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brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,723
edited April 2019 in A Moving Train
This is just sad.  I hope this news gets around and someone comes up with a way to reduce the number of avian deaths.  This has to stop.  Birds are hugely important.  They keep ecosystems in balance.  Birds have been referred to as "the voice of nature".  Their status is a barometer to the health of the planet. 



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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,123
    "Skyscrapers are one our most important resources" - Randy Johnson
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,123
    there are 639 skyscrapers in the US.  1B dead birds = 1.564M dead birds per skyscraper ... me thinks people would start to notice that many dead birds
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,109
    Was the study called “Yes, birds are really dumb”?
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,798
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Fuck birds, this is MY planet 
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,723
    Well OK, fuck me and the birds then.
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    brianlux said:
    Well OK, fuck me and the birds then.
    You know i was being sarcastic brother lol

    Although, i may have eaten 1 million chicken wings and chicken breasts in my lifetime :)
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,723
    my2hands said:
    brianlux said:
    Well OK, fuck me and the birds then.
    You know i was being sarcastic brother lol

    Although, i may have eaten 1 million chicken wings and chicken breasts in my lifetime :)
    Yes, I know.  Yours I laughed at, the others... 


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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Hot sauce + butter + vinegar + blue cheese dipping sauce have killed at least 5 billion birds

    I blame the Anchor Bar in Buffalo, murderour fucks lol
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,109
    brianlux said:
    my2hands said:
    brianlux said:
    Well OK, fuck me and the birds then.
    You know i was being sarcastic brother lol

    Although, i may have eaten 1 million chicken wings and chicken breasts in my lifetime :)
    Yes, I know.  Yours I laughed at, the others... 


    Really Brian? 
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Give Peas A Chance…
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,723
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,827
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Approximately 13,159 birds killed by airplanes in the US in 2014, plus some deer, turtles, and an iguana. That seems manageable. 

    https://www.vox.com/2016/1/19/10789816/airplane-animal-kill
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    oftenreading said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Approximately 13,159 birds killed by airplanes in the US in 2014, plus some deer, turtles, and an iguana. That seems manageable. 

    https://www.vox.com/2016/1/19/10789816/airplane-animal-kill
    So, and do have a point other than trolling me.  And as already has been pointed out if it was 100 million birds, we'd know...
    Give Peas A Chance…
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    Remember these skyscrapers are in the city.  City dwellers care far less about the environment than country folk.  
    Give Peas A Chance…
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    They shouldn't be flying into skyscrapers at night, anytime I've spent time in the cities they leave their lights on all night...
    Give Peas A Chance…
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,798
    edited April 2019
    Meltdown99 said:
    oftenreading said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Approximately 13,159 birds killed by airplanes in the US in 2014, plus some deer, turtles, and an iguana. That seems manageable. 

    https://www.vox.com/2016/1/19/10789816/airplane-animal-kill
    So, and do have a point other than trolling me.  And as already has been pointed out if it was 100 million birds, we'd know...
    trolling you? take a fucking pill.

    you asked about planes. the post answered that specifically. they didn't offer anything about buildings.

    nor did you offer any solution.
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,827
    Meltdown99 said:
    oftenreading said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Approximately 13,159 birds killed by airplanes in the US in 2014, plus some deer, turtles, and an iguana. That seems manageable. 

    https://www.vox.com/2016/1/19/10789816/airplane-animal-kill
    So, and do have a point other than trolling me.  And as already has been pointed out if it was 100 million birds, we'd know...
    Seems like you can turn even an interesting little article that answered a question you asked into an argument. 
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited April 2019
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    Remember these skyscrapers are in the city.  City dwellers care far less about the environment than country folk.  
    That is 100% false

    City living is generally FAR greener than suburban/country living 
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,723
    my2hands said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    Remember these skyscrapers are in the city.  City dwellers care far less about the environment than country folk.  
    That is 100% false

    City living is generally FAR greener than suburban/country living 
    Generally speaking, I think this could be quite true.  Considering transportation alone: Cities have mass transit, rural areas not so much.  Rural and suburban dwellers more often drive truck and SUVs, city drivers generally either take mass transit, walk, ride bicycles or drive smaller vehicles.

    On the other hand, cities kill more birds, which is the concern.  Wouldn't it be great if some creative person developed a means of keeping birds from crashing into all that glass?!
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    Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    my2hands said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    Remember these skyscrapers are in the city.  City dwellers care far less about the environment than country folk.  
    That is 100% false

    City living is generally FAR greener than suburban/country living 

    100%?

    The Amish would beg to differ. And others. 
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,014
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    I have to admit I get immediately turned off when I read stats that can no way be near to true. As JasonP said, we'd notice if 1 billion birds were flying into buildings. If his number of skyscrapers was right, that is over 4000 birds, per building per day on average. Even taking the low end of the estimate of 100 million that's still over 400 a day. I think people would notice walking over a wall of dead birds when entering the building. 
    The same article later mentions some studies put the number at 90,000 in NYC. 90,000 in our biggest city seems plausible, but honestly I'm just questioning everything about this article when they lead off with the 1B number.
    So at least for me, thats why you won't see a big concern from this article. But if there is a wy to fix it, we definitely should.
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,723
    I did a (relatively quick- maybe someone here has done or will do a more in-depth study) search for answers to which is more environmentally friendly- urban or rural living.  Most of the article I ran across touted urban living as being greener, including one by Scientific American. On the other hand, a different article by Scientific American states this: 

    "... there are large indirect energy and material demands that are not often accounted for in calculations of urban energy use.An example is all the energy and materials it takes to get gasoline to an urban consumer, whether for a car or bus, (searching for and drilling wells, pumping the oil to a refinery that converts the oil to gasoline, and transporting the gas to a network of gas stations) and, in fact, almost everything from building materials to artificial lighting to clothing to food that is used in a city is produced elsewhere, often at high energy costs."




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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,723
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    I have to admit I get immediately turned off when I read stats that can no way be near to true. As JasonP said, we'd notice if 1 billion birds were flying into buildings. If his number of skyscrapers was right, that is over 4000 birds, per building per day on average. Even taking the low end of the estimate of 100 million that's still over 400 a day. I think people would notice walking over a wall of dead birds when entering the building. 
    The same article later mentions some studies put the number at 90,000 in NYC. 90,000 in our biggest city seems plausible, but honestly I'm just questioning everything about this article when they lead off with the 1B number.
    So at least for me, thats why you won't see a big concern from this article. But if there is a wy to fix it, we definitely should.
    One billion may or may not be far from true, I will admit that.  Maybe we can just call it "lots of birds" and talk about the fact that it's true that glass in buildings (be it anything from massive sky scrappers to houses to windshields on cars) kill A LOT OF birds.  Then we could move on to the topic of how birds are an important part of ecosystem's life cycles and see what we can do to reduce the death of birds.  They really are an important part of life. 
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    pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,202
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    I have to admit I get immediately turned off when I read stats that can no way be near to true. As JasonP said, we'd notice if 1 billion birds were flying into buildings. If his number of skyscrapers was right, that is over 4000 birds, per building per day on average. Even taking the low end of the estimate of 100 million that's still over 400 a day. I think people would notice walking over a wall of dead birds when entering the building. 
    The same article later mentions some studies put the number at 90,000 in NYC. 90,000 in our biggest city seems plausible, but honestly I'm just questioning everything about this article when they lead off with the 1B number.
    So at least for me, thats why you won't see a big concern from this article. But if there is a wy to fix it, we definitely should.
    only sort of on this topic but i've always wondered where birds die. i mean in spring and summer i will see thousands of birds flying around and yet maybe once a year do i ever see a bird dead on the ground.  shouldn't there be a hell of a lot more dead on the ground? i wonder where they die.

    i've also wondered if most states have birds, and most birds fly south for the winter, wouldn't the southern states be overrun with birds in the winter? how can southern states handle almost all the countries birds during the cold months? weird things i think about...
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,824
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    I have to admit I get immediately turned off when I read stats that can no way be near to true. As JasonP said, we'd notice if 1 billion birds were flying into buildings. If his number of skyscrapers was right, that is over 4000 birds, per building per day on average. Even taking the low end of the estimate of 100 million that's still over 400 a day. I think people would notice walking over a wall of dead birds when entering the building. 
    The same article later mentions some studies put the number at 90,000 in NYC. 90,000 in our biggest city seems plausible, but honestly I'm just questioning everything about this article when they lead off with the 1B number.
    So at least for me, thats why you won't see a big concern from this article. But if there is a wy to fix it, we definitely should.
    The Deep State hires bird-picker-uppers (at inflated government salary, of course) to hang out outside of skyscrapers and bag them.

    Yeah, this number seems huge.  I know this happens.  And I know it can be mitigated (not eliminated).  And it should be.  But with a number like that, people will focus on that being incorrect and not worry about what's actually going on.
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,723
    edited April 2019
    pjhawks said:
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    1000's of birds die flying into windmills...anything erected up in the sky will kill birds.  And is it only American skyscrapers that kill birds?  Making birds in other countries smarter than American birds.  What about planes? Automobiles?  
    Yes, sadly that's true also.  And house windows.  There are things that can be done to prevent that- bushes in front of windows, owl stickers in windows, etc. 

    What I'm suggesting is looking at solutions to the problem.  I'm not seeing any concern here- so far at least- about the situation.  That's just disappointing to me. 
    I have to admit I get immediately turned off when I read stats that can no way be near to true. As JasonP said, we'd notice if 1 billion birds were flying into buildings. If his number of skyscrapers was right, that is over 4000 birds, per building per day on average. Even taking the low end of the estimate of 100 million that's still over 400 a day. I think people would notice walking over a wall of dead birds when entering the building. 
    The same article later mentions some studies put the number at 90,000 in NYC. 90,000 in our biggest city seems plausible, but honestly I'm just questioning everything about this article when they lead off with the 1B number.
    So at least for me, thats why you won't see a big concern from this article. But if there is a wy to fix it, we definitely should.
    only sort of on this topic but i've always wondered where birds die. i mean in spring and summer i will see thousands of birds flying around and yet maybe once a year do i ever see a bird dead on the ground.  shouldn't there be a hell of a lot more dead on the ground? i wonder where they die.

    i've also wondered if most states have birds, and most birds fly south for the winter, wouldn't the southern states be overrun with birds in the winter? how can southern states handle almost all the countries birds during the cold months? weird things i think about...
    I'm no ornithological expert, but I think most birds that migrate go further south, many to central and south America. 

    The other thing to note is that there are far fewer birds today than there were even just a few hundred years ago.  The last passenger pigeon was killed on September 1, 1914.  In colonial times, they numbered (no exaggeration here) in the billions.  And that's just one species. So I'm thinking, any place today can handle the number of birds that migrate today.


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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,543
    brianlux said:
    This is just sad.  I hope this news gets around and someone comes up with a way to reduce the number of avian deaths.  This has to stop.  Birds are hugely important.  They keep ecosystems in balance.  Birds have been referred to as "the voice of nature".  Their status is a barometer to the health of the planet. 



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