Skyscrapers and building are killing many birds each year.

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  • brianlux
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    my2hands said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    Remember these skyscrapers are in the city.  City dwellers care far less about the environment than country folk.  
    That is 100% false

    City living is generally FAR greener than suburban/country living 
    Generally speaking, I think this could be quite true.  Considering transportation alone: Cities have mass transit, rural areas not so much.  Rural and suburban dwellers more often drive truck and SUVs, city drivers generally either take mass transit, walk, ride bicycles or drive smaller vehicles.

    On the other hand, cities kill more birds, which is the concern.  Wouldn't it be great if some creative person developed a means of keeping birds from crashing into all that glass?!
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  • Smellyman
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    my2hands said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    Remember these skyscrapers are in the city.  City dwellers care far less about the environment than country folk.  
    That is 100% false

    City living is generally FAR greener than suburban/country living 

    100%?

    The Amish would beg to differ. And others. 
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,892
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    I have to admit I get immediately turned off when I read stats that can no way be near to true. As JasonP said, we'd notice if 1 billion birds were flying into buildings. If his number of skyscrapers was right, that is over 4000 birds, per building per day on average. Even taking the low end of the estimate of 100 million that's still over 400 a day. I think people would notice walking over a wall of dead birds when entering the building. 
    The same article later mentions some studies put the number at 90,000 in NYC. 90,000 in our biggest city seems plausible, but honestly I'm just questioning everything about this article when they lead off with the 1B number.
    So at least for me, thats why you won't see a big concern from this article. But if there is a wy to fix it, we definitely should.
  • brianlux
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    I did a (relatively quick- maybe someone here has done or will do a more in-depth study) search for answers to which is more environmentally friendly- urban or rural living.  Most of the article I ran across touted urban living as being greener, including one by Scientific American. On the other hand, a different article by Scientific American states this: 

    "... there are large indirect energy and material demands that are not often accounted for in calculations of urban energy use.An example is all the energy and materials it takes to get gasoline to an urban consumer, whether for a car or bus, (searching for and drilling wells, pumping the oil to a refinery that converts the oil to gasoline, and transporting the gas to a network of gas stations) and, in fact, almost everything from building materials to artificial lighting to clothing to food that is used in a city is produced elsewhere, often at high energy costs."




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  • brianlux
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    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    I have to admit I get immediately turned off when I read stats that can no way be near to true. As JasonP said, we'd notice if 1 billion birds were flying into buildings. If his number of skyscrapers was right, that is over 4000 birds, per building per day on average. Even taking the low end of the estimate of 100 million that's still over 400 a day. I think people would notice walking over a wall of dead birds when entering the building. 
    The same article later mentions some studies put the number at 90,000 in NYC. 90,000 in our biggest city seems plausible, but honestly I'm just questioning everything about this article when they lead off with the 1B number.
    So at least for me, thats why you won't see a big concern from this article. But if there is a wy to fix it, we definitely should.
    One billion may or may not be far from true, I will admit that.  Maybe we can just call it "lots of birds" and talk about the fact that it's true that glass in buildings (be it anything from massive sky scrappers to houses to windshields on cars) kill A LOT OF birds.  Then we could move on to the topic of how birds are an important part of ecosystem's life cycles and see what we can do to reduce the death of birds.  They really are an important part of life. 
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • pjhawks
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    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    I have to admit I get immediately turned off when I read stats that can no way be near to true. As JasonP said, we'd notice if 1 billion birds were flying into buildings. If his number of skyscrapers was right, that is over 4000 birds, per building per day on average. Even taking the low end of the estimate of 100 million that's still over 400 a day. I think people would notice walking over a wall of dead birds when entering the building. 
    The same article later mentions some studies put the number at 90,000 in NYC. 90,000 in our biggest city seems plausible, but honestly I'm just questioning everything about this article when they lead off with the 1B number.
    So at least for me, thats why you won't see a big concern from this article. But if there is a wy to fix it, we definitely should.
    only sort of on this topic but i've always wondered where birds die. i mean in spring and summer i will see thousands of birds flying around and yet maybe once a year do i ever see a bird dead on the ground.  shouldn't there be a hell of a lot more dead on the ground? i wonder where they die.

