lessons, but she tempered his straightforward sense of honor (his ultimately foolish nobility) with a shrewdness and survival instinct gained through time spent with Littlefinger and through the awful teacher of dreadful experience.

And Jon Snow? He maintained the fundamental essence of his adoptive father. He was the living manifestation of the man who put death before dishonor. Duty was all. He died to save the Wildlings. He relinquished his throne to save the North. And he sacrificed his birthright to save the world from a mad queen.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/game-of-thrones-a-fathers-legacy-endures/

MayDay10 · May 2019

Merkin Baller said:

MayDay10 said:

tbergs said:
Agreed on Arya. Her story line built for seasons and then all of a sudden disappeared last season and didn't really go anywhere. I know we were supposed to believe that one exchange between her and the Hound finally made her see the light, but the character development change from assassin to retired killer didn't happen.

Another petty side note, last week, we saw Arya ride off on that white horse, but then the first shot of her this week is walking through the burned out ashes of the city again. That immediately annoyed me. So was the whole white horse amidst the gray of ash and ruin supposed to be another sign that Arya should hang-up needle and sail the seas?

Anyway, I think what we got was all the writers were willing to make time for. Maybe they were finding it hard to write the complex story or the actors were itching to get out of the show (I haven't heard that), but either way, they could have probably done a lot better job and given this show 2 full final seasons with just a few extended 80+ minute shows instead of these past 2 seasons on urgency over 3 years.

A few of my friends a few years ago had talked about how this show could possible overtake The Wire for them as best show, but these last 2 seasons really made it clear that wasn't going to happen. GoT wins hands down when it comes to entertainment and visuals, but in the end, it was the story that held it back, which is ironic considering Tyrion's message about why Bran should be King.

The whole story, Arya wanted to be a fighter and get revenge (and to protect her family).

She "graduated" from the House of Black and White, used her newfound superpowers to neatly murder the entire (and quite large) Frey house, including feeding Walder Frey his own sons before killing him. That displayed the 'face trick' and that was enough of that for me.

She was the one who executed Little Finger

They also put her skills on display as she sparred with and bested one of the most skilled Knights in the story (Brienne).

She also delivered the most important stroke in the history of mankind in killing the Night King.

That isn't really disappearing... in fact, IMO, Arya killing Dany would have been too much for 1 character and everyone would have been like WTF is Jon for?

I thought Littlefinger’s fate was bullshit too... the whole story of Sansa & Arya setting him up in season 7 was a joke & a pretty weak way for one of the most influential characters on this show to go out.

Edit: it was gratifying to see Arya be the one to kill him, but I thought his character deserved a better ending than it got.

As far as the books go at this point.

The White Walkers are an overarching threat to humanity and there is a whole sense of doom the 'woke' people feel that all the squabbling over the throne/lands/etc is counter-productive as they need to take shit seriously. You get some of that in the show, but I feel/agree that it was very quick that the Army of the Dead/White Walkers/Others/Night King were vanquished at the first resistance south of the wall (Last Hearth not withstanding).

The other big danger is Littlefinger and him expertly maneuvering everything and basically masterminding all the trouble from the very beginning. Littlefinger was botched in the show post-Eyrie. He just kind of floated around and hid in the shadows and had a weird meeting with Cersei that didnt make sense, marrying Sansa to Ramsey which didnt make sense, and lurking around Winterfell until he was eventually killed.

So yeah. I agree.

Merkin Baller · May 2019

tbergs said:

Been reading through several reviews of the finale. Some skewer it, some rave about it and some land in the middle, where I think I mostly am. I found this assessment to be one of the more interesting ones:
But the thing that truly stood out to me — and indeed, stands out across the entire sweep of the series — is the power of a single father, Ned Stark. It was his fate in the first season (and first book) that signaled that there was something different about Game of Thrones. If you’d read fantasy fiction at all, you would have thought that Thrones was Ned Stark’s story. He was the righteous man who would triumph. Instead, he was the righteous man who lost his head. Then we spent the next seven seasons trying to discover the true hero. We thought it was Robb Stark. He was betrayed. We thought it was Dany. She turned. We thought it was Jon Snow, and he was certainly a hero, but was he the hero?
No, it was still Ned Stark. The closing images of the show focus on three of his children, and each was indelibly and unalterably shaped by the example of the man who raised them. Arya ended the show free of the burdens of Westeros, sailing into the unknown. But it was her father who set her free in the first season — liberating her from the burdens of becoming a classic lady of Westeros and setting her on the path that would kill the Night King. Sansa was the Stark who learned from her father’s mistakes. She retained his fundamental decency and learned his lessons, but she tempered his straightforward sense of honor (his ultimately foolish nobility) with a shrewdness and survival instinct gained through time spent with Littlefinger and through the awful teacher of dreadful experience.
And Jon Snow? He maintained the fundamental essence of his adoptive father. He was the living manifestation of the man who put death before dishonor. Duty was all. He died to save the Wildlings. He relinquished his throne to save the North. And he sacrificed his birthright to save the world from a mad queen.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/game-of-thrones-a-fathers-legacy-endures/

