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gotta give him a ton of credit for scoring 50 again this year. After winning the Cup last year and celebrating it as much as he did would have thought maybe a little down this year. big effort to get 50 again.Meltdown99 said:
He may be the best pure goal score since Mike Bossy?
as for the argument about pure scorer. remember Ovi is doing it in an era where very few players reach 50 goals anymore. in fact he is the only one to do it the past 4 years. During Bossy's run of 50 goal season in all but his first 2 50 goal seasons at least 5 other guys scored 50 with as many as 9 others doing it once in the same season.0 -
You do know that sports are subjective right? These are just my opinions from watching the game for 40 years or so. Ovechkin is also playing in an era where goal scoring is down for most everyone, but him. What would Ovechkin numbers be if he played when Gretzky played? 1000 goals would have been impossible. Ovi is at 658 ... Gretzky had 894 ... Ovi needs 236 to pass him. I gave him 40 a season, he'll hit 50 a couple more times. But, you see, he doesn't have to break Gretzky's record to be the greatest ... like I said, even Gretzky will say Ovi is a better goal scorer than him. Just the fact that Ovi on his current pass should surpass Gretzky and play in an era of systems and defensive hockey and he is proven that no system can stop him. When Gretzky retired, they claimed his records were untouchable...Ovi is within reach. I hope he challenges the record, even breaks it...mrussel1 said:
1. Agree on Bossy with his numbers, and only 10 years or whatever, but you can't discount health or assume someone can continue a pace.Meltdown99 said:
Mike Bossy had 573 career goals, if his career did not crash due to injuries he would have surpassed 750 goals. Ovi has 658 career goals and shows no sign of letting up...5 more years averaging 40 goals he surpasses Gretzky.mrussel1 said:
How do you make that argument when Gretzky has much better goal numbers than both. Even Lemieux has better numbers. And none of those guys are Putin stooges.Meltdown99 said:
He may be the best pure goal score since Mike Bossy?
If if you had noticed, I said pure goal scorer. No one is calling Wayne Gretzky a pure goaler ... and Gretzky would tell you In a heart beat that Ovechkin May very well be the greatest pure goal scorer ever...
i could care care a less about your feud with Putin. You 2 need a room.
2. Your math would leave Ovi short by about a season, excluding playoffs (where the gap widens). But I think it's a stretch to think he can keep up the same production in the twilight of his career. We shall see.
3. I don't know what 'pure scorer' means.. if it means that he doesn't have comparable assists to Mario, Jagr or Wayne, then sure I'm with you there. If it means he doesn't like to play defense, absolutely agree. To me, the stats are the stats. Until he passes Wayne (or Jagr, or even Hull), I don't know how you call him the best scorer.
4. Why would I want to get a room with Putin, I hate the guy. C'mon man, I have standards!
I am not saying anything bad about Gretzky, but even Gretzky will be cheering Ovi if Ovi gets close, just like Gordie cheered Gretzky on when Gretzky broke his records...Ovi breaking the record will depend on him, he could retire at seasons end...but I doubt it.
A pure goal scorer is subjective as well. Depends on how you want to define it.
I'll leave Bossy stand as is.
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Of course it's subjective, that's why I'm counter arguing it.Meltdown99 said:
You do know that sports are subjective right? These are just my opinions from watching the game for 40 years or so. Ovechkin is also playing in an era where goal scoring is down for most everyone, but him. What would Ovechkin numbers be if he played when Gretzky played? 1000 goals would have been impossible. Ovi is at 658 ... Gretzky had 894 ... Ovi needs 236 to pass him. I gave him 40 a season, he'll hit 50 a couple more times. But, you see, he doesn't have to break Gretzky's record to be the greatest ... like I said, even Gretzky will say Ovi is a better goal scorer than him. Just the fact that Ovi on his current pass should surpass Gretzky and play in an era of systems and defensive hockey and he is proven that no system can stop him. When Gretzky retired, they claimed his records were untouchable...Ovi is within reach. I hope he challenges the record, even breaks it...mrussel1 said:
1. Agree on Bossy with his numbers, and only 10 years or whatever, but you can't discount health or assume someone can continue a pace.Meltdown99 said:
Mike Bossy had 573 career goals, if his career did not crash due to injuries he would have surpassed 750 goals. Ovi has 658 career goals and shows no sign of letting up...5 more years averaging 40 goals he surpasses Gretzky.mrussel1 said:
How do you make that argument when Gretzky has much better goal numbers than both. Even Lemieux has better numbers. And none of those guys are Putin stooges.Meltdown99 said:
He may be the best pure goal score since Mike Bossy?
If if you had noticed, I said pure goal scorer. No one is calling Wayne Gretzky a pure goaler ... and Gretzky would tell you In a heart beat that Ovechkin May very well be the greatest pure goal scorer ever...
i could care care a less about your feud with Putin. You 2 need a room.
2. Your math would leave Ovi short by about a season, excluding playoffs (where the gap widens). But I think it's a stretch to think he can keep up the same production in the twilight of his career. We shall see.
3. I don't know what 'pure scorer' means.. if it means that he doesn't have comparable assists to Mario, Jagr or Wayne, then sure I'm with you there. If it means he doesn't like to play defense, absolutely agree. To me, the stats are the stats. Until he passes Wayne (or Jagr, or even Hull), I don't know how you call him the best scorer.