    i've also wondered if most states have birds, and most birds fly south for the winter, wouldn't the southern states be overrun with birds in the winter? how can southern states handle almost all the countries birds during the cold months? weird things i think about...
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,637
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    I have to admit I get immediately turned off when I read stats that can no way be near to true. As JasonP said, we'd notice if 1 billion birds were flying into buildings. If his number of skyscrapers was right, that is over 4000 birds, per building per day on average. Even taking the low end of the estimate of 100 million that's still over 400 a day. I think people would notice walking over a wall of dead birds when entering the building. 
    The same article later mentions some studies put the number at 90,000 in NYC. 90,000 in our biggest city seems plausible, but honestly I'm just questioning everything about this article when they lead off with the 1B number.
    So at least for me, thats why you won't see a big concern from this article. But if there is a wy to fix it, we definitely should.
    The Deep State hires bird-picker-uppers (at inflated government salary, of course) to hang out outside of skyscrapers and bag them.

    Yeah, this number seems huge.  I know this happens.  And I know it can be mitigated (not eliminated).  And it should be.  But with a number like that, people will focus on that being incorrect and not worry about what's actually going on.
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  • brianlux
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    edited April 2019
    pjhawks said:
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    I have to admit I get immediately turned off when I read stats that can no way be near to true. As JasonP said, we'd notice if 1 billion birds were flying into buildings. If his number of skyscrapers was right, that is over 4000 birds, per building per day on average. Even taking the low end of the estimate of 100 million that's still over 400 a day. I think people would notice walking over a wall of dead birds when entering the building. 
    The same article later mentions some studies put the number at 90,000 in NYC. 90,000 in our biggest city seems plausible, but honestly I'm just questioning everything about this article when they lead off with the 1B number.
    So at least for me, thats why you won't see a big concern from this article. But if there is a wy to fix it, we definitely should.
    only sort of on this topic but i've always wondered where birds die. i mean in spring and summer i will see thousands of birds flying around and yet maybe once a year do i ever see a bird dead on the ground.  shouldn't there be a hell of a lot more dead on the ground? i wonder where they die.

    i've also wondered if most states have birds, and most birds fly south for the winter, wouldn't the southern states be overrun with birds in the winter? how can southern states handle almost all the countries birds during the cold months? weird things i think about...
    I'm no ornithological expert, but I think most birds that migrate go further south, many to central and south America. 

    The other thing to note is that there are far fewer birds today than there were even just a few hundred years ago.  The last passenger pigeon was killed on September 1, 1914.  In colonial times, they numbered (no exaggeration here) in the billions.  And that's just one species. So I'm thinking, any place today can handle the number of birds that migrate today.


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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    brianlux said:
    This is just sad.  I hope this news gets around and someone comes up with a way to reduce the number of avian deaths.  This has to stop.  Birds are hugely important.  They keep ecosystems in balance.  Birds have been referred to as "the voice of nature".  Their status is a barometer to the health of the planet. 



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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited April 2019
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    Don't be disappointed by the people here. There isn't anything they can do about it, which is more what you're seeing I think than simple apathy. Frankly, I think it's more likely that the birds will have time to evolve to avoid death by skyscraper than it is the buildings will be adjusted to somehow prevent bird deaths. I mean, apparently house cats are much more harmful to the bird population than these building are. People can only get upset about so many things. Me, I would like for the birds not to die by flying into buildings, of course.... That's about all I can say or do about it though, and that is useless. So now what?
    FWIW, the university I work at puts birds of prey stickers on many of the windows that seem likely to draw bird strikes. So there you go. Some people are doing something.
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  • brianlux
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    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    This is just sad.  I hope this news gets around and someone comes up with a way to reduce the number of avian deaths.  This has to stop.  Birds are hugely important.  They keep ecosystems in balance.  Birds have been referred to as "the voice of nature".  Their status is a barometer to the health of the planet. 



    That doesn't sound right. If it said that was worldwide I MIGHT believe it.
    Yeah, I don't know about the numbers.  But as I later said, whether it's millions or billions, it's A LOT and it's not just sky scrapers.  All structures with glass are potentially lethal for birds.
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  • brianlux
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    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    Don't be disappointed by the people here. There isn't anything they can do about it, which is more what you're seeing I think than simple apathy. Frankly, I think it's more likely that the birds will have time to evolve to avoid death by skyscraper than it is the buildings will be adjusted to somehow prevent bird deaths. I mean, apparently house cats are much more harmful to the bird population than these building are. People can only get upset about so many things. Me, I would like for the birds not to die by flying into buildings, of course.... That's about all I can say or do about it though, and that is useless. So now what?
    FWIW, the university I work at puts birds of prey stickers on many of the windows that seem likely to draw bird strikes. So there you go. Some people are doing something.
    I was disappointed early in the thread because it seemed like there was little concern for the actual issue.  I should have just laughed at the early comments and waited for the more serious posts to pop up.

    Cats- yes, the are BAD NEWS for birds and reptiles.  Exactly why we keep Annie indoors.  She gets screened open window/door time for sniffing the great outdoors and I'm looking at building an outdoor enclosure for her as well. 

    Cool that your university buts up prey stickers.  They do help! 

    Oh, and I am soooo envious that you work at a university.  I like what I do but I miss the atmosphere of universities as both a student and an employee.  I need another life time or two to get it all in!

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  • Jason P
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    pjhawks said:
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    I have to admit I get immediately turned off when I read stats that can no way be near to true. As JasonP said, we'd notice if 1 billion birds were flying into buildings. If his number of skyscrapers was right, that is over 4000 birds, per building per day on average. Even taking the low end of the estimate of 100 million that's still over 400 a day. I think people would notice walking over a wall of dead birds when entering the building. 
    The same article later mentions some studies put the number at 90,000 in NYC. 90,000 in our biggest city seems plausible, but honestly I'm just questioning everything about this article when they lead off with the 1B number.
    So at least for me, thats why you won't see a big concern from this article. But if there is a wy to fix it, we definitely should.
    only sort of on this topic but i've always wondered where birds die. i mean in spring and summer i will see thousands of birds flying around and yet maybe once a year do i ever see a bird dead on the ground.  shouldn't there be a hell of a lot more dead on the ground? i wonder where they die.

    They go to the same place where the squirrels take poops.  An alternate dimension.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    Jason P said:
    pjhawks said:
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    I have to admit I get immediately turned off when I read stats that can no way be near to true. As JasonP said, we'd notice if 1 billion birds were flying into buildings. If his number of skyscrapers was right, that is over 4000 birds, per building per day on average. Even taking the low end of the estimate of 100 million that's still over 400 a day. I think people would notice walking over a wall of dead birds when entering the building. 
    The same article later mentions some studies put the number at 90,000 in NYC. 90,000 in our biggest city seems plausible, but honestly I'm just questioning everything about this article when they lead off with the 1B number.
    So at least for me, thats why you won't see a big concern from this article. But if there is a wy to fix it, we definitely should.
    only sort of on this topic but i've always wondered where birds die. i mean in spring and summer i will see thousands of birds flying around and yet maybe once a year do i ever see a bird dead on the ground.  shouldn't there be a hell of a lot more dead on the ground? i wonder where they die.

    They go to the same place where the squirrels take poops.  An alternate dimension.
    I'm going to guess that most birds go and die in their nests... and I actually hardly see any nests around either, so they must be really good at hiding them in the crooks of trees and in hollows, etc. And any birds who don't die "at home" are perhaps scavenged pretty quickly by crows, possums, raccoons maybe, rats, etc. As for the squirrel poop... I sincerely never thought about that. I've got TONS of squirrels running around my place all year 'round, and I don't even know what squirrel poop looks like! Wtf?
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  • Lerxst1992
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    pjhawks said:
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    I have to admit I get immediately turned off when I read stats that can no way be near to true. As JasonP said, we'd notice if 1 billion birds were flying into buildings. If his number of skyscrapers was right, that is over 4000 birds, per building per day on average. Even taking the low end of the estimate of 100 million that's still over 400 a day. I think people would notice walking over a wall of dead birds when entering the building. 
    The same article later mentions some studies put the number at 90,000 in NYC. 90,000 in our biggest city seems plausible, but honestly I'm just questioning everything about this article when they lead off with the 1B number.
    So at least for me, thats why you won't see a big concern from this article. But if there is a wy to fix it, we definitely should.
    only sort of on this topic but i've always wondered where birds die. i mean in spring and summer i will see thousands of birds flying around and yet maybe once a year do i ever see a bird dead on the ground.  shouldn't there be a hell of a lot more dead on the ground? i wonder where they die.

    i've also wondered if most states have birds, and most birds fly south for the winter, wouldn't the southern states be overrun with birds in the winter? how can southern states handle almost all the countries birds during the cold months? weird things i think about...




  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Lerxst1992 said:
    pjhawks said:
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    I have to admit I get immediately turned off when I read stats that can no way be near to true. As JasonP said, we'd notice if 1 billion birds were flying into buildings. If his number of skyscrapers was right, that is over 4000 birds, per building per day on average. Even taking the low end of the estimate of 100 million that's still over 400 a day. I think people would notice walking over a wall of dead birds when entering the building. 
    The same article later mentions some studies put the number at 90,000 in NYC. 90,000 in our biggest city seems plausible, but honestly I'm just questioning everything about this article when they lead off with the 1B number.
    So at least for me, thats why you won't see a big concern from this article. But if there is a wy to fix it, we definitely should.
    only sort of on this topic but i've always wondered where birds die. i mean in spring and summer i will see thousands of birds flying around and yet maybe once a year do i ever see a bird dead on the ground.  shouldn't there be a hell of a lot more dead on the ground? i wonder where they die.

    i've also wondered if most states have birds, and most birds fly south for the winter, wouldn't the southern states be overrun with birds in the winter? how can southern states handle almost all the countries birds during the cold months? weird things i think about...




    You’re mostly right, I think. Most birds are likely to die by predation, or if they die from an injury/accident, like running into a window, they will probably quickly be eaten by scavengers. Birds don’t go back to a nest when sick or injured because the nest is only for laying and incubating eggs; it isn’t a place to hang out the rest of the time. Like most wild things, they may try to hide if they’re hurt, but it would probably be in a tree or bush. 
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  • F Me In The Brain
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    I feel badly for the ones that slam into our porch windows.  Happens about one time every few months.  They usually self-revive and take off.  Once in a while I have to scoop 'em.
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  • brianlux
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    pjhawks said:
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    I have to admit I get immediately turned off when I read stats that can no way be near to true. As JasonP said, we'd notice if 1 billion birds were flying into buildings. If his number of skyscrapers was right, that is over 4000 birds, per building per day on average. Even taking the low end of the estimate of 100 million that's still over 400 a day. I think people would notice walking over a wall of dead birds when entering the building. 
    The same article later mentions some studies put the number at 90,000 in NYC. 90,000 in our biggest city seems plausible, but honestly I'm just questioning everything about this article when they lead off with the 1B number.
    So at least for me, thats why you won't see a big concern from this article. But if there is a wy to fix it, we definitely should.
    only sort of on this topic but i've always wondered where birds die. i mean in spring and summer i will see thousands of birds flying around and yet maybe once a year do i ever see a bird dead on the ground.  shouldn't there be a hell of a lot more dead on the ground? i wonder where they die.

    i've also wondered if most states have birds, and most birds fly south for the winter, wouldn't the southern states be overrun with birds in the winter? how can southern states handle almost all the countries birds during the cold months? weird things i think about...




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  • cincybearcat
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    brianlux said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    pjhawks said:
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    I have to admit I get immediately turned off when I read stats that can no way be near to true. As JasonP said, we'd notice if 1 billion birds were flying into buildings. If his number of skyscrapers was right, that is over 4000 birds, per building per day on average. Even taking the low end of the estimate of 100 million that's still over 400 a day. I think people would notice walking over a wall of dead birds when entering the building. 
    The same article later mentions some studies put the number at 90,000 in NYC. 90,000 in our biggest city seems plausible, but honestly I'm just questioning everything about this article when they lead off with the 1B number.
    So at least for me, thats why you won't see a big concern from this article. But if there is a wy to fix it, we definitely should.
    only sort of on this topic but i've always wondered where birds die. i mean in spring and summer i will see thousands of birds flying around and yet maybe once a year do i ever see a bird dead on the ground.  shouldn't there be a hell of a lot more dead on the ground? i wonder where they die.

    i've also wondered if most states have birds, and most birds fly south for the winter, wouldn't the southern states be overrun with birds in the winter? how can southern states handle almost all the countries birds during the cold months? weird things i think about...




    Easy solution for those with outdoor cats is to put a small bell on their collar.
    Why aren’t natural predators ok?
    hippiemom = goodness

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