This was a great review.

mca47 · May 2019

I thought the finale was ok. A few scenes I found to be annoying or rushed.
It's SPRING! How fn long was Tyrion and Jon locked up? Jon's beard grew a little, but for King's Landing to go from winter to teeshirt weather overnight seemed a bit odd. The next time someone says "Winter is coming", the response should be laughter. Yeah, watch out!
The scene where they great houses were together to make the decision to anoint Bran king. I don't have a problem with the decision, I have a problem with the scene. Greyworm went from "ok, we're going to kill this traitor" and "You don't speak" to seconds later Tyrion giving a long, detailed reason why Bran should be king. Ok. The whole scene felt clumsy...or something a comedy show would parody.
I know people have issues with Jon being re-assigned to the Night's Watch, but it was a wink-wink decision. Greyworm has no idea what the Night's Watch is about or the fact that they are no longer needed. It's more or less a get out of jail free card. I was kind of hoping Sansa saying "thousands of northmen are outside of the walls" would lead to something. Instead, they were just cool with Jon going away. Nobody was like "why does the north get to be an independent kingdom and we have to stay?"
Where the fuck did Bron come from? Why was he at the small counsel's table? I get that he's the head of Highgarten, but it doesn't explain why he's there. That wasn't part of the negotiation. Master of coin? That seems as appropriate as making Betsy Devos the secretary of education. Was hoping to hear Tyrion say "Why are you here?" And the pan out scene at the small counsel table felt kinda dumb.
Finally, I know Jon is noble, but why the fuck wouldn't he just say "Damn, that dragon went nuts, killed Dany, and flew her lifeless corpse away"?
Either way, I'm sad it's over. Not much left, TV wise, to get excited about.
I'm not sure how I feel about the potential of their being 4-5 spinoffs.

mace1229 · May 2019

mca47 said:

I thought the finale was ok. A few scenes I found to be annoying or rushed.
It's SPRING! How fn long was Tyrion and Jon locked up? Jon's beard grew a little, but for King's Landing to go from winter to teeshirt weather overnight seemed a bit odd. The next time someone says "Winter is coming", the response should be laughter. Yeah, watch out!
The scene where they great houses were together to make the decision to anoint Bran king. I don't have a problem with the decision, I have a problem with the scene. Greyworm went from "ok, we're going to kill this traitor" and "You don't speak" to seconds later Tyrion giving a long, detailed reason why Bran should be king. Ok. The whole scene felt clumsy...or something a comedy show would parody.
I know people have issues with Jon being re-assigned to the Night's Watch, but it was a wink-wink decision. Greyworm has no idea what the Night's Watch is about or the fact that they are no longer needed. It's more or less a get out of jail free card. I was kind of hoping Sansa saying "thousands of northmen are outside of the walls" would lead to something. Instead, they were just cool with Jon going away. Nobody was like "why does the north get to be an independent kingdom and we have to stay?"
Where the fuck did Bron come from? Why was he at the small counsel's table? I get that he's the head of Highgarten, but it doesn't explain why he's there. That wasn't part of the negotiation. Master of coin? That seems as appropriate as making Betsy Devos the secretary of education. Was hoping to hear Tyrion say "Why are you here?" And the pan out scene at the small counsel table felt kinda dumb.
Finally, I know Jon is noble, but why the fuck wouldn't he just say "Damn, that dragon went nuts, killed Dany, and flew her lifeless corpse away"?
Either way, I'm sad it's over. Not much left, TV wise, to get excited about.
I'm not sure how I feel about the potential of their being 4-5 spinoffs.

I agree with most of that, a lot of that annoyed me too.
I guess the only part I didnt have an issue with was the winter ending. I think winter is associated with the Night King right, so when he died it made sense to have a short winter.

I too almost laughed when GreyWorm threatens Tyrion not to speak, then lets him go on for 10 minutes. I can't stand whoever that guy is that plays Greyworm either.....his facial expressions! No one ever thought once to say "Okay, lets try this scene again. This time look less constipated."
Bron being on the counsel makes zero sense. He isn't trustworthy, he's proven himself a true sellsword to the highest bidder without honor. And why does he even have highgarden? The only people who knew of that deal was Tyrion and Jamie. Jamie is dead and Tyrion was in jail and with no way or right to give it to Bron even if he wanted to.
This last season wasn't terrible, but it felt like an average movie or show where you have to ignore a lot of basic plotholes and just accept it.

goldrush · May 2019

I didn’t see anything wrong with Arya’s ending. Her list - which was the whole reason for her training - was finished, so in a sense she was finally free. When she ran into the theatre company a few seasons ago, she even said “what’s west of Westeros? I’d like to see it some day” to the actress, so it wasn’t really unexpected.