4. Why would I want to get a room with Putin, I hate the guy. C'mon man, I have standards!
I am not saying anything bad about Gretzky, but even Gretzky will be cheering Ovi if Ovi gets close, just like Gordie cheered Gretzky on when Gretzky broke his records...Ovi breaking the record will depend on him, he could retire at seasons end...but I doubt it.
A pure goal scorer is subjective as well. Depends on how you want to define it.
I'll leave Bossy stand as is.
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If only Super Mario could have stayed healthy. So many points and played in so many less games than everyone else.
I'd say Ovi is in the argument of best goal scorers of all time....got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...0 -
Mario might be the all-time goal and points leader. But I in no way feel sorry for Mario and his injuries. A dude as big as was, he got pushed around way to easy...pjsteelerfan said:If only Super Mario could have stayed healthy. So many points and played in so many less games than everyone else.
I'd say Ovi is in the argument of best goal scorers of all time.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Yep, we all know only pussies get sidelined by Hodgkin's and Adam Graves.0
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The love he receives is the love that is saved0 -
I hit on Carolina in the playoffs, just missed on Arizona.
Huge whiffs include the Islanders in last place and Vegas finishing pretty low.MayDay10 said:Tampa - 1
Leafs - 2
Bruins - 3
Sabres
Panthers
Red Wings
Habs
Senators
Washington - 1
Columbus - 2
Pittsburgh - 3
Philadelphia - WC
Carolina - WC
Devils
Rangers
Islanders
Blues - 1
Predators - 2
Avalanche - 3
Jets - WC
Stars (only dont get the WC because division is a bear)
Blackhawks
Wild
Sharks - 1
Oilers - 2
Flames - 3
Coyotes - WC
Ducks
Kings
Vegas
Canucks
Conference Finals
Predators beat Sharks
Tampa beats Pittsburgh
Predators beat Tampa for cup
Hart Trophy - McDavid
Vezina - Bobrovski
Norris - Ellis
Calder - Svechnikov0 -
Playoffs day, time for some hardcore pucking! Five match-ups tonight, and outside of the Bolts/BJs, they could all be close series. Let's Go Pens, end the drought!
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What the fuck are you talking about?Vitalogensia said:Yep, we all know only pussies get sidelined by Hodgkin's and Adam Graves.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Hopefully, Tampa sweeps Columbus and their punk head coach...
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You hate Torts? He is kind of a lunatic.Meltdown99 said:Hopefully, Tampa sweeps Columbus and their punk head coach...0 -
Got no use for the bum...he is overrated garbage...mrussel1 said:
You hate Torts? He is kind of a lunatic.Meltdown99 said:Hopefully, Tampa sweeps Columbus and their punk head coach...Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Won a cup for the Bolts...Meltdown99 said:
Got no use for the bum...he is overrated garbage...mrussel1 said:
You hate Torts? He is kind of a lunatic.Meltdown99 said:Hopefully, Tampa sweeps Columbus and their punk head coach...0 -
Well, Babcock has won a cup, I consider him a little over-rated as well. I'm not that familiar with Tampa team when torts were there. Was that his team, or did he was he hired into a great situation. I always thoughts Babs is smart in knowing when to position himself and move on, he saw Detroit on the downward spiral and saw Toronto with some good young talent and I think he knew a number 1 pick was coming.mrussel1 said:
Won a cup for the Bolts...Meltdown99 said:
Got no use for the bum...he is overrated garbage...mrussel1 said:
You hate Torts? He is kind of a lunatic.Meltdown99 said:Hopefully, Tampa sweeps Columbus and their punk head coach...Give Peas A Chance…0 -
He was hired in 2000 and they were terrible. They soon got Lecavalier, Richards, St Louis and the rest of that crew. Andreychuk and Khabibulen really were the ones that put them over the top. He was a tough coach and preached accountability. That was needed with the young team. The message wore thin after the cup. He was good for us for that window but the style is grating I'm sure. I hear he has softened up, not sure that's true.Meltdown99 said:
Well, Babcock has won a cup, I consider him a little over-rated as well. I'm not that familiar with Tampa team when torts were there. Was that his team, or did he was he hired into a great situation. I always thoughts Babs is smart in knowing when to position himself and move on, he saw Detroit on the downward spiral and saw Toronto with some good young talent and I think he knew a number 1 pick was coming.mrussel1 said:
Won a cup for the Bolts...Meltdown99 said:
Got no use for the bum...he is overrated garbage...mrussel1 said:
You hate Torts? He is kind of a lunatic.Meltdown99 said:Hopefully, Tampa sweeps Columbus and their punk head coach...
I think Babcock walked into a much better situation.0 -
This is the part of the season where my favorite team is "anyone but Pittsburgh"
Star Lake 00 / Pittsburgh 03 / State College 03 / Bristow 03 / Cleveland 06 / Camden II 06 / DC 08 / Pittsburgh 13 / Baltimore 13 / Charlottesville 13 / Cincinnati 14 / St. Paul 14 / Hampton 16 / Wrigley I 16 / Wrigley II 16 / Baltimore 20 / Camden 22 / Baltimore 24 / Raleigh I 25 / Raleigh II 25 / Pittsburgh I 250 -
I'd love to see the Leafs win it. If not them then Winnipeg or Calgary. it's time for Canada to take the Cup back. Would make me kind of sick if Tampa wins their 2...or as many Cups as the Flyers have.HesCalledDyer said:This is the part of the season where my favorite team is "anyone but Pittsburgh"0 -
God I love the first round. It's like 10 days of hockey bombarding you from all angles. Reminds me of the Thursday Friday of the first round of the NCAA tourney.0
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