New Zealand gun lobby backs gun ban (Look at that US...)

bootlegger10 said:

my2hands said:

tbergs said:

my2hands said:

Any opportunity to bash America, it's hilarious at this point lol

That's an interesting take. So, by pointing out that another country is doing something about gun violence that the US has not done, is bashing? It almost seems like you understand how ridiculous it is that the US has done nothing so you're getting a little defensive. Maybe take a minute before you take your usual opposition stance to anything on here these days. You've become captain contrarian, just to go against the flow and wave the flag. There are plenty of reasons to point out pathetic inaction (or bashing as you have called it) in this country and gun violence leads the way, deservedly so.

It's a comment on the same posters doing nothing but bashing America over and over and over and over.... look at the 2nd post, why link to that thread? This was a thread meant to just poke at America again.... there are other threads this could go into... so i called it out... find a new schtick... 

Why are so many non-americans on this site consumed and obsessed with America and Americans, and feel the need to constantly point out it's flaws? It's fucking old, and i'm going to continue to voice my problem with it. I have no problem with people actually living here doing it, but people that live in other countrues/continents CONSTANTLY talking shit? If we suck so bad,  next time PJ tours, stay home.

It would be different if American posters constantly researched flaws in Sweden & Canada and harped on them incessantly, but guess what, that shit doesnt happen

Some of you are obsessed with America and know more about it than your own shitty country lol

Because America has its hands in all the worlds' business.  I think when it comes to the US interfering in elections the score is US - 2,500;  rest of world - 30

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bootlegger10 said:

my2hands said:

tbergs said:

my2hands said:

Any opportunity to bash America, it's hilarious at this point lol

That's an interesting take. So, by pointing out that another country is doing something about gun violence that the US has not done, is bashing? It almost seems like you understand how ridiculous it is that the US has done nothing so you're getting a little defensive. Maybe take a minute before you take your usual opposition stance to anything on here these days. You've become captain contrarian, just to go against the flow and wave the flag. There are plenty of reasons to point out pathetic inaction (or bashing as you have called it) in this country and gun violence leads the way, deservedly so.

It's a comment on the same posters doing nothing but bashing America over and over and over and over.... look at the 2nd post, why link to that thread? This was a thread meant to just poke at America again.... there are other threads this could go into... so i called it out... find a new schtick... 

Why are so many non-americans on this site consumed and obsessed with America and Americans, and feel the need to constantly point out it's flaws? It's fucking old, and i'm going to continue to voice my problem with it. I have no problem with people actually living here doing it, but people that live in other countrues/continents CONSTANTLY talking shit? If we suck so bad,  next time PJ tours, stay home.

It would be different if American posters constantly researched flaws in Sweden & Canada and harped on them incessantly, but guess what, that shit doesnt happen

Some of you are obsessed with America and know more about it than your own shitty country lol

Because America has its hands in all the worlds' business.  I think when it comes to the US interfering in elections the score is US - 2,500;  rest of world - 30

But, but, but the Russians meddled in our elections.  The US is the perfect "wow is me" country.  

benjs said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

You are not hamstrung by the NRA, you are hamstrung by a limped dick system that places lobbying above decency, that the same reason you are held hostage by the insurance industry when it comes to health care.  Politicians on both sides of the aisle will do nothing to change the system, they like their pockets being lined.

It's all part of the same thing, but in this case I hold the NRA responsible for the majority of the strangle hold.

It's part of the same system, but lawmakers are the system designers, not the NRA. If the NRA ceased to exist, there'd be a sweet little niche for the next group to try to corrupt and make some coin on the side (a corruption vacuum). Alternatively, modifying the system could prevent these realities outright. 

All true, Ben.  I suppose the NRA isn't technically responsible for lack of better firearm laws but their influence is HUGE.  I'm also on my monthly rag regarding the NRA as I have to pass the local NRA meeting sign that routinely gets posted on a road near my house.

New Zealand's response does make the US look apathetic. Let's get serious.

I'd agree that there is a lot of US bashing on the MT, but in this particular instance... the comparison makes the US look relatively backwards.

The big thing is America, like NZ and the rest of the world, is run by human beings. Who on occasion have a tendency to do things absolutely arseways at times. We're all different so our idiosyncrasies get made fun of by the rest of the world. Though since the US is the most powerful country in the world and its media the most pervasive the rest of the world are way more aware of American foibles than the other way around. Hell we had only one NZ stereotype in this thread (the usual suspects being LOTR, sheep and thinking rugby is far more important than it actually is (though the national team is the best team in world sport so I get it coming from a small place-we're ok with being insignificant but goodness help the person who mocks or screws up one of the few reasons we are known around the world).

As for the law itself, well we're giving change a go. Think that rankles with people who want action taken in America but nothing seems to get done as shootings still happen. I'd like to see action taken from all angles, so that every one has their pet reason why they're one side or the other compromised for the greater good. And if we're not happy with it down the track, we can change it. One of the benefits of not having a written constitution. But either way we're in the public eye for once, and I can't help but be impressed with our conduct and swift action regardless of whether or not I agree with every part of the law changes.

my2hands said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

my2hands said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

JT167846 said:

The big thing is America, like NZ and the rest of the world, is run by human beings. Who on occasion have a tendency to do things absolutely arseways at times. We're all different so our idiosyncrasies get made fun of by the rest of the world. Though since the US is the most powerful country in the world and its media the most pervasive the rest of the world are way more aware of American foibles than the other way around. Hell we had only one NZ stereotype in this thread (the usual suspects being LOTR, sheep and thinking rugby is far more important than it actually is (though the national team is the best team in world sport so I get it coming from a small place-we're ok with being insignificant but goodness help the person who mocks or screws up one of the few reasons we are known around the world).

As for the law itself, well we're giving change a go. Think that rankles with people who want action taken in America but nothing seems to get done as shootings still happen. I'd like to see action taken from all angles, so that every one has their pet reason why they're one side or the other compromised for the greater good. And if we're not happy with it down the track, we can change it. One of the benefits of not having a written constitution. But either way we're in the public eye for once, and I can't help but be impressed with our conduct and swift action regardless of whether or not I agree with every part of the law changes.

You were presented with a crisis. You tackled the crisis. You didn't deflect from the crisis. You made meaningful changes with the best intentions. You displayed your national values. Your country can feel good getting behind such changes that it knew it had to make.

We are all very impressed with your eagerness to be progressive. In a day when so many countries are almost reverting... it's refreshing.

Now try it with 350,000,000 people

lame

Reality 

No.

The population size isn't the stumbling block. It's the unwillingness to embrace a change effort that keeps the US from advancing in this area.

So your original lame comment should have read: Now try it with a bunch of people that value shootin' shit over lives (you know... assume the risk for the reward). 

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

my2hands said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

my2hands said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

JT167846 said:

The big thing is America, like NZ and the rest of the world, is run by human beings. Who on occasion have a tendency to do things absolutely arseways at times. We're all different so our idiosyncrasies get made fun of by the rest of the world. Though since the US is the most powerful country in the world and its media the most pervasive the rest of the world are way more aware of American foibles than the other way around. Hell we had only one NZ stereotype in this thread (the usual suspects being LOTR, sheep and thinking rugby is far more important than it actually is (though the national team is the best team in world sport so I get it coming from a small place-we're ok with being insignificant but goodness help the person who mocks or screws up one of the few reasons we are known around the world).

As for the law itself, well we're giving change a go. Think that rankles with people who want action taken in America but nothing seems to get done as shootings still happen. I'd like to see action taken from all angles, so that every one has their pet reason why they're one side or the other compromised for the greater good. And if we're not happy with it down the track, we can change it. One of the benefits of not having a written constitution. But either way we're in the public eye for once, and I can't help but be impressed with our conduct and swift action regardless of whether or not I agree with every part of the law changes.

You were presented with a crisis. You tackled the crisis. You didn't deflect from the crisis. You made meaningful changes with the best intentions. You displayed your national values. Your country can feel good getting behind such changes that it knew it had to make.

We are all very impressed with your eagerness to be progressive. In a day when so many countries are almost reverting... it's refreshing.

Now try it with 350,000,000 people

lame

Reality 

No.

The population size isn't the stumbling block. It's the unwillingness to embrace a change effort that keeps the US from advancing in this area.

So your original lame comment should have read: Now try it with a bunch of people that value shootin' shit over lives (you know... assume the risk for the reward).