The small council is obviously Tyrion saying “if I have to be Hand, I get to pick my team”. You know he would’ve had Varys there too if he’d lived.

I think everyone knew that taking the Black would effectively free Jon, except Grey Worm. The important thing was that he was seen to agree to father no children, and therefore end the Targaryen name.

Where did the Dothraki go? We didn’t see them on the boats with the Unsullied. When Grey Worm was told that all the men had boarded, there were still some Dothraki walking through the docks.

MayDay10 · May 2019

Jon was honorable, so he fessed up, true to his character. He was ready to accept whatever punishment drogon deemed appropriate as well

Thoughts_Arrive · May 2019

I have never watched one episode of this show.

Jason P · May 2019

Greyworm's facial expressions are those of someone who takes Monopoly to serious and is bad at playing it.

Bronn should have gotten Littlefinger's brothels and a chest of gold at best. He was on the losing team, so yeah, not much sense in his promotion to the job he is least suited for. Like putting Fat Bastard in charge of Dr. Evils candy collection.

Poddrick's promotion to pushing an alien host around in a wheel chair is the short end of the stick, but he made it alive to the end so he has that going for him.

Samwell getting laughed at for suggesting democracy in the realm and then the same group agreeing to let a woman take a kingdom out of the realm doesn't make sense for the setting the world resides in.

Huge win for fans of breasting feeding adolescent children and adults. Robin Arryn is McDreamy and Tormund is chief wilding.

This is a show that is impossible to please fans with it's final ending because no one really wants it to end. That's the nuts and bolts of it. The fact that it ended in a way that I didn't see coming is to me a tip of the cap.

Jason P · May 2019

Also, Winterfell is a shit stronghold / castle. Even Riverrun has better defenses. It was taken down with some ropes and ladders by the Greyjoys about 200 miles from any open water.

tempo_n_groove · May 2019

Jason P said:

Also, Winterfell is a shit stronghold / castle. Even Riverrun has better defenses. It was taken down with some ropes and ladders by the Greyjoys about 200 miles from any open water.

What the hell is Mcdreamy?

tbergs · May 2019

tempo_n_groove said:

Jason P said:

Also, Winterfell is a shit stronghold / castle. Even Riverrun has better defenses. It was taken down with some ropes and ladders by the Greyjoys about 200 miles from any open water.

What the hell is Mcdreamy?

A doctor on that shit show Grey's Anatomy.

tempo_n_groove · May 2019

tbergs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Jason P said:

Also, Winterfell is a shit stronghold / castle. Even Riverrun has better defenses. It was taken down with some ropes and ladders by the Greyjoys about 200 miles from any open water.

What the hell is Mcdreamy?

A doctor on that shit show Grey's Anatomy.

Which has what to do w Game of Thrones?

Sorry I'm not getting the humor or I'm really missing something here.

MayDay10 · May 2019

Jason P said:

Also, Winterfell is a shit stronghold / castle. Even Riverrun has better defenses. It was taken down with some ropes and ladders by the Greyjoys about 200 miles from any open water.

to be fair, I forget how the show explained it:

But they did not foresee a Greyjoy threat. Robb took most of the fighters down south. Theon and Cleftjaw feigned a seige at Torrhen Square, which drew Rodrik Cassel and the remainder of people who could fight.... as well as travelling over to try to keep the peace between the Hornwoods/Manderlys/Boltons. There was nobody left other than young, women, and old. Theon and like 20 dudes swam across the moat, grappled over the wall, and "peacefully" claimed the castle. If there was anybody to man the castle, then it would have been impossible.

Robb should have never given up the 'hostage' in Theon, not that Balon greyjoy gave a fig about him anyway. Theon went rogue to take over Winterfell. Balon and Asha both knew that Winterfell was too far inland and away from their strength (sea and longships), and deep amongst their enemies, many leagues from supply lines.

Then Winterfell fell a second time when that Bozo Theon opened the gates for Reek/Ramsey and Dreadfort soldiers.

JPPJ84 · May 2019

Thought I’d share this... I loved it

https://youtu.be/6i0a7RDPkM8

goldrush · May 2019

JPPJ84 said:

Thought I’d share this... I loved it

https://youtu.be/6i0a7RDPkM8

The House Stark telecaster looks really nice. Expensive as hell though!

what dreams · May 2019

Even The Last Watch documentary is boring. Such a letdown.

MayDay10 · May 2019

I thought the documentary was interesting and mesmerizing. I think I could have watched it for 12 straight hours.

markymark550 · October 2019

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/10/30/house-of-the-dragon-hbo-confirms-game-of-thrones-prequel.html

HBO confirms that they have ordered a 10 episode run of a prequel series called House of the Dragon. Series will take place 300 years before GOT and follow the history of House Targaryen.